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Andrew NDB
07-03-2017, 11:53 AM
https://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/7/2/1677263/-As-evidence-of-campaign-collusion-with-Russian-hackers-mounts-Donald-Trump-is-falling-apart

Interesting. His campaign was cleared of any Russian collusion by the FBI a little while ago but now the noose is being tightened? This is pretty crazy.

Autbot_Benz
07-03-2017, 12:21 PM
just impeach this orange baboon. he is a shitstain on this country

Andrew NDB
07-03-2017, 12:23 PM
just impeach this orange baboon.

Impeach him for what?

Prowler
07-03-2017, 12:23 PM
Perhaps the Trump can be stumped after all. :trazz:

Candy Kappa
07-03-2017, 02:16 PM
Do you need more then one thread with the Trump shtick? Or did the first one get closed?

Andrew NDB
07-03-2017, 02:17 PM
Do you need more then one thread with the Trump shtick?

This is the only Trump thread.

Candy Kappa
07-03-2017, 02:26 PM
http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=57944

Andrew NDB
07-07-2017, 09:48 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/07/politics/trump-putin-g20-latest/index.html

Trump is meeting with Putin, right now! The collusion is real!

TurtleWA
07-07-2017, 11:14 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/07/politics/trump-putin-g20-latest/index.html

In response Trump considers posting this.

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Aaronardo
07-07-2017, 11:27 AM
Trump is meeting with Putin, right now! The collusion is real!

It's the end of America! We're basically the Soviet Union now! Putin's the real president! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdP8TiKY8dE)

mrmaczaps
07-07-2017, 05:37 PM
Y'all are high on koolaid. Putin & Russia didn't hack the election. Most American's are tired of the leftist bs pc crap.

We all survived the shitstorm of muslim illegal immigrant barry obama. You will survive 8 years of Trump.

GoldMutant
07-07-2017, 08:13 PM
"This is bad comedy!" -Galvatron

I get people are still sour on the election to an extent, but can we attempt to move past it and focus on the policies/legislations passed by Donald?

BTW, I'd still take my chances with him than Pence.

Candy Kappa
07-08-2017, 02:56 AM
Y'all are high on koolaid. Putin & Russia didn't hack the election. Most American's are tired of the leftist bs pc crap.

We all survived the shitstorm of muslim illegal immigrant barry obama. You will survive 8 years of Trump.

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Metalwolf
07-08-2017, 04:10 PM
"This is bad comedy!" -Galvatron

I get people are still sour on the election to an extent, but can we attempt to move past it and focus on the policies/legislations passed by Donald?

BTW, I'd still take my chances with him than Pence.
I don't like Pence either, though I suspect that he wouldn't have the cult of personality that would dampen criticism like Trump does.

Athough you are right. Barring an impeachment (and hopefully not assassination) Trump is here to stay for the next four years.

I think what bothers me the worst about his policies is that he is anti-environment and that he is trying to severely restrict or almost outlaw abortion, one which will screw us over long term and the other which will not reduce abortions at all, but will just serve to drive desperate women towards illegal and unregulated providers.

And what's crazy is that Republicans used to be pro-choice and pro-environment, but all it seemed to take was some heavily influential guy pushing Catholic views on abortion and somebody else saying environmentalism was Mother Earth worship, and their views took a 180. This used to be the party of Lincoln, but I doubt he'd recognize it now. They even started appealing to the racism of the South back in the 60's to get Southern voters away from the Democrats, which I wonder if that was the first sign they started losing their identity.

MsMarvelDuckie
07-08-2017, 06:53 PM
It was indeed. The parties have basically switched roles in the last 100 years or so. Looking back from Lincoln(or earlier) the GOP was more like the Dems are now. And vice versa. It is an interesting flip from what their platforms have been historically.

Metalwolf
07-08-2017, 08:34 PM
It was indeed. The parties have basically switched roles in the last 100 years or so. Looking back from Lincoln(or earlier) the GOP was more like the Dems are now. And vice versa. It is an interesting flip from what their platforms have been historically.And I doubt this evolution is even finished, both parties seem to be moving into more extreme positions. Republicans seem to be slowly morphing into the alt-right, and the Democrats seem to be going into identity politics with a vengeance. Both potentially alienating their more moderate constituents, and both not seeming to care.

TurtleWA
07-08-2017, 09:30 PM
And I doubt this evolution is even finished, both parties seem to be moving into more extreme positions. Republicans seem to be slowly morphing into the alt-right, and the Democrats seem to be going into identity politics with a vengeance. Both potentially alienating their more moderate constituents, and both not seeming to care.

What would moderate reform even look like now a days? Are there any moderate voters even remaining in any party?

Autbot_Benz
07-08-2017, 09:41 PM
Y'all are high on koolaid. Putin & Russia didn't hack the election. Most American's are tired of the leftist bs pc crap.

We all survived the shitstorm of muslim illegal immigrant barry obama. You will survive 8 years of Trump.

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Metalwolf
07-09-2017, 07:27 AM
What would moderate reform even look like now a days? Are there any moderate voters even remaining in any party?Well, there are moderates left, but I'm not sure of the percentage of them. It's seems to be a form of tribalism that's emerging, as the more extreme sides seem to be growing.

Candy Kappa
07-09-2017, 08:53 AM
Hopefully, if the Republicans and Democrats gets too niche it'll fracture into several parties and the 2 Party System can crash and burn. Cause Libertarians and the other one is not going to do anything to change the current system, they're too incompetent, at least of what I've seen.

There's already a splinter Democrat Party called Justice Democrats, which wants to challenge the Democrats and their corporate wing.

Andrew NDB
07-10-2017, 11:15 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/10/politics/donald-trump-russia/index.html

"The point here is simple: With each passing week, the story seems to change when it comes to Trump and Russia. And, in almost every instance, what we find is more smoke around those connections. We don't have fire yet -- as Trump like to remind people (and he's right). But, man oh man, the smoke just keeps getting thicker."

You heard it first from CNN -- the smoke around Trump is getting thicker! Can't be long now.

sdp
07-10-2017, 11:54 AM
wow, will CNN even survive like this?
8 Years of Trump will end up being blamed on them at this rate.

Candy Kappa
07-10-2017, 11:59 AM
CNN did the hacking to elect Donald, for... ratings, or something. *insert a funny joke*

plastroncafe
07-10-2017, 12:03 PM
And I doubt this evolution is even finished, both parties seem to be moving into more extreme positions. Republicans seem to be slowly morphing into the alt-right, and the Democrats seem to be going into identity politics with a vengeance. Both potentially alienating their more moderate constituents, and both not seeming to care.

I would argue that this "morphing" hasn't been slow, it's just that non-marginalized folks are now realizing it's happening....because now it's starting to affect them.

But yeah, the whole Southern Strategy is a hell of a thing to read about.

sdp
07-10-2017, 12:06 PM
The media is fairly happy with the presidency, I'm sure ratings are good for most of them since they have such a polarizing president. They're filling the news cycle with FAKE news and when the President does a bunch of horrible things he just calls the media FAKE news and when you turn on the TV and see FAKE news then who do you believe. No one has learned anything from this past election.

We're in for what appears a rough 8 years and we have no one to blame but the media and whining culture. A part of me thinks the consequences are necessary for people to learn and deserved but then again I am being affected a lot by it and more than the average person who holds dearly to their opinions.

Y'all are high on koolaid.

While I agree, Kool-Aid comes in two flavors, and you're all in on the other.

Candy Kappa
07-10-2017, 12:10 PM
We're in for what appears a rough 8 years and we have no one to blame but the media and whining culture.

I donno, seems more like the people who voted for Donald and the Electoral College thingie is to blame.

plastroncafe
07-10-2017, 12:29 PM
So long as we've got the Electoral College, no third party has a chance.
Which, considering what we've got for third parties might just be the ONLY good thing about the EC to begin with.

As for the people who voted in favor of this administration...
Good luck to them. I hope there are enough of them to complete their Go Fund Me accounts, because...I'm sure as hell not helping them with anything.

MsMarvelDuckie
07-10-2017, 01:20 PM
I'm curious as to why several folks are saying it will be 8 years. They DO realize the next presidential election is in only FOUR years don't they? I seriously doubt Chump will last longer than that- not when buyers remorse is already setting in for so many.....

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
07-10-2017, 01:21 PM
I'm curious as to why several folks are saying it will be 8 years. They DO realize the next presidential election is in only FOUR years don't they? I seriously doubt Chump will last longer than that- not when buyers remorse is already setting in for so many.....

He'll be reelected.

I'll put $$$ on that.

plastroncafe
07-10-2017, 01:33 PM
I'd be willing to bet most people don't realize we have elections ever November.
And because of that...yeah, he'll likely get re-elected in four.

I'm sure gerrymandering and continued blocks to voters' rights will have absolutely no role to play in that either.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
07-10-2017, 01:35 PM
I'd be willing to bet most people don't realize we have elections ever November.
And because of that...yeah, he'll likely get re-elected in four.

I'm sure gerrymandering and continued blocks to voters' rights will have absolutely no role to play in that either.

I have faith in my fellow man.

...

Not that they'll make informed rational decisions, but that they'll live down to my expectations.

I'm rarely disappointed.

Andrew NDB
07-10-2017, 01:38 PM
I am curious to see who the democrats will dust off to face him in 2020. It won't be a Hillary Clinton, or anyone like that at all.

MsMarvelDuckie
07-10-2017, 01:40 PM
I dunno. In my area at least it seens he has lost a lot of the support he had before. Even the people who voted for him are questioning why they did. If the same holds true in other Red states his own party might turn against him.

plastroncafe
07-10-2017, 01:40 PM
Which is a shame, because she was actually qualified for the job.

In the meantime I'll be making sure my Aunt attire is ready and freshly pressed.

Under his eye.
https://68.media.tumblr.com/524d5040f63f49ade3a3bddfbedb6be5/tumblr_optcyf46Yb1t407i7o1_400.gif

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
07-10-2017, 02:08 PM
I am curious to see who the democrats will dust off to face him in 2020. It won't be a Hillary Clinton, or anyone like that at all.

Bernie 2020, baby! :tlol:

plastroncafe
07-10-2017, 02:10 PM
Bernie 2020, baby! :tlol:

If I were a democrat I'd be PISSED at my party for nominating him.
Good god his ardent supporters are insufferable.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
07-10-2017, 02:16 PM
If I were a democrat I'd be PISSED at my party for nominating him.
Good god his ardent supporters are insufferable.

WOOOOOOOO!!!!!

FREE EDUCATION!!!!!!

WOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

Sorry, that was uncalled for. Seriously, though, unless his health takes a major decline, he'll be running again.

plastroncafe
07-10-2017, 02:19 PM
WOOOOOOOO!!!!!

FREE EDUCATION!!!!!!

WOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

Sorry, that was uncalled for. Seriously, though, unless his health takes a major decline, he'll be running again.

I don't doubt he will, and I wish him the best.
Much like another Socialist Jew I know, it's not him I have a problem with...but his fanclub.

:D

sdp
07-10-2017, 09:31 PM
It's going to be 8 years because instead of looking at why Trump won when it should've been a landslide victory for whoever ran against him. But instead of looking at what alienated voters they're using the same god damn strategies that did not work in the primaries nor the eleciton.

Sure, let's attack Trump on anything whether it's true or half-true, that surely won't come back to bite them. Let's continue to give power to SJWs who get offended over everything and are alienating the majority of the population. It wasn't "us" it was Russia who got Trump elected.


The worst part of Andrew's trolling of "this time it'll actually happen..." is that he doesn't even post all the articles that the mainstream media is putting out.



Anywho, about the whole "it's only a two party system" well a multi-party system is not necessarily good either in a winner takes all type of democracy since often there are many parties that split the vote and the least popular party ends up in control since there was no one to divide up the vote there. This is what happens in my current country and it's a huge problem. Literally everyone hates the elected party but no one can agree on which other party should win so the vote is split and the hated party wins again when everyone would've preferred any other choice.

Spike Spiegel
07-11-2017, 07:30 AM
Report: Trump Son Informed Russia Meeting Was Effort To Aid His Father's Campaign(via NPR) (http://www.npr.org/2017/07/10/536498127/white-house-defends-trump-sons-meeting-with-russian-attorney-during-campaign)



After dismissing such a meeting as routine opposition research gathering that typically happens during campaigns — although typically such meetings wouldn't happen with foreign government — Trump Jr. also tweeted Monday that he would be happy to "pass on what I know" to Senate and House Intelligence Committees investigating Russia's interference in the 2016 elections and possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia. That statement came after Maine GOP Sen. Susan Collins said the president's son needs to speak to the committee.

Senate Intelligence Committee Vice Chairman Mark Warner, D-Va., told reporters at the Capitol Monday that he "absolutely" wanted to talk to Trump's son, calling it part of a "continuing pattern we've seen since the election of Trump campaign and Trump administration officials who have conveniently forgotten meetings with Russians."

"If I was a campaign manager and had been contacted by what may be an agent of a foreign power and was told that agent may have damaging information about a potential candidate, I think I would remember that meeting," Warner said. "And I think it's also a little strange, as a candidate, if my son or son-in-law met with an official or an agent of a foreign power I think I'd probably want to hear about that information."



So is this going to bring about a new investigation or just get swept under the rug?

plastroncafe
07-11-2017, 08:26 AM
Rich white guy?
Totally swept under the rug.

Just like Ivanka taking her dad's seat at the G20 meeting.

Andrew NDB
07-11-2017, 11:51 AM
"Abramson connects the dots: collusion is certain, and Trump knew"

https://m.dailykos.com/story/2017/7/9/1679290/-Abramson-connects-the-dots-collusion-is-certain-and-Trump-knew

Diabolical...

TurtleWA
07-11-2017, 02:16 PM
I am curious to see who the democrats will dust off to face him in 2020. It won't be a Hillary Clinton, or anyone like that at all.

Lol, "dust off" nice wording. Someone like old Joe perhaps.

I can't wait for all candidates to be born after 1970. Enough of these boomers already. I know I'm ageist. :-?

Spike Spiegel
07-11-2017, 03:17 PM
Even after Trump leaves office, the things he's already done are going to set a negative precedent for what future leaders will think they can get by with.

Culturally and politically, the U.S. has some serious rebuilding to do.

Refractive Reflections
07-12-2017, 12:27 PM
...This is still going on? :lol:

Meanwhile in real news...
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IndigoErth
07-13-2017, 08:15 PM
Really needs to be 10x longer, or he needs to do more of these.

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plastroncafe
07-13-2017, 09:56 PM
I don't know man, as funny as that is it's still not the Joker reading Trump's tweets.

I think in the name of science we should have them go head-to-head.

Mayhem
07-15-2017, 09:34 AM
Jesus Christ on a stick...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-white-house-security-voters-outrage-data-personal-information-election-integrity-a7842566.html

Candy Kappa
07-15-2017, 09:54 AM
The incompetence escalates :lol:

IndigoErth
07-15-2017, 06:27 PM
It's utterly MAGNIFICENT just how incredibly EASY it is to share OTHER peoples' info, right?

No sense of shame, no couth, no taking up of personal responsibility...




Edit: Also...

"You're in such good shape. She's in such good physical shape. Beautiful."

Makes me want to barf because it sounds like a comment more fitting to if he was being shown a damn racehorse.

Does he want to pry her mouth open and check out her teeth, too?

MsMarvelDuckie
07-16-2017, 01:22 PM
It's utterly MAGNIFICENT just how incredibly EASY it is to share OTHER peoples' info, right?

No sense of shame, no couth, no taking up of personal responsibility...




Edit: Also...

"You're in such good shape. She's in such good physical shape. Beautiful."

Makes me want to barf because it sounds like a comment more fitting to if he was being shown a damn racehorse.

Does he want to pry her mouth open and check out her teeth, too?


Lol sounds more creeper comment to me. This man scares me- on multiple fronts.

Guile
07-16-2017, 01:37 PM
Just send the nukes, Trump

IndigoErth
07-16-2017, 01:45 PM
For who, Russia? He wouldn't nuke Russia. He has business there, it would negatively impact his financial gains, esp post-presidency. Prob why he won't ever do anything but make nice when them no matter what they do.

Andrew NDB
07-17-2017, 01:38 PM
For who, Russia? He wouldn't nuke Russia. He has business there

What is the business?

Andrew NDB
07-18-2017, 05:44 PM
Report: Russian mob money helped build Trump business empire

http://www.msnbc.com/brian-williams/watch/report-russian-mob-money-helped-build-trump-business-empire-1002228291948?cid=sm_npd_ms_fb_ma

If this isn't enough smoke, I don't know what is! Warrant for his arrest likely being signed now.

Shark_Blade
07-18-2017, 05:45 PM
Can we just arrest Trump, his family and the whole GOP already?

ToTheNines
07-18-2017, 06:48 PM
Constitutionally, no. You're also not an American, and we will not extradite to your sh*thole.

CyberCubed
07-18-2017, 06:51 PM
Trump's entire lifestory is going to make a great plot for a movie in a few years. I can't wait to watch all the movies based on Trump's presidency. We already have Alec Baldwin to play the perfect Trump on film. I hope he's still able to do it in 4 years after Trump's presidency ends.

ToTheNines
07-18-2017, 07:08 PM
Trump's entire lifestory is going to make a great plot for a movie in a few years. I can't wait to watch all the movies based on Trump's presidency. We already have Alec Baldwin to play the perfect Trump on film. I hope he's still able to do it in 4 years after Trump's presidency ends.

I dunno. It's already feeling played out. Even his own tweets are starting to feel contrived and forced.

He'll continue to be an embarrassment, but people will mostly get over it before long.

Refractive Reflections
07-20-2017, 01:55 PM
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Andrew NDB
07-20-2017, 02:02 PM
Trump's entire lifestory is going to make a great plot for a movie in a few years. I can't wait to watch all the movies based on Trump's presidency. We already have Alec Baldwin to play the perfect Trump on film. I hope he's still able to do it in 4 years after Trump's presidency ends.

I'm sure Oliver Stone is already typing away. I'm being very serious.

plastroncafe
07-20-2017, 02:30 PM
Let's be honest though, Trump is falling apart.
I mean, he's the leader of a party that can't push its own agenda through Congress when they have a majority in both Houses.

That's...really sad.
That's like Democrat levels of disorganization.

Mayhem
07-21-2017, 10:30 AM
Spicer quits... mmm dirt...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40687521

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
07-21-2017, 10:33 AM
Spicer quits... mmm dirt...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40687521

He had a good run. Can you imagine trying to find his replacement? :tlol:

Katie
07-21-2017, 10:29 PM
Good on Spicer for getting out. I can't imagine the levels of stress he had and I have a hellishly stressful job. Sara Huckabee will be interesting to watch.

Next up: Sessions.

Trump is exploring his pardon powers too. If he's so squeeky clean, why would he do that? MAGA.

Some day he may learn that politics isn't just like running a business.

Andrew NDB
07-26-2017, 10:17 AM
Will 22 million Americans really lose their healthcare if Obamacare is replaced?

http://www.intellectualtakeout.org/article/will-22-million-americans-lose-their-healthcare-if-obamacare-replaced

MsMarvelDuckie
07-26-2017, 10:31 AM
We will. If they put in their version it would bankrupt us in under a month. Not kidding. His dialysis treatments ALONE would put us on the street. And thats not counting all his meds. We would be royally f**ked.

plastroncafe
07-26-2017, 10:37 AM
Will 22 million Americans really lose their healthcare if Obamacare is replaced?

http://www.intellectualtakeout.org/article/will-22-million-americans-lose-their-healthcare-if-obamacare-replaced

There's a replacement?
When in the last ten years did they write that?

Autbot_Benz
07-26-2017, 11:00 AM
Trump Bans LGBTQ people from serving in the Military. Ironically he dodged serving.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/07/26/trump-just-eviscerated-his-claim-to-being-an-lgbt-ally/

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
07-26-2017, 11:05 AM
Trump Bans LGBTQ people from serving in the Military. Ironically he dodged serving.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/07/26/trump-just-eviscerated-his-claim-to-being-an-lgbt-ally/

Solidifying that Bible Belt Deep South Republican voter base.

They can't use the bathroom in my state, and now they can't serve in the military.

We should be playing "Trump Bingo", because this probably would have been the winning square.

plastroncafe
07-26-2017, 11:36 AM
Quick! People are paying attention to how we're messing with HealthCare, distract them with something!

But what...Oh I've got it!
Let's attack a marginalized group that a lot of stupid people already hate for no reason!

Andrew NDB
07-26-2017, 11:38 AM
If the draft was ever activated it does give everyone an excellent out now. If your name comes up, just be like, "I totally identify as (opposite gender)!" and then they can't send you to Syria or whatever.

plastroncafe
07-26-2017, 11:45 AM
If the draft was ever activated it does give everyone an excellent out now. If your name comes up, just be like, "I totally identify as (opposite gender)!" and then they can't send you to Syria or whatever.

I think my favorite comment on this comes from a married white woman whose avatar on fb is a "Confederate Flag."

"I don't want to share living quarters with a man!"

I kind of feel bad for her husband now.

You know, I kind of wonder if this is a two-fer attack.
The first bit is to try and distract us liberals from how they're planning on gutting the health care system for the 98%, but...I'm slowly starting to think there's a second bit aimed at smoking out people who are 100% loyal to the administration.

It'll be interesting to see pan out.

MsMarvelDuckie
07-26-2017, 12:11 PM
Banned from military? Well, there goes the Navy.....

Yeah I think he may have gone WAY TOO FAR with that one. It's unconstitutional in the extreme.

Andrew NDB
07-26-2017, 12:16 PM
I'm slowly starting to think there's a second bit aimed at smoking out people who are 100% loyal to the administration.

Entirely possible. Though I can't imagine even his most staunch supporters can possibly be 100% behind every aspect of what he says/wants to do. There's no way.

Banned from military? Well, there goes the Navy.....

Doubtful.

plastroncafe
07-26-2017, 12:24 PM
Entirely possible. Though I can't imagine even his most staunch supporters can possibly be 100% behind every aspect of what he says/wants to do. There's no way.


They may not be 100%, but...a good chunk of GOP's power comes from lock-step voting and presenting a unified front.

Which is a whole lot easier to maintain when one is in the minority, which they aren't anymore.

Andrew NDB
07-27-2017, 01:42 PM
"Chelsea Clinton Slams Trump on LGBT Rights — Twitter Delivers Scorching History Lesson on Mom and Dad"

http://ijr.com/the-declaration/2017/07/931918-chelsea-clinton-slams-trump-lgbt-rights-twitter-delivers-scorching-history-lesson-mom-dad/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Owned&utm_term=ijamerica&utm_campaign=ods&utm_content=Politics

plastroncafe
07-27-2017, 01:57 PM
Hillary Clinton Used to Be Terrible On Marriage Equality (https://www.thestranger.com/blogs/slog/2016/02/22/23606058/hillary-clinton-used-to-be-terrible-on-marriage-equality)

It's ****ing moronic—it's political malpractice—to attack a politician for coming around on your issues. There are lots of other issues the queer community is going to be pressing politicians on, from passing equal rights bills and trans rights bills to defeating anti-trans bathroom legislation and RFRAs. If pols who are currently on the wrong side of any of those issues see no benefit to changing their positions—if they see no political benefit—they're going to be harder to persuade. Why should they come around on our issues, why should they switch sides or change their votes, if we're going to go after them hammer and tongs for the positions they used to hold? ("Please change your mind and support us." "No." "Pretty please?" "OK, I've changed my mind and I'll vote to support you." "**** YOU FOR NOT ALWAYS AGREEING WITH ME! I'M NOT VOTING FOR YOU! **** YOU SOME MORE!")

Of course, these are people attacking the child of a former legislator and executive.
But the point remains.

Chelsea isn't wrong.
And pointing out that Hillary changed her stance is moronic.

You're better than this, Andrew.

sdp
07-27-2017, 03:15 PM
You realize that both Republicans and Democrats care about the votes and not specific issues for the most part. Hillary's change was to get votes just as much as Trumps change was. There is no "good guy", they all have their own agenda. The LGBTQRSTUV and minority communities are being used as much as the religious / racist communities are, and both call each other ignorant for not knowing the facts.

Chelsea is not a "child" anymore and she has been getting more and more into politics so it's fair game, even if she says she's not interested I can see her running once the "unlikability" of her mother starts to clear up, give it a few years.

plastroncafe
07-27-2017, 03:24 PM
Believe me, there isn't a minority community in the US that isn't keenly aware of this fact.
But you're comparing minority and majority communities, which aren't the same thing. One is upset at the injustice they face, and the other is upset because how dare you treat everyone else in the same way they alone should be treated.

Perhaps I should have said Offspring, rather than child.
And my defense of her has more to do with the fact that no offspring should be held accountable for the sins of their parents, than it does protecting her from her own words and actions.

Honestly, the folks who hate Hillary are always going to hate her.
Some people just don't like uppity bints.
Me? I'm rather fond of them myself.

sdp
07-27-2017, 03:37 PM
But all these minority communities have come together to form a majority and they haven't used that power wisely and alienated a large part of the population, including myself who I'm sure some here think of me no better than Vegita or mrmaczapz when I'm quite liberal.

I have heard Chelsea talk and I'm not a fan of her, she is no Bill or even Hillary. If she wants have a public voice then she needs to accept what she gets thrown at her, it's not always fair but that's how things are.

I'm a big fan of Bill and thought Hillary would've been a good president but she lost, and lost big time because of many reasons, the majority being her own damn fault. She needs to just get out of the public life. But I'm sure her new book will continue to say "I take full responsibility but Russia, Misogyny, not my fault."

Candy Kappa
07-27-2017, 03:47 PM
Lgbtqrstuv?

sdp
07-27-2017, 03:52 PM
Lgbtqrstuv?

I mentioned the LGBT community and was corrected that it was LGBTQ, that was about a year ago or longer and sure why not. A few months ago I was rudely corrected that it was LGBTQ and like 3 more letters to "better represent", sorry that's just ridiculous, they can call me a homophobe if they like. And you will be too eventually since apparently there's an infinite number of letters they can add.

plastroncafe
07-27-2017, 05:24 PM
I prefer LGBTBBQ myself.

I don't hear Chelsea complaining about how she's being treated, I'm pointing out the logical fallacy of going after her parents when she says something.

Really I'm just tired of Andrew's s*** stirring.
I want to believe he's better than this, but as days go on I'm beginning to question that belief.

Now I can't speak to your specific feeling of alienation, but I've seen a lot of people online complaining about how minority groups they aren't a party of have alienated them.

Usually it can be summed up by saying: they made me feel bad.
If you honestly believe in a cause, and you get turned away from that cause because the people most directly affected by the injustice in question make you feel bad... You weren't really a very good Ally to begin with.

And in conclusion, Hillary should stay exactly where she wants to be. Nobody tells Jimmy Carter to get out of public life. Or Al Gore. People who don't like her don't like her because she's an uppity bint, and that's all the more reason she shouldn't go away.

sdp
07-27-2017, 08:31 PM
I'm happy not being a good ally then. Really f-ck anyone with the "with us or against us attitude". That's the whole reason we even have Trump as president to begin with.

Andrew has been doing the same thing he's done since he joined the forum, just before it was with OT fanboys :lol:

FredWolfLeonardo
07-27-2017, 08:35 PM
Andrew has been doing the same thing he's done since he joined the forum, just before it was with OT fanboys :lol:

Andrew still triggers me when he takes a jab at FW, and its awesome.

ProphetofGanja
07-27-2017, 08:47 PM
I'm happy not being a good ally then. Really f-ck anyone with the "with us or against us attitude". That's the whole reason we even have Trump as president to begin with.

Well I mean, what else is there? If you're not trying to be part of the solution, then by definition you're part of the problem.

plastroncafe
07-27-2017, 08:56 PM
I'm happy not being a good ally then. Really f-ck anyone with the "with us or against us attitude". That's the whole reason we even have Trump as president to begin with.


It's stuff like this that makes you indistinguishable from zaps and Vegita.

Now if you want to have a conversation about ideological purity, and how it's detrimental, yeah we can do that.

But if you're really just butt mad that acting like a decent human being didn't win you the accolades, butt pats, and cookies you feel it deserved.... Yeah, ain't nobody got time for that crap.

sdp
07-27-2017, 08:57 PM
Except things in life aren't that simple but yeah that whole alienating everyone strategy sure has paid off so far!

Horse Shoe theory
https://putanumonit.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/molochs-horseshow.png?w=640

plastroncafe
07-27-2017, 09:13 PM
Gosh, person who can probably walk away from an oppressive situation easily, please tell me more about how things in life are not easy or simple.

It's not something I had ever considered, what with being part of an oppressed minority.

See here's something that was really hard for me to learn as a CIS white person:. There are some times and places where my opinion is not required or appreciated. Those are the times in which I best help the cause by standing back, listening, and letting people more directly affected by the topic at hand speak of their own experiences.

This, I find, is the most difficult thing for majority populations to understand. Because for so long everything was about in catered to them.

And when these times come, and I don't recognize them right away, getting mad at the oppressed minority is wrong.
My anger should be directed towards the source of the oppression. Not the people experiencing

Always punch up, never punch down.

sdp
07-27-2017, 09:33 PM
Again, life is not that simple, we live in a tough world with issues that aren't easily resolved as much as an ideological view might seem to be. Not that I expect someone who has only ever lived in a first world country can imagine the oppression that so many have to face. I can assure you I have been affected more by a Trump presidency than the majority of the people complaining about him. #firstworldprivilege

ProphetofGanja
07-27-2017, 09:45 PM
Except things in life aren't that simple but yeah that whole alienating everyone strategy sure has paid off so far!

Horse Shoe theory
https://putanumonit.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/molochs-horseshow.png?w=640

why is a statue of Moloch on this chart??

sdp
07-27-2017, 10:03 PM
:lol: to emphasize the evilness I guess, it was the only medium size jpg I found for horse shoe theory in my quick search

Spike Spiegel
07-28-2017, 09:24 AM
What are the chances of Clinton's new book revealing/hinting at something that might make a difference in the ongoing investigations regarding Russia/the election?

Andrew NDB
07-28-2017, 10:30 AM
Uh oh... "Ex-Cruz aide: Trump presidency 'is effectively over'":
http://thehill.com/homenews/media/344281-ex-cruz-communications-director-trump-presidency-is-effectively-over?amp

What are the chances of Clinton's new book revealing/hinting at something that might make a difference in the ongoing investigations regarding Russia/the election?

Zero.

FredWolfLeonardo
07-28-2017, 01:36 PM
Uh oh... "Ex-Cruz aide: Trump presidency 'is effectively over'":
http://thehill.com/homenews/media/344281-ex-cruz-communications-director-trump-presidency-is-effectively-over?amp


Yep. Any time now!

CyberCubed
07-28-2017, 02:19 PM
The only way Trump doesn't last 4 years is he either resigns himself, which is unlikely due to his ego, or he gets assassinated. The latter is probably not likely either, given we haven't had a president killed in office in a long, long time.

GoldMutant
07-28-2017, 02:24 PM
The only way Trump doesn't last 4 years is he either resigns himself, which is unlikely due to his ego, or he gets assassinated. The latter is probably not likely either, given we haven't had a president killed in office in a long, long time.

Unless he was tried for possible felonies in the future and convicted, option 1 ain't happening either.

I haven't caught up on Trump in a while, so if he's done something heinous, let me know. Politics I don't want to involve myself in too heavily.

Andrew NDB
07-28-2017, 02:33 PM
Yeah, I don't see him resigning over "trumped up" allegations or "smoke" that doesn't ever go anywhere. If anything, I could see him just... not running a second term if this term runs him sufficiently ragged.

plastroncafe
07-28-2017, 02:59 PM
That's the thing though, we could have 100% proof positive that he's in the pocket of a foreign nation, and his base would shrug it off.

Because they're apparently willing to sell their own country down the river, so long as it makes people they disagree with mad.

Which...okay.

I'm sticking to my original theory:
He'll be in the Oval so long as the GOP Majority in Congress can get him to rubber stamp everything they want....and then they'll remove him, and expect to be crowned champions.

Only, it would appear that the GOP Majority in Congress kind of...sucks at their job.

Andrew NDB
07-28-2017, 03:05 PM
That's the thing though, we could have 100% proof positive that he's in the pocket of a foreign nation, and his base would shrug it off.

If there was 100% proof positive of collusion, wouldn't that kickstart an impeachment? Whether the base shrugs it off or not seems irrelevant if that was the case... he'd be on trial regardless.

plastroncafe
07-28-2017, 03:08 PM
If there was 100% proof positive of collusion, wouldn't that kickstart an impeachment? Whether the base shrugs it off or not seems irrelevant if that was the case... he'd be on trial regardless.

I'm afraid I'm far too cynical to give an unbiased answer to that question.
Conservative supported, rich, white, guy?
Yeah, far too cynical.

Jester
07-28-2017, 05:55 PM
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y132/Jesterangelo/Nixon.png

ToTheNines
07-28-2017, 06:12 PM
To be clear, Nixon was not impeached but resigned because he knew his goose was cooked. Trump is kind of a whacko and seems to be a little out of touch with reality. A trial would also give him a fugjillion opportunities to tweet WITCH HUNT, which he couldn't resist.

Jester
07-28-2017, 06:21 PM
I know, but the articles of impeachment were drawn. He was going to be impeached. He resigned to save as much face as possible. Trump's ego won't allow him to resign.

ToTheNines
07-28-2017, 06:54 PM
And the D's outnumbered the R's by a pretty large margin in both House and Senste, which isn't the case now. He didn't stand a chance.

https://cdn.meme.am/cache/instances/folder305/58225305.jpg

TurtleWA
07-28-2017, 07:05 PM
Most of us weren't even born when Dick Nixon was in office. I guess not much has changed in politics.

ToTheNines
07-28-2017, 07:37 PM
Umm... a lot has changed. Like, an assload.

Jester
07-28-2017, 08:34 PM
The more things change the more they stay the same, they say.

TurtleWA
07-28-2017, 08:39 PM
Umm... a lot has changed. Like, an assload.

I'm talking about the nature of a politician not so much the issues and policies.

ProphetofGanja
07-28-2017, 08:57 PM
I'm talking about the nature of a politician not so much the issues and policies.

Yeah, there ain't never been a motherfvcker like Trump before and there probably never will again

TurtleWA
07-28-2017, 10:04 PM
Yeah, there ain't never been a motherfvcker like Trump before and there probably never will again

Trump definitely is not a cookie cutter politician. It would be interesting to see personality tests completed by the last dozen presidents or so. I think they might have more similar characteristics than different. I mean don't the same occupations generally attract the same types. Just saying we don't see a lot of Albert Einstein or Mother Teresa types in office.

plastroncafe
07-28-2017, 11:28 PM
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y132/Jesterangelo/Nixon.png

Remind me, did he have any legal actions? Serve any time? Pray any fines?

I'm not asking to be facetious, I'm legitimately curious.

Cure
07-28-2017, 11:58 PM
He was pardoned by Ford.

MsMarvelDuckie
07-29-2017, 12:07 AM
Pray any fines? Hmm, I don't recall any divine mandates for that, but who knows?


Edit: Sorry Plastron but that typo was too good a target to pass up lol!

Andrew NDB
07-29-2017, 01:27 AM
Can someone explain to me what the "torys" are in the UK? I frequently see them referred to online by people angry that they're "messing up" this or that, but I've never bothered to look into who or what they are or are about.

dl316bh
07-29-2017, 01:51 AM
Can someone explain to me what the "torys" are in the UK? I frequently see them referred to online by people angry that they're "messing up" this or that, but I've never bothered to look into who or what they are or are about.
The UK's Conservative Party. I'm not super knowledgeable about UK politics, but from what little I know, the previous version were called the Torys, which gave way to the Conservative Party, so everyone just kept calling the new party the same thing to this day. They're the one in power right now. Well, technically in power, given how dire their situation is after they blew it with this last election.

Mayhem
07-29-2017, 02:33 AM
Yes, Tories, aka the Conservative party. They sit on the political left/right spectrum roughly where the Democrats sit in the US. Newsflash for everyone calling the Democrats liberals, socialists et al, you're wrong. The Democratic party is a right wing party. Both major US political parties are right wing, just the Republicans are even further to the right than them. Whereas we have the Labour party, which has been traditional just left of centre, but has moved about of the years, especially when Tony Blair was in power. And the Lib Dems who sits somewhere in the middle, but also fluctuate.

You can pretty much guess where the BNP and UKIP parties sit, yep, about where the Republicans do heh.

Candy Kappa
07-29-2017, 02:34 AM
Yeah, there ain't never been a motherfvcker like Trump before and there probably never will again

Not quite.

ZIv7dQ9tt30

sdp
07-29-2017, 12:52 PM
The mainstream media and political analysts are out of touch, that is one thing Trump has nailed and been able to use to his advantage to win people over. This is the lesson no one has wanted to learn from in the last elections. I read enough (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/10/24/donald-trumps-chances-of-winning-are-approaching-zero/) Trump stories last election to realize this.

Not only do I not think he'll leave office early but if the political climate doesn't change now and there seems to be no signs pointing that it will then he will win again. I'd like to be wrong but sometimes people do get the government that they deserve.

dl316bh
07-29-2017, 02:11 PM
Not only do I not think he'll leave office early but if the political climate doesn't change now and there seems to be no signs pointing that it will then he will win again. I'd like to be wrong but sometimes people do get the government that they deserve.
Oh, his ass isn't leaving that place early, that much I'm sure of. Barring a smoking gun - and unless he's as stupidly paranoid as Nixon, we're probably not getting something that concrete - that leaves no one able to protect him, Republicans aren't impeaching their parties President, whether they like him or not.

His re-election chances are harder to predict. Hindsight is 20/20, but 2016 really was a perfect storm for him to be elected. He's not even super popular with conservatives and the displaced factory workers in the Rust Belt - the low key MVP's of putting him the White House - are starting to sound like they're realizing the "outsider" they took a gamble on won't help them either and are giving up. He's got incumbency going for him, as going by history they are typically re-elected, but history would also say a guy like him never would have made it where he did, so who knows. It depends a lot on who they field; if the Democrats try Hillary again, he's got a great shot, anyone else and it's a toss up.

Newsflash for everyone calling the Democrats liberals, socialists et al, you're wrong. The Democratic party is a right wing party. Both major US political parties are right wing, just the Republicans are even further to the right than them.
A lot of us are aware, thanks all the same.

MikeandRaph87
07-31-2017, 03:16 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/news/anthony-scaramucci-white-house-communications-director-11-days-reports-190158404.html

It looks like a lot of hate on this guy cost him the job he chose over his wife. I am surprised.

dl316bh
07-31-2017, 03:33 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/news/anthony-scaramucci-white-house-communications-director-11-days-reports-190158404.html

It looks like a lot of hate on this guy cost him the job he chose over his wife. I am surprised.
To be honest, I'm not. This administration is a circus, with positions starting to seem like a revolving door. The only surprising thing to me is that it was this soon, but it looks like that's down to the new Chief of Staff.

Mayhem
07-31-2017, 03:56 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/new-yorker-cartoon-five-stages-white-house-employment_us_597bb2f0e4b02a4ebb758eb5

IndigoErth
07-31-2017, 04:19 PM
What, did it turn out this lapdog (Scaramucci) wasn't White Housebroken? That's one heck of a turnover rate of positions he gets to choose who to hire to fill them. :roll:

Jester
07-31-2017, 04:41 PM
Well, we do have a president whose primary claim to fame was firing people...

dl316bh
07-31-2017, 07:21 PM
What, did it turn out this lapdog (Scaramucci) wasn't White Housebroken?
This got a good chuckle out of me.

MsMarvelDuckie
07-31-2017, 08:13 PM
Well, we do have a president whose primary claim to fame was firing people...

You have a point. I thought the same thing when I saw the latest job vacancy.

IndigoErth
07-31-2017, 08:48 PM
And with this latest one lasting just days, I suppose he has no concern about looking incompetent?

Kind of annoying how he likes to go on about unemployment levels when he can't even hire people he'll keep or won't resign, as well as all the vacant positions he's supposedly still yet to fill. :trolleye:

Mayhem
08-01-2017, 04:02 AM
https://preview.ibb.co/gKPZzk/uxy29byhauwr.jpg (https://ibb.co/cpMskQ)

MsMarvelDuckie
08-18-2017, 05:00 PM
Aaaaand another one is removed. Y'know, the White House is beginning to look like a revolving door of staff-hiring/firing. At this rate nothing will EVER be accomplished.

TurtleWA
09-06-2017, 04:16 PM
South Park episode just waiting to happen.
"Facebook says fake accounts linked to Russia bought thousands of ads during US election."
http://www.businessinsider.com/facebook-says-fake-accounts-linked-to-russia-bought-ads-during-us-election-2017-9

IndigoErth
09-29-2017, 02:44 PM
"This is an island. Surrounded by water. Big water. Ocean water."


The Land Before Time: The Mysterious Island

GvB8aZlo5IA

:lol: :tlol:

Candy Kappa
09-30-2017, 05:55 AM
Ocean water is the biggest water

TurtleWA
09-30-2017, 04:21 PM
I think the word you are looking for is "Bigly." :D

IndigoErth
09-30-2017, 04:36 PM
The bigliest!

This isn't a presidency... his family has just put him in taxpayer funded manchild daycare for a few years.

MsMarvelDuckie
09-30-2017, 08:04 PM
ROFLMAO!! Yeah that sounds about right. Too bad they forgot to child-proof the playpen....

Refractive Reflections
10-16-2017, 09:36 PM
Oh No! CNN claims Russian meddling extended to not only Facebook, but Pokemon Go too!

WW4ARP7lgvs
http://money.cnn.com/2017/10/12/media/dont-shoot-us-russia-pokemon-go/index.html
http://www.rollingstone.com/glixel/news/cnn-russia-tried-using-pokemon-go-to-incite-racial-tensions-w508684

Katie
10-17-2017, 06:40 PM
OH NO!!!! Fox news posted it too! Maybe the news isn’t fake and biased like political people want to make it. :roll:

http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2017/10/16/russia-tried-to-use-pokemon-go-to-stoke-racial-tensions-in-us.html

ProphetofGanja
10-17-2017, 07:58 PM
This is all just a piece of the puzzle

Refractive Reflections
10-19-2017, 02:05 PM
OH NO!!!! Fox news posted it too! Maybe the news isn’t fake and biased like political people want to make it. :roll:

http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2017/10/16/russia-tried-to-use-pokemon-go-to-stoke-racial-tensions-in-us.html

Wow...looks like someone missed the point, and the sarcasm, in considering how sensational these news articles are in stating that "meddling" in Pokemon Go, is considered to have such powerful political repercussions on our society in leading to the 2016 election of Trump.

plastroncafe
10-19-2017, 02:07 PM
I think the idea here was that their intrusion was so broad reaching as to be able to hack into something intended for children.

I'd be curious what the encryption level for Pokemon Go! is as well.

ProphetofGanja
10-19-2017, 02:10 PM
Also, consider how popular Pokemon Go was when it first came out. All those people, wandering their neighborhoods as well as other public and private spaces, holding their phones out in front of them, the camera on and recording information. Imagine if someone had access to that data. In most cases, it's useless, but with such a large amount it becomes more valuable because you can see and predict trends. Data is the most valuable resource.

Refractive Reflections
10-19-2017, 02:17 PM
The only reason Russian meddling is considered so important recently, is frankly, because Trump won the election. I'm sure there have been many other foreign governments in many other past American elections who have tried to influence our elections. One would think that effective "meddling" would have to do with government lobbyists, maybe foreign spies involved handling votes in the election process, or cyberhacking government computers.

...But Pokemon Go? ...Really? It reeks more of the media's desperation to try to invalidate Trump's election. ...At least the Muller investigations are something more substantial worth discussing.

ProphetofGanja
10-19-2017, 02:27 PM
Remember last year when all the discussion was about how the Democratic Party rigged the primaries so that Hillary became the candidate instead of Bernie Sanders, who had much more popular support? All that kinda got buried by all this Russian interference talk. I remember though.

plastroncafe
10-19-2017, 02:32 PM
I'm always amazed with folks who are just Okay with the idea of a foreign power tinkering with our election process...because their guy got in.

As for the frivolity of cracking into Pokemon Go!.
I had someone steal my AMEX card number a few years ago.
They bought one song on iTunes with it, before buying five grand in airline vouchers.

That's what this Pokemon makes me think of:
The people testing out the efficacy of something by using something frivolous as a model first.

sdp
10-19-2017, 02:54 PM
Did some of you not read the article? They never hacked Pokemon Go, they used the game to give rewards and to promote an anti-government agenda, which btw Pokemon Go is played by a lot of adults and it does seem like it's obvious they did it. It's not only this they also used videos of blacks promoting resentment from blacks who were obviously not American.

But it's not that these weren't factors, people are using it as scapegoats as to why Trump won. It was a variety of factors and yet people still don't want to take a look at what happened and instead go for the cheap "X" is the only reason he won. If Americans don't take a look at themselves then it'll just happen again in 2020, so I better prepare because it affects me more than the average person complaining about him.

Democrats fall for fake news involving russia as much as republicans fall for their fake news, some people are so eager for collusion they'll believe anything.
https://www.vox.com/world/2017/5/19/15561842/trump-russia-louise-mensch
When they were on the opposite side they did exactly as the Republicans are doing now when it comes to the connections
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/11/trump-russia-mcdaniel-comey-239389
And yet when there was obvious interference with Obama's white house, this story leaked and the media chose to ignore
http://www.newsweek.com/fbi-kept-russian-bribery-plot-under-wraps-obama-approved-nuclear-deal-moscow-686660



confirmation bias from both sides

TurtleWA
10-19-2017, 03:01 PM
I had someone steal my AMEX card number a few years ago.They bought one song on iTunes with it, before buying five grand in airline vouchers.
Sorry that happened to you. Thieves are despicable. What song was purchased?

plastroncafe
10-19-2017, 03:10 PM
Sorry that happened to you. Thieves are despicable. What song was purchased?

Dunno.
Amex is the one that alerted me to the fraud, told me they'd taken care of it, and that my new card would be in my hot little hands within 24 hours.

That IS a really good question though.
Now I wish I knew.

Considering the flight vouchers were for British Airways I'm going to assume it was Lily Allen.

TurtleWA
10-19-2017, 03:20 PM
That IS a really good question though.
Now I wish I knew. Considering the flight vouchers were for British Airways I'm going to assume it was Lily Allen.

I really want to know what a bandit buys with only one song purchase. British Airways, hmmm.

L397TWLwrUU

Prowler
10-19-2017, 07:29 PM
I really want to know what a bandit buys with only one song purchase. British Airways, hmmm.

L397TWLwrUU

Never liked that song much. It was my first JP song and it turned me off from checking out the rest of the band for a while. Then I listened to Desert Plains and decided to give the band another shot.

ProphetofGanja
10-19-2017, 07:34 PM
Best Judas Priest song:

_FP2al0VJEo

Prowler
10-19-2017, 07:50 PM
If I had to make a top 10, I guess it'd look like this:

Desert Plains
Pain And Pleasure
Painkiller
A Touch of Evil
Night Crawler
Evil Fantasies
Turbo Lover
Riding on the Wind
Heavy Metal
Devil's Child

...how did a thread about Trump and Russia end up with us discussing Judas Priest?