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sdp
06-23-2017, 08:24 PM
A public statement to be able to achieve my goal and be able to look back a year from now at how successful or unsuccessful I was at it and hopefully find someone who is interested in joining in as well as that would be much helpful.

I've tried learning French a few times, first in High School, not because I wanted but because I already knew Spanish and Japanese wasn't offered. :lol: Studied for 3 years left it for a few years and when I got back to University I retook it for a year and a half only to leave it again for Chinese which was a failure and just recently picked it up about a year ago. But yeah, learning a language needs more than just two classes a week, you need more dedication to it. If you want more details on this I wrote about it on my blog. (http://miscrave.com/articles/french-in-a-year/)


But yeah, this time I want to really dedicate to learning the language and be able to use it. Any help would be appreciated and again even better if someone wants to join. I'll be continuing my classes at University this semester but that's not enough practice as I'm still rather lacking in all 4 skills (reading/listening/writing/speaking) so yeah I'm finding extra content for listening like podcasts (News in Slow French), websites (various;Reddit/r/French), youtube channels, and apps (duolingo, memrise, others). I'd really like to be able to have a decent level of communication in a year. Let's see how this goes, wish me luck.

ToTheNines
06-23-2017, 08:51 PM
Le **** you.

Prowler
06-23-2017, 08:58 PM
I don't think you can achieve fluency in a foreign language in a year only.

Subscribe to youtube channels of French vloggers, gamers and French media outlets such as France 24 and TV5 Monde.

I've been learning German on my own for some years now, and sometimes get a bit rusty. Had French from 7th to 9th grade but that was a long time ago. Perhaps I'll try to learn it again someday but I'd do it more to complete the trifecta of the most useful European languages(English, French and German) than for the enjoyment of it. I find it to be a quite overrated language, but not as bad as Spanish or Italian, two languages that actually annoy me to no end. Been entertaining the idea of learning Russian lately but am yet to pull the trigger.

Good luck.

MsMarvelDuckie
06-23-2017, 09:22 PM
Ego scio parva Latina. Three years in high school. I used to be quite fluent but I have gotten rather rusty over the years. But it HAS helped me to understand some Spanish, French, and Italian.

Prowler
06-23-2017, 09:35 PM
Ego scio parva Latina. Three years in high school. I used to be quite fluent but I have gotten rather rusty over the years. But it HAS helped me to understand some Spanish, French, and Italian.
I had Latin for about 2 weeks in 10th grade before I dropped it. For some reason I thought it'd be cool and I blame my love for Astérix for picking that dead language up. But it's only interesting to help you learn the meanings of famous sayings such as E Pluribus Unum, Mens Sana in Corpore Sano, Art e Labor and Alea Jacta Est, imo.

sdp
06-23-2017, 09:39 PM
I don't think you can achieve fluency in a foreign language in a year only.

Good luck.

Thanks!

Well, I'm not starting from 0, I just want the next 364 days to get me to a higher level than all my prior attempts have. As far as my expectations, I would like it if I can achieve a B1 level and I think that's definitely possible but we'll see. Knowing English and Spanish also helps tremendously, it'll be tough as this will also be my last year at University so I have to finish off but I'll try my best.

MsMarvelDuckie
06-23-2017, 10:53 PM
I had Latin for about 2 weeks in 10th grade before I dropped it. For some reason I thought it'd be cool and I blame my love for Astérix for picking that dead language up. But it's only interesting to help you learn the meanings of famous sayings such as E Pluribus Unum, Mens Sana in Corpore Sano, Art e Labor and Alea Jacta Est, imo.

Not neccessarily. It is also the root of all the aforementioned languages, so if one knows the root word of a word spoken or written in French for example, one can infer what the French word means. There are some variances of course but you'd be surprised how much Spanish I've picked up just by listening and then picking out the Latin root. Plus two weeks is hardly enough time to get a real feel for any language. I spent three years getting to know it and was actually to the point where I could write a story in it or translate full stories from it. One in particular I found interesting was a Roman werewolf tale! It's also useful for knowing certain terms in science (science- which comes from the Latin scio, literally "to know"!) and medicine. I also learned a lot of history and ancient culture and mythology in that class too.

turtle1237
06-23-2017, 11:32 PM
I am part French myself, from a noble who move to America to well not get his head chop off during the great terror. Ending his days as a fur trader.

sadly I never did learn French myself. Than my bloodline really got mix up with English and Scottish later on in the 1800's.

DestronMirage22
06-23-2017, 11:52 PM
A good language to learn. I've always wanted to learn Franch. I hope you can reach your goals. :)

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
06-24-2017, 06:07 AM
Earth should be made an English only-speaking planet.

Splinter the boss
06-24-2017, 06:20 AM
Earth should be made an English only-speaking planet.
Where is the fun in that? I myself would like to learn japanese.

TurtleTitan97
06-24-2017, 07:33 AM
Earth should be made an English only-speaking planet.

That's a pretty ridiculous statement to make.

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
06-24-2017, 08:36 AM
Where is the fun in that? I myself would like to learn japanese.

More practival. When it comes to Japan, I think it's the traditional culture and history of Japan that's more fascinating, not so much the language of Japanese.

plastroncafe
06-24-2017, 09:42 AM
I'm fairly certain the Japanese people would agree with you on that.

I don't know another language, but I am a student of human anatomy...which is kind of it's own language.

I think it's more than possible to become fluent in a foreign language in a year if one is immersed in it. So my suggestion would be to find someone who speaks the language fluently and talk with them daily if possible.

You may want to check out your local library. A lot of them have English as a Second Language groups who might just have some native French speakers looking to trade their language skills for yours.

Good luck!
And keep us posted on your progress!

sdp
06-24-2017, 02:38 PM
I am part French myself,
sadly I never did learn French myself.
A good language to learn. I've always wanted to learn Franch. I hope you can reach your goals. :)
Thanks, but both of you if you really want to, it's easier than ever to learn a language, well when it comes to finding material and tools to do it.


I think it's more than possible to become fluent in a foreign language in a year if one is immersed in it. So my suggestion would be to find someone who speaks the language fluently and talk with them daily if possible.

You may want to check out your local library. A lot of them have English as a Second Language groups who might just have some native French speakers looking to trade their language skills for yours.

Good luck!
And keep us posted on your progress!

Well I'm not living in the US so finding French speakers is even more difficult but I do have a friend who has a higher level than mine and I try to practice as much as I can speaking, immersion is indeed key but difficult to do in another country.

But thanks and I do intend on posting updates at least monthly, or bi monthly here, depending on the interest, in my blog It'll be more frequently since no one can tell me to shut up there. :lol:

Prowler
06-24-2017, 04:03 PM
That's a pretty ridiculous statement to make.
Not to mention against human nature as well. It's not possible for there to e only one language and culture in this world. It just isn't. Humans are tribal.

And besides, if you want the world to speak one language only, at least let it be your own. Why did Original TMNT Fan pick English and not Swedish? Do you not like your native language or something?

CyberCubed
06-25-2017, 12:12 PM
For me, there's no real incentive to learn another language. I live in the U.S., so while it would be nice to understand spanish since so many people speak it here, it's not really something I have to spend time investing in. You can never speak a foreign language that fluently either unless you were very young growing up in a bilingual household.

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
06-25-2017, 12:22 PM
Not to mention against human nature as well. It's not possible for there to e only one language and culture in this world. It just isn't. Humans are tribal.

And besides, if you want the world to speak one language only, at least let it be your own. Why did Original TMNT Fan pick English and not Swedish? Do you not like your native language or something?

In the near future, people will form culture with the Internet, independent from countries and borders, and English is the ultimate language for that. Also, you can't force all Earth to speak Swedish, unless you threat with atomic bombs.

TurtleTitan97
06-25-2017, 12:53 PM
In the near future, people will form culture with the Internet, independent from countries and borders, and English is the ultimate language for that. Also, you can't force all Earth to speak Swedish, unless you threat with atomic bombs.

That has to be the most ignorant statement I've ever heard.

https://m.popkey.co/d267da/Ve3zJ.gif

Prowler
06-25-2017, 01:17 PM
In the near future, people will form culture with the Internet, independent from countries and borders, and English is the ultimate language for that. Also, you can't force all Earth to speak Swedish, unless you threat with atomic bombs.
...and how will that kill every language that isn't English? Also, what makes you think that in 50-100 years the world landscape won't be very different and that English won't lose some power to other languages?

And you cannot force people to adopt English as their mother tongue without dropping some bombs n them either... hell if you drop atomic bombs on people they won't learn any language since they'll just perish instantly.

Independent from borders? Yeah because that clearly will happen :lol:

Cure
06-25-2017, 01:18 PM
I dunno, people have started using retarded memes and internet slang in their day to day vernacular now, unfortunately.

Prowler
06-25-2017, 01:22 PM
I dunno, people have started using retarded memes and internet slang in their day to day vernacular now, unfortunately.
Well yeah, that is true, but that doesn't mean English is killing foreign languages or that borders and different cultures will stop existing as Original TMNT Fan implied they will. In fact, memes get translated to different languages.

plastroncafe
06-25-2017, 01:33 PM
Yeah, considering English is third for the Most Spoken Language on Earth, I don't think it's likely to happen.

Hey Cubed, want some extra job security? Learn Chinese.

Any severely dyslexic in English might also be helped by picking up Chinese, as the brain might do better with a different alphabet.

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
06-26-2017, 04:05 AM
No force. I hear people adding more and more English when speaking Sweden. Maybe at least Sweden will become an English-speaking country in the future.

BubblyShell22
06-26-2017, 09:41 AM
Good luck on learning French, sdp. I took Spanish in high school and college as well as ASL for an elective and that was pretty interesting to say the least. Learned some French when watching the Canadian version of Sesame Street back in the day because we picked up CBC on our satellite so that was fun.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
06-26-2017, 09:57 AM
In the tech world, a lot of Chinese employees who work with Americans use Americanized names to make it easier to work with us.

I've been predicting that in another decade or two, that trend will have slowly reversed and all of us Americans will have Chinese names to make it easier to work with us.

Also, OP can totally learn French in one year. Be incredibly fluent, possibly not... but go for it!

sdp
02-11-2018, 01:03 AM
Decided to give an update on how my project is doing since it's been half a year and well, it's not doing great.

I really want this and thought some public pressure if I posted it on a few online outlets it would motivate me but it just isn't the best year for this as it was also my last year in University and pressure was mounting. I was demotivated because of my lack of time to practice and that somehow I was practicing less and less than even before my 1 year goal but I was able to make it work.

I now have less pressure, I'm still comitted to learning but not wanting to become say a B2 level by the end of my goal as it was my original goal eveni f I do aim to get better.

I'm still blogging every friday something french related, you can check it out here whether it's reviews of apps, my progress or more commonly songs and french media reviews:
https://miscrave.com/french/


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Speaking two languages really makes me feel like I know so many different worlds which you really can't only knowing one so it's hard for me to understand how someone can only live speaking one, I really hope to be able to get that third one in.

Prowler
02-11-2018, 04:41 AM
When you live in a small country with a not very commonly spoken language outside it, you need to learn a foreign language or two.

In Europe it's mostly the major countries such as Germany, Spain, Italy and France that dub and translate everything. They pretty much just watch tv all day in their language.

CyberCubed
02-11-2018, 11:43 AM
Learning a new language as an adult is hard, and honestly not worth the time.

I only know english. I would like to speak spanish fluently but it's too late now so I don't care. Learning a second language is just too time consuming and as you can tell sdp, is giving you more trouble than its worth.

newfan
02-11-2018, 11:54 AM
If you have the time and are interested enough then it's never to late to learn something new, with something like this though it helps if you will have the opportunity to use it after, otherwise unless you keep making time to practice it would just go again.
I learned bits of Italian and have done some beginner Spanish courses but didn't keep up with it, I liked those languages so may take it up again, I don't think to the point of being fluent but ... maybe functional enough to use when traveling.

Prowler
02-11-2018, 11:55 AM
Learning a new language as an adult is hard, and honestly not worth the time.

I only know english. I would like to speak spanish fluently but it's too late now so I don't care. Learning a second language is just too time consuming and as you can tell sdp, is giving you more trouble than its worth.
It's harder to learn a new language as an adult than as a kid, sure, but hardly impossible.

Thing is, most people who study languages end up never moving to a place where that language is the dominant spoken one, so that limits their exposure. I'm sure if I moved to a German speaking country tomorrow my German would improve tenfold in about a year or so, since I'd be forced to speak it and read in it every single day.

sdp
02-11-2018, 12:22 PM
I gave foreign language classes for almost 6 years so I'm well aware that it's difficult and the older the more difficult it is. And yes most people quit, only a small percentage finished the courses with a good level. But I had a student who was truly awful and already a grandpa even if not too old and it took him years and he was very dedicated but really bad and in the end he learned it pretty well.

I have the advantage that I'm not really starting from Zero and already speak it/understand it better than most people who say they speak 2 languages but don't really. I took French in High School for 3 years, then took it again for a year and a half while I waited to get into a chinese school just to remember the stuff I had learned and I stopped to try to learn Chinese when I was finally able to but after a year and a half with Mandarin I realized it was just too difficult and stopped. I took French again because I was staying in Quebec for a month and that's when my passion reignited, this time to really finish what I had left undone the previous times and I'm omitted, I will learn French fluently.

You just need Dedication/Time, yes other things make it easier such as a great teacher, passion, material and exposure. Thanks to the internet material is easy to come by the others are a bit more difficult to find but possible if doing it right.

Using the European framework I would consider myself to be near the b1 level and I hope to have a solid B1 level by the end of my "1 year commitment". I originally wanted to get as close to B2 level but I don't see that happening by June, by the end of the year or 2019? I'm counting on it, without the pressure of University it should be a lot easier.

I wish another dromer joined the comittment :lol:

sdp
06-25-2018, 12:40 PM
Well, it's been a year since I made this thread so I thought I'd bump it. Looking back it was a very ambitious project and I just didn't have the time to dedicate to it to get to the level I originally wanted which is a B2 level. I still practiced a lot, didn't give up, hit a few walls along the way which happens and passed them.

It's not a failure of a project though since I improved quite a bit and I'd say I'm a B1 level. For those not used to the european frame B2 is bilingual and B1 is intermediate. I can have conversations about pretty much any topic, I make mistakes and can't express everything but I can communicate just fine. I can't understand movies without subtitles but my listening is decent, my reading skills are much improved and I can now read news in French for the most part and I can't do complex writing but I seem to do just fine chatting with people on twitter in French.


I did blog about French related topics like reviews of French shows and apps as well as make notes of my progress every two months here (miscrave.com/french). There's a few posts not linked there yet but the majority are. I plan to continue studying in french and let's see if by next year I can reach B2 level! It was a fun journey and I'm super happy that I can now communicate in French but I know i can improve a lot more and it'll be hard work but I'll do it.

Wesley
06-25-2018, 01:52 PM
Well done, sdp. I know mainly English, though I know some French and Irish too.

MsMarvelDuckie
06-25-2018, 02:17 PM
Good for you! I have been off-and-on learning Japanese and Spanish, the first for story research purposes, the second because I work with so many Latinos. It is hard to find time and motivation, but the more I learn, the more proud I am of the accomplishment.