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CyberCubed
06-23-2017, 01:49 PM
As we all know, Hokum Hare came from a "Fairy Tale" dimension, as he was based on an easter rabbit. In that same episode we had Jack and the Giant from the beanstalk and other fairy tale creatures. Had Hokum not stuck around for "Once upon a time machine" he would just be a one-off fairy tale character.

So does he count as a TMNT character? Or is he just a fairy tale creature?

FredWolfLeonardo
06-23-2017, 01:53 PM
I see him as a tmnt character, but in the same way that I would see Merlin from the European vacation as a tmnt character. They count because they appeared in a tmnt incarnation, but are not ideas exclusive to tmnt like the turtles, splinter, shredder etc.

I don't dislike hokum, but I think Usagi was much better done in his 2 episodes and if Hokum was to be his own character, then I would've been interested in seeing him done as a parody of Bugs Bunny or something like that.

neatoman
06-23-2017, 01:57 PM
Was he created for TMNT and has he ever been associated with anything else? Here's my answers:

Yes and Yes, yeah he's just in more stuff.
Yes and no, he certainly is without a doubt.
No and yes, he is in the sense Santa Claus is a Superman character.
No and no, he is but he wasn't intended to be one.

Regardless of which, in TMNT means TMNT character.

Powder
06-23-2017, 02:56 PM
Regardless of which, in TMNT means TMNT character.

That's my logic.

Which means Batman, Savage Dragon, & a host of others are technically TMNT characters. :)

ToTheNines
06-23-2017, 03:23 PM
Thor is a Marvel character, in addition to being a Norse god, no?

MsMarvelDuckie
06-23-2017, 05:22 PM
Technically yes but ONLY that "version" of Thor. Just as Aries is both a Marvel and DC character in additiin to being a Greek god. They are just different incarnations of him, each unique to the universe they are used in. Aries in DC is typically a villain. Marvel's version is actually an Avenger! A hard-a**ed and violent hero but one of the "good guys" nonetheless. Thus Usagi is "technically" a TMNT character by virtue of appearing with rhem but is also his own thing. So Hokum certainly qualifies as well since he has never appeared elsewhere.

MikeandRaph87
06-23-2017, 06:26 PM
Yes; of course he is. He may have origin as the hare of tortise in the hare, but that dies not nake him not a TMNT one. I mean are Ares and Circe not Wonder Woman villains or to a greater extent not DC characters?

I bet a large percentage of people think of Usagi as a TMNT character. I also bet like myself despite learning that Usagi was the lead character of his own comic universe, struggle to see him as something other than an ally of the Turtles.

Prowler
06-23-2017, 09:02 PM
Was he created for TMNT and has he ever been associated with anything else? Here's my answers:

Yes and Yes, yeah he's just in more stuff.
Yes and no, he certainly is without a doubt.
No and yes, he is in the sense Santa Claus is a Superman character.
No and no, he is but he wasn't intended to be one.

Regardless of which, in TMNT means TMNT character.

Thor is a Marvel character, in addition to being a Norse god, no?

Exactly. Those characters might have existed for ages, but the fact is, the TMNT and Marvel gave them different interpretations to the point of them basically being original creations by them. Also, no one has copyrights over the Easter Bunny or norse deities. So who'd ever sue them? :lol:

Coola Yagami
06-23-2017, 09:17 PM
Exactly. Those characters might have existed for ages, but the fact is, the TMNT and Marvel gave them different interpretations to the point of them basically being original creations by them. Also, no one has copyrights over the Easter Bunny or norse deities. So who'd ever sue them? :lol:

Oh, I'm sure that Simpsons lawyer guy will find a way, you know, the one usually hired by Mr. Burns.

sdp
06-23-2017, 09:56 PM
I'm surprised Santa doesn't exist for real in any TMNT universe, he's usually real in a lot of kids properties like Power Rangers, Pokemon and whatnot

TurtleTitan97
06-23-2017, 09:58 PM
I'm surprised Santa doesn't exist for real in any TMNT universe, he's usually real in a lot of kids properties like Power Rangers, Pokemon and whatnot

Santa Claus appeared in Pokémon??? :-?

Powder
06-23-2017, 10:17 PM
Multiple times, in fact!

CyberCubed
06-24-2017, 02:20 AM
Multiple times, in fact!

Only twice, actually, and his second was only a cameo:

https://www.serebii.net/anime/characters/santa.shtml

He hasn't appeared since the Johto era more than 17 years ago back in 2001.

And go figure, this is my 30,000th post on the drome and it's about Santa Claus appearing in Pokemon of all things.

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
06-24-2017, 03:15 AM
Not more than John H. Watson, Sherlock Holmes and James Moriaty, or Arthur, Guinevere and Merlin.

oldmanwinters
06-24-2017, 08:24 PM
I am curious as which point some random one-off character introduced in the course of a franchise becomes a new intellectual property. When Laird sold to Nickelodeon, we wondered which characters were considered true TMNT characters (http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=28850) and which characters might not necessarily belong to the franchise.

Take the original "Pigeon Peter" who was just a generic pigeon from a random episode of the Fred Wolf cartoon, but in the last couple of years, he's become so well established as his own mutant that it wouldn't surprise if he got his own action figure eventually. Hokum Hare might have been a generic man-bunny like dozens of other characters, but does he become copyright-protected if IDW or Nick re-invents him?

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
06-25-2017, 12:06 PM
Hokum Hare was based on the the hare form the fairytale "The turtle and the hare", which he was in the fairytale reality. It was when he came to Earth he acted like the Easter Bunny.

Prowler
06-25-2017, 01:23 PM
Oh, I'm sure that Simpsons lawyer guy will find a way, you know, the one usually hired by Mr. Burns.
I haven't watched The Simpsons in years, so who was that again? Lionel Hutz? Isn't he incompetent as hell? basically the Nick Riviera of lawyers?

Coola Yagami
06-25-2017, 09:15 PM
I haven't watched The Simpsons in years, so who was that again? Lionel Hutz? Isn't he incompetent as hell? basically the Nick Riviera of lawyers?

No, it's the other one. The 'evil' one that is usually one of Mr. Burns' lawyers. He has glasses and blue hair, and I'm not sure if he was ever given a name.

DarkFell
06-25-2017, 09:17 PM
I haven't watched The Simpsons in years, so who was that again? Lionel Hutz? Isn't he incompetent as hell? basically the Nick Riviera of lawyers?
Nope. That was actually the Blue Haired Lawyer. One of him could scare ten Lionel Hutz'es and ten Nick Riviera's.
https://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/simpsons/images/e/ef/Blue_Haired_Lawyer.png/revision/latest?cb=20100727224053

Coola Yagami
06-25-2017, 09:28 PM
Nope. That was actually the Blue Haired Lawyer. One of him could scare ten Lionel Hutz'es and ten Nick Riviera's.
https://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/simpsons/images/e/ef/Blue_Haired_Lawyer.png/revision/latest?cb=20100727224053

Yep, that dude. That's the guy you want in your corner if you ever go to court in the Simpsons world, unless of course it's against the Simpsons themselves (main character plot armor and all that). He must charge a lot for his services.

Ninjinister
06-28-2017, 12:02 AM
I'm surprised Santa doesn't exist for real in any TMNT universe, he's usually real in a lot of kids properties like Power Rangers, Pokemon and whatnot

Um...

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-sYLJe3q-40k/VJxcljZwFTI/AAAAAAAAPD8/XT8xva5Cqzg/s1600/win2.png

CyberCubed
06-28-2017, 02:01 AM
What on earth is that from? I've never seen it before, is it from some UK comic?

Ninjinister
06-28-2017, 02:38 AM
What on earth is that from? I've never seen it before, is it from some UK comic?

http://tmntentity.blogspot.com/2014/12/tmnt-magazine-welsh-11.html

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
06-28-2017, 07:55 AM
I'm surprised Santa doesn't exist for real in any TMNT universe

If more TMNT had dealt with Christmas, maybe that would've been the case.

FredWolfLeonardo
06-28-2017, 01:22 PM
Don't forget Santa appearing in "We wish you a turtle Christmas" as Michealangalo sings the opera.

ABrown
06-28-2017, 01:41 PM
He's absolutely a character. I mean even if Santa Claus were to appear in one of the shows, he would still count as a character on that series.

pferreira
06-29-2017, 09:10 AM
So does he count as a TMNT character? Or is he just a fairy tale creature?I would say since Hokum is an interpretation of a story character than yes he is a TMNT character. I always liked him.

What on earth is that from? I've never seen it before, is it from some UK comic?Oh yes, American fans sure were missing out. I bet you're jealous now aren't you. :lol:

oldmanwinters
06-29-2017, 12:49 PM
A few years back, Ross May imagined what a Fred Wolf Christmas episode might have been like, and it included appearances by Tora from the video game and Santa Claus:
http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showpost.php?p=1188563&postcount=36