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Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
06-22-2017, 03:10 AM
Do anyone have any ideas when Krang in the 1987-1996 series first came to Earth? This fansite has a fanfic called "The Exile of Krang" which mentions 1987.

http://www.thetechnodrome.com/fanfics/eok/eok.shtml

But no way. If Hamato Yoshi left Japan in let's say the late-1960's or early-1970's, Shredder and Krang probably teamed up by the early-1970's, and the turtles probably mutating as new-born (seing them mutate in "Turtle Tracks" is just a flashback). So Krang must have came on Earth at least by the late-1960's or early-1970's, if not earlier.

The episode "Atlantis Awakes" says Merdude was 200 years old, which means some mutagen was on Earth by the 1790's (anyway, strange mutagen making him live that long).

But on the other hand, Krang and other of his species teleported an Impervium stone to Earth in a flashback-scene. They, or some other species in Dimension X earlier, might have don the same to the mutagen.

FredWolfLeonardo
06-22-2017, 03:46 AM
I always presumed he came to earth in late 1987 at around the same time as the first season aired since alot of episodes say they take place in the year they aired, for e.g. the episode "Once upon Time machine ", which was aired in 1991, notes its present time as 1991.

I don't think there would've been too much time passing between Krang being banished to earth and him meeting Shredder, less than a year before the events of the first season begin.

Also, I don't see why the flashback in Turtle Tracks doesn't prove that the turtles were grown when they mutated. One of the unique things about the 1987 series was that Splinter was more of a sensei than a father to the turtles, and it would make sense for him to be like that if the turtles were already teenagers when mutated rather than babies.

Does the Atlantis Awakes state merdude was a mutant? I haven't seen the episode in quite a while, but I don't recall anyone stating that the creatures of Atlantis were mutants. I just assumed they were fantasy creatures in the show like Hokum Hare and Mr. Ogg.

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
06-22-2017, 04:34 AM
Does the Atlantis Awakes state merdude was a mutant? I haven't seen the episode in quite a while, but I don't recall anyone stating that the creatures of Atlantis were mutants. I just assumed they were fantasy creatures in the show like Hokum Hare and Mr. Ogg.

Haven't seen it for a while, just read it a Turtlepedia.

neatoman
06-22-2017, 08:32 AM
I guess that's another thing David Wise was too lazy think of, just like how the training period for the Turtles can't match up with Shredder's plans for the Technodrome and Hamato Yoshi's immediate retreat into the sewers.

If you want an answer, long enough to contact Shredder but not so long that his troops would disband. Though given that we're talking about aliens, alternate dimensions and the odd choice of picking a crime lord to build an android body instead of a scientist, who knows how long that is?

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
06-22-2017, 08:45 AM
It seems Krang at least was very old compared to Earth-humans.

neatoman
06-22-2017, 09:16 AM
It seems Krang at least was very old compared to Earth-humans.

Based on what? Is there an obscure line where claimed to have met cowboys or something?

pferreira
06-22-2017, 09:18 AM
Do anyone have any ideas when Krang in the 1987-1996 series first came to Earth? What I would like to find out is how long did it take Shredder to meet Krang between him arriving in the USA and their meeting. Was The Foot already causing problems in New York before Krang showed up?

Also trans-dimensional portals are a wonderful thing. :lol:

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
06-22-2017, 09:45 AM
What I would like to find out is how long did it take Shredder to meet Krang between him arriving in the USA and their meeting. Was The Foot already causing problems in New York before Krang showed up?

Also trans-dimensional portals are a wonderful thing. :lol:

There was no Foot in New York City in the original series, just Shredder and his robots. However, in Japan Shredder led human Foot which makes sense because he hadn't met Krang then.

pferreira
06-29-2017, 08:37 AM
There was no Foot in New York City in the original series, just Shredder and his robots. However, in Japan Shredder led human Foot which makes sense because he hadn't met Krang then.I got them confused, that what I meant. Let me rephrase that question:

I would like to find out is how long did it take Shredder to meet Krang between him arriving in the USA and their meeting. Was The Foot already causing problems in Japan before Krang showed up?

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
06-29-2017, 03:05 PM
Based on what? Is there an obscure line where claimed to have met cowboys or something?

I guess it was Shreeka who said he abandoned her eons ago. I know it can just mean a long time, but you don't call even 100 Earth-years an eon (even if he probably isn't even millions of Earth-years old).

MsMarvelDuckie
06-29-2017, 08:34 PM
That might have just been a figure of speech. As in "it was AGES ago" meaning simply a long time.

Then again, Krang seems to have been on Earth for quite a while. Long enough for Shredder to have helped build the Technodrome and start using Krang's tech to build his Foot-bots and using them to commit crimes in New York. Soba few years at least.

Panther10
07-03-2017, 11:39 AM
I believe it happened much earlier than Yoshi's exile to America. In my view it seems more likely that Krang was somehow involved with Oroku Saki's eventual coup d'etat of the foot clan. After years of unsuccessful attempts at overthrowing and undermining Hamato Yoshi on his own, Either or Krang (or Saki) agreed to offer their services in exchange for cementing Saki into becoming the de facto leader of the foot clan and eventually, using the clan and its resources to aid Krang in the eventual conquest of Earth.

pferreira
07-06-2017, 02:56 PM
Then again, Krang seems to have been on Earth for quite a while. Long enough for Shredder to have helped build the Technodrome and start using Krang's tech to build his Foot-bots and using them to commit crimes in New York.I kind of doubt Shredder helped Krang build the Technodrome, Krang pretty much stole it by that point didn't he? Shredder was more a companion or passenger in the early days.

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
07-06-2017, 03:08 PM
That might have just been a figure of speech. As in "it was AGES ago" meaning simply a long time.

Then again, Krang seems to have been on Earth for quite a while. Long enough for Shredder to have helped build the Technodrome and start using Krang's tech to build his Foot-bots and using them to commit crimes in New York. Soba few years at least.

I don't think that's how it intended to be, since Splinter was very confused about Shredder suddenly getting so much technology compared to how it was in Japan.

However, I also think Krang came to Earth around that time or earlier. But not interacting with Shredder until later.

Prowler
05-12-2018, 10:57 PM
Man, how Krang and Shredder met has always been something I wanted to know about this series. I've been wondering about it since 1996 or so.

Shredder mentioned he gained "advanced technology" when he got to USA only, so it seems obvious to me he met Krang in USA. Now, how Shredder got to USA and ran into Krang, who knows. Also, I know Shredder was determined to kill Yoshi, but hwy not just send a few henchmen or something? Surely Shredder was too busy being the leader of the Foot Clan(now a criminal organisation) in Japan to just go looking for Yoshi in USA?Ah good ol' Fred Wolf inconsistencies.

Another thing I've always wondered was Krang's life as ruler of Dimension X. What was it like.

Utrommaniac
05-12-2018, 11:06 PM
I've wondered that myself.

Whatever way it was, Shredder would probably have more appropriately to Krang than in the PD film :lol: .

Even if it was just "terrified fascination" than the most appropriate "sheer terror"

Prowler
05-12-2018, 11:12 PM
I've wondered that myself.

Whatever way it was, Shredder would probably have more appropriately to Krang than in the PD film :lol: .

Even if it was just "terrified fascination" than the most appropriate "sheer terror"

You could tell Shredder didn't fully trust Krang at first. He even told him so and hesitated in giving him a body. Only reason Krang granted him advanced technology was because Shredder had promised him a body in exchange. Funny thing is, Shredder was WAY more willing to betray Krang than the other way around.

Also, I wonder why Krang stopped calling Shredder"Saki" after the first season. I loved that **** :lol:

Utrommaniac
05-12-2018, 11:15 PM
Yeah, that's a pretty good observation. Probably because someone on the writing staff forgot how Japanese naming conventions work :ohwell:

Prowler
05-12-2018, 11:23 PM
Yeah, that's a pretty good observation. Probably because someone on the writing staff forgot how Japanese naming conventions work :ohwell:

Forgot? Did they even know? I think people who worked on this show knew as much about Japan as Eastman and Laird did. :P

Utrommaniac
05-12-2018, 11:30 PM
True. As far as I could tell, E&L at least knew the family name came first.

Though, if Krang was addressing Shredder on a "personal name" basis in the first season, someone had to know and then the ball got dropped.

Prowler
05-12-2018, 11:35 PM
True. As far as I could tell, E&L at least knew the family name came first.

Though, if Krang was addressing Shredder on a "personal name" basis in the first season, someone had to know and then the ball got dropped.

Or maybe they felt the joke would get old and annoying fast if Krang just kept calling him "Saki" in every episode.

I loved how Shredder's mother called him Oroku and was like "right..." when he said "mom, I am the Shredder!" :lol:

MsMarvelDuckie
05-13-2018, 12:38 PM
I kind of doubt Shredder helped Krang build the Technodrome, Krang pretty much stole it by that point didn't he? Shredder was more a companion or passenger in the early days.


Well, he did build the body for him, and the Foot bots were "his" as well. So he clearly had some sort of knowledge of technology and engineering, in addition to being a ninja. IIRC, he had some chemistry training, too. So it's not impossible that he might have helped build the Technodrome itself after he met Krang. He didn't have access to such tech in Japan, so he must have met Krang sometime after coming to America. (But probably before he learned Yoshi was in NYC.) Krang gave him access to Dimension X technology, but that doesn't mean he didnt help physically build some of it- or probably most of it, given Krang's lack of a body/hands.



I don't think that's how it intended to be, since Splinter was very confused about Shredder suddenly getting so much technology compared to how it was in Japan.

However, I also think Krang came to Earth around that time or earlier. But not interacting with Shredder until later.


That's exactly the point though. Shredder didn't have it in Japan, but once he came to the US, he suddenly had all that new tech, which seems to indicate that that was where he met Krang- presumably before he even discovered Yoshi was living in the NY sewers. In any case, it makes more sense than meeting in Japan, as there is absolutely no mention of the Technodrome ever having been there. Splinter was confused because Shredder didn't have that kind of power when he had last seen him. So it must have been several years, at least.