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biganimefan
07-22-2017, 12:59 PM
I apologize if this has been done before, but I have looked at the last 4 pages of both this section and the comics section and couldn't find it. But I am genuinely curious how everyone would rank the different TMNT incarnations(comics, tv series', and movies). I'm placing my rankings based mostly on personal enjoyment, but also how well I think it takes care of plot and character development...


TMNT 2003 series: I was nearly 19 when this series began. I loved the more serious take on the show and that it was closer to the source material(even though when the series had started I barely knew anything about it). Same as it Never Was is among my favorite episodes of any TMNT series.

IDW series: I personally really love the re-incarnation angle. Krang is portrayed as a far more serious threat than he is in the FW show, and even the 2K12 show. My wife is reading this series now and really enjoying it so far.

Mirage series: It was probably about 1993 or so when I first discovered the source material. I had my parents buy me a hardback collection(the first 7 issues I think). I remember really liking it, although I was confused about the Turtles killing people. Since the trade collections have come out under IDW, I have bought all of them up to this point. Aside from a lot of the "guest" issues, it's generally pretty high quality stuff. Although my own personal enjoyment with it is a bit low. I've read all of Volume 1 and some of 2. Nothing with Volume 4 and most of Tales yet.

2K12 series: Aside from Casey and that it suffers a bit from plot amnesia, this show is pretty well done for the most part. My wife's personal favorite incarnation(she's also seen the FW series, 2003 series, and all the movies at this point)

FW series: This is where it all started for me. I don't really remember specifics, but in the summer of 1989 a friend of mine brought some Turtle toys over and we played a bit with them. I started watching soon after. This quickly became my personal favorite cartoon(beating out DuckTales and Chip 'n Dale at the time) and I stuck with it until it ended. Loved that it became more serious during the "Red Sky" seasons. I had about a third of the episodes either owned or recorded before it came out on DVD.

Archie series: My first exposure with the Turtle comic books.

original movie series(1-4): TMNT III is my personal favorite.

Image series: I only read 3 of them but I really enjoyed them and eagerly awaiting it to be released in trade.

Bayturtles: Ok, I will admit to liking these to a certain extant and that the 2nd one is better by far. But there are just so many things wrong with them it's not even funny. Vernon in this version is by far the better of his 2 incarnations at least.

Next Mutation: For awhile, I couldn't decide whether to put this one at the bottom or Bayturtles. But honestly, this one would be the most challenge to watch when I start my TMNT marathon next year. There were some, I consider, great ideas that were poorly executed. Venus being one of them.


I know that some of you might consider a couple of these incarnations to be part of either the original movie series(Next Mutation) or Mirage(Image), but I consider them different enough that they're their own thing.

CyberCubed
07-22-2017, 01:01 PM
The only two I didn't like or care for was Bayturtles and Next Mutation, everything else is good to various degrees with me.

It's hard to rank them because I like each for completely different reasons.

biganimefan
07-22-2017, 01:07 PM
I definitely understand that. I have problems with ranking them too, but the order I placed is pretty accurate for the moment.

neatoman
07-22-2017, 01:24 PM
Well in not much of a particular order and mostly without bothering to argue why (because I don't want to think too hard on this and I want to keep the size of this post down, if you want to know my arguments just ask me):


IDW and Mirage land on top of the list, leaning towards IDW being on the top.
4kids, the first movie and the fourth movie land in the second tier, leaning towards 4Kids being on the top here and the first movie being on the bottom.
Archie and the Nickelodeon cartoon land in the third tier, leaning towards the Nickelodeon cartoon being on the top here.
Second movie lands in the fourth tier on it's own.
Third movie and first PD movie are in the fifth tier, hard to really feel my joy about either but I guess the PD movie is less boring despite all the flaws.
The second PD movie and the FW cartoon land at the bottom, one makes my blood boil the other just bores and occasionally annoys me. I'm just just gonna put the second PD movie above the FW cartoon because I'd rather be angry for two hours than bored for seventy.


Next Mutation, Image, Dreamwave and the stage show falls into the "I don't have enough experience with them to judge" category.

Spike Spiegel
07-22-2017, 01:31 PM
Mirage/First movie
4Kids/movies 2 and 3/Season 1 of Fred Wolf
IDW
2012
Platinum Dunes
The rest of Fred Wolf
TNM

I haven't really read the Image comic, so I can't rate it properly.

RaphaelinSTL
07-22-2017, 02:46 PM
Interesting ... let's try this.

1990 film
Mirage
2K3 Series
FW Cartoon
IDW
Nick
Image
1991 film
1993 film
TNM


....literary anything else....


Platinum Dunes

ProphetofGanja
07-22-2017, 02:54 PM
I really just like IDW

Powder
07-22-2017, 03:10 PM
Mirage/Image
Original film universe
Nicktoon/Vintage Playmates universe (tie)
OT
4kids
Next Mutation
IDW
Archie
TMNT (2007 film)
Musical video series

Only the first 3 are concrete rankings. The rest you could kinda switch around without making too much of a difference.

TurtleWA
07-22-2017, 03:12 PM
Ask me today and my list looks like this but ask me in a week and it could be slightly different.

second movie
first movie
Archie comics
Original toon
IDW
Nick toon
2007 movie
Mirage
*Bayturtles


*only makes the list because I like some of the toy line

FredWolfLeonardo
07-22-2017, 04:36 PM
Extremely hard for me since I love most of the versions equally in different ways. However, I find it easier to rank which medium I prefer tmnt as.

1. Animated Tv show: By far, my favourite medium of tmnt, I think it works best as an animated show. The shows we have, FW, 4Kids and Nick, rank among my top 3 favourite tmnt incarnations of all time.

2. Movies: My second favourite tmnt medium, especially when Live action. The 1990 tmnt film is my favourite, followed by Turtles Forever. I would rank the movies:
1. tmnt 1990
2. turtles forever
3. Out of the Shadows/Secret of the Ooze
4. tmnt 3 (help, im a turtle and i cant get up!)
5. tmnt 2014
6. tmnt 2007 (I dont think this is a bad movie, just dont find it as memorable as the others. Still love the CG animation, some scenes ans the nod to the original trilogy though)

3. Comics: I'm not a huge fan of comic books in general, so I'm not ranking this that high, but that doesn't mean I still can't appreciate them. I have never read IDW so I can't judge it but from what I have read of both Mirage and Archie, I find them both fascinating, the former for being the original version of tmnt and its dark themes and the latter for its unique spin on the FW turtles story and unique concepts. Of the two, I like Mirage better as I have read it more than Archie, I like the FW cartoon better than Archie and I love stories/concepts from Mirage such as Issue 1, The Return to New York and City at War. Although, its not "offical" I really liked Odyssey for being well written and thought it deserved a mention. Thank you Andrew :)

4. Shorts/Specials: We Wish you a Turtle Christmas, Coming out of their Shells tour, Turtle Tips, Nick tmnt summer shorts, Half Shell Heroes and every other short/special comes here. I love them for their nostalgia/corniness but they're ranked low because I prefer the "full" versions.

5. Live Action Tv shows: The Next Mutation. No Comment.

snake
07-22-2017, 04:44 PM
Mirage
Movieverse
IDW
Archie=2k3
OT = Nick
2007
TNM

VERY LARGE POWER GAP

PDTMNT


Ignorance of Mirage is ignorance of TMNT.

Danetello
07-22-2017, 06:57 PM
TV series/movies:

1. 2003 series
2. Nick series and 1987 series. I would never be able to choose!
3. Secret of the Ooze
4. Original movie
5. Out of the Shadows
6. TMNT 2007
7. 2014 movie
8. TMNT III
9. Next Mutation

I have barely read any Archie, and I haven't read much at all of the New/Animated Adventures. I have read everything up to the start of Vol. 4 of Mirage/Image (but not further into Vol. 4 itself), and about half of IDW. Based on what I have seen/read, I would rank them the following way, though this could change if I ever finished all of them:

1. IDW
2. Mirage non-guest and non-Image eras
3. New/Animated Adventures
4. Archie
5. Mirage guest era
6. Image era

Shark_Blade
07-22-2017, 09:01 PM
1. IDW TMNT comics
2. Nick TMNT series
3. TMNT OT (first season) series
4. TMNT 1 movie
5. TMNT Bayturtles 1 movie
6. TMNT Bayturtles 2 Out of the Shadows movie
7. TMNT Turtles Forever tv movie
8. TMNT 2003 series
9. TMNT 2007 movie
10. TMNT 3 Turtles in Time movie
11. TMNT 2 Secret of the Ooze movie
12. TMNT Next Mutation series

dawwe
07-23-2017, 05:51 AM
I'm not sure if I can rank everything since I haven read/seen everything out there but here are some of my favorite TMNT incarnations. No TMNT incarnation is really perfect but there is some good stuff out there.

THE GOOD

-The IDW comic.
The IDW incarnation if the turtles is probably my favorite, it's not perfect but it mixes and matches and has made its own great take with some great writing and some really great artists such as Ben Bates, Mateus Santolouco, Sophie Campbell and bunch of other ones.

-The 1990 movie.
A really great mix of the Mirage comic and the 1987 cartoon. Great costumes, great casting and a good mix of humor and action.

-1987/2003/2012 cartoons.
All three cartoons are pretty great in there own ways. Especially early on. The 1987 cartoon will always hold a special place in my heart since it is a big part of what got me inte turtles. The 2003/4kids one goes the darker route and adapts/draw inspiration from the original Mirage comic and does a good job at it. The Nick cartoon is a good cartoon that also probably has one of my favorite versions of Splinter.

-The Mirage comic.
The comic that kicked it all off. Black and White ninja action all day long.

THE "BAD"

-The Next Mutation
Haven't seen that much but what I did see was executed pretty badly.

-The Coming Out of Their Shells Tour
Some catchy tunes here and there but that's about it.

-Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles III
A pretty bad movie with some fun ideas.

CharmedSerenity
07-23-2017, 08:36 PM
Like dawwe, I can't rank anything due to having not seen much outside most of the visual media and two comic series. I also confess to having not got around to reading the original comics outside The River trilogy.

Anyway going on what I'm familiar with...

The Good
IDW
2003 series
2014 movie
Out of the Shadows (movie)
2007 Movie
Original Movie

What I'm neutral on
Secret of the Ooze
TMNT 3
Archie
Next Mutation

The Bad
Original Toon
Nick Toon

DestronMirage22
07-24-2017, 01:49 AM
My list:

1.Mirage/Image
2.IDW
3.2k3/Turtles Forever
4.FW/Mutant Turtles: Superman Legend
5.Original Films
6.Imagi Film
7.Archie
8.Next Mutation
9.Nick

I don't count any of the comic/manga versions of some of these as those aren't really their own incarnations and I didn't list the PD films because they're dead to me.

Utrommaniac
07-24-2017, 02:07 AM
Of the ones I've seen?

IDW (I could go on and on about this)

Tales of the TMNT Mirage (I like how deeply independant the issues are, even if some string together and side characters aren't fully developed and stories that aren't finished. Obligado is probably the only Utrom in the entirety of the Mirage collection that has a more distinct persona from the others, and they just...left us hanging)

2003 (the first attempt to revive the "seriousness" of the original series, but deflates with Ch'rell falling into Villain Sue (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/VillainSue) territory, and wimping out on Karai's end of taking up his mantle. It would have made a great learning experience for her, and maybe even Leonardo to some extent, who was pretty pushy on her with his whole "BUT YUR HONOR" schtick.)

FW (I personally don't see the "pizza obsessed gnarly sewer dood" generalization this show gets, save for maybe commercials in the late 90's. They kind of strike me more as looking utter absurdity in the eye and saying "Welp, I guess this is how we're spending the afternoon." Which I'd actually like to see more of...unfortunately, that's not the way things have ended up)

2012 TMNT (So many good ideas, yet so many that were utterly wasted)

Main Series Mirage (It just never managed to engage me?)

FW-based mangas (What was with the fairies???)

Andrew NDB
07-24-2017, 02:07 AM
1. Mirage.
2. The four movies.
3. Fred Wolf series.

Everything else is some kind of weird jambalaya mix-and-mash of the above. There hasn't really been anything distinctly unique beyond these three.

Props to Archie, though. They steered their own ship.

DevilSpooky
07-24-2017, 03:25 AM
I'll group everything related together and that will drop some incarnations from what would otherwise be their rightfull place, will indicate why on each of them):

- IDW (everything great from past versions with 100% more awesomeness)
- Archie (Just have a soft spot for this one since I grew up with them, still hold up today)
- 4Kids (The Ninja Tribunal and Back to the Sewers prevent this one from being number one)
- 90's movies (third movie and TMNT drop this one from first place as well)
- Mirage/Image (99% of the guest era and the lack of a ending drop this one hard, would probably be first right next to 4kids and the original movies)
- Nick (brought the boys back into my life)
- Bay movies (only because the ones bellow this I don't really like, and I mean AT ALL or else this one would be lower)
- FW (it's not lower because the first 5 episodes are actually enjoyable, and it saddens me because this is my entry point into the property, have my favorite design for the boys and April and was my entire childhood)
- Next Mutation (only enjoyed a handfull of characters, and only one of those is one of the boys, red flags all around if I only like 1/4 of the main team)
- Dreamwave (it's just nothing)

2K3
07-24-2017, 08:34 AM
Top Tier (Best of the Best)
1 – IDW Comics (Combination of the BEST of all Turtle-verses; do I need to explain!!!)
2 - 4Kids (First 5 seasons are the best)
3 - 90's movies (First two and TMNT are the best)
4 – Archie Comics (Nice branch-off of FW; Mutanimals, Null, the Future Shark Trilogy; need I say more?)
Middle Tier (Honorary Mention)
5 – FW (Seasons 1, 2, 7, and 8 will always be my favourites; set the stage for characters like Krang, Bebop and Rocksteady to become bigger characters in later universes)
6 – Mirage Comics (Volume 1 will always be the best; just remove the guest era. Volumes 2-4 felt rather… off)
7 - Nick (Don’t get me wrong, the cast and animation is fantastic! But after Season 1, something felt… off! Too many villains/ mutants-of-the-week, Shredder and the Kraang felt too one-dimensional in places, and we have yet to see April’s mother storyline completed)
Lower Tier (Left alot to be Desired)
8 - Bay movies (Long story short; Right idea, wrong calibre)
9 - Next Mutation (Just… Meh)

neatoman
07-24-2017, 11:09 AM
1. Mirage.
2. The four movies.
3. Fred Wolf series.

Everything else is some kind of weird jambalaya mix-and-mash of the above. There hasn't really been anything distinctly unique beyond these three.

Props to Archie, though. They steered their own ship.

Aren't the 90's movies "jambalaya mix-and-mash"?

Andrew NDB
07-24-2017, 11:10 AM
Aren't the 90's movies "jambalaya mix-and-mash"?

I guess so. Part 1 and 4, anyway. 2 and 3 was just "mash"... mashing of new, lame stuff.

Optimus Primer
07-24-2017, 11:34 AM
Ok, here's my list. I haven't read that much Mirage, but I do have some Mirage waiting to be read, so my list might change in the future. Also Image won't be on this list, because I haven't read it.

1. Nick (Personal favorite, love the art style and chemistry between brothers and Splinter, as well as VAs)
2. IDW
3. Original Movies
4. Mirage
5. 2k3
6. OotS
7. PD #1
8. FW
9. Archie (Read one issue, so this placement is temporary)
10. NM

Shark_Blade
07-24-2017, 08:52 PM
1. Mirage.
2. The four movies.
3. Fred Wolf series.

Everything else is some kind of weird jambalaya mix-and-mash of the above. There hasn't really been anything distinctly unique beyond these three.

Props to Archie, though. They steered their own ship.

Not even IDW? :teek:

Andrew NDB
07-24-2017, 10:29 PM
Not even IDW? :teek:

That's like the biggest mix-and-masher of all.

oldmanwinters
07-24-2017, 11:20 PM
I guess so. Part 1 and 4, anyway. 2 and 3 was just "mash"... mashing of new, lame stuff.

Don't you think the original live-action films are amalgamations of the early Mirage and Fred Wolf universes?

snake
07-25-2017, 03:46 AM
Not even IDW? :teek:

IDW is the least original incarnation of them all. It's a runner up to Nick in terms of "cramming the most sh*t possible".

I enjoy IDW, a lot actually- but there's no reason why it would fit within Andrew's criteria.

***First of Two Latin Kings***
07-25-2017, 07:54 AM
Don't you think the original live-action films are amalgamations of the early Mirage and Fred Wolf universes?

He already said that about II and III.

Except for the turtles eating pizza for every meal, the rainbow bandanas, and April being a reporter in the first one, it's almost a movie adaptation of the early issues of Mirage. The few adaptations/adoptions of Fred Wolf motifs are really just so it wouldn't be completely out of context. I'm sure a lot of people still walked away perplexed at how dark it was at times. Had they gone with red bandanas and done the Baxter Mouser story, it would have been so out of context that it might have bombed at the box office. There's no Krang, or B & R or Splinter who used to be a human, or Casey Jones who talks like Dirty Harry.

Andrew NDB
07-25-2017, 11:07 AM
He already said that about II and III.

Except for the turtles eating pizza for every meal, the rainbow bandanas, and April being a reporter in the first one, it's almost a movie adaptation of the early issues of Mirage. The few adaptations/adoptions of Fred Wolf motifs are really just so it wouldn't be completely out of context. I'm sure a lot of people still walked away perplexed at how dark it was at times.

It only got anything approaching dark a couple times. Splinter getting beat, Tatsu killing-not-killing that guy, and Shredder getting grinded. All of the actual fights are treated like slapstick comedy.

Had they gone with red bandanas and done the Baxter Mouser story, it would have been so out of context that it might have bombed at the box office.

We'll never know. Probably would have done fine.

CyberCubed
07-25-2017, 12:23 PM
As much as I do love IDW, it really is, "cramming everything but the kitchen sink" into one series. They literally take almost anything from past series and combine it into one. Almost every major storyline or plotline in IDW is just a new version of an old story.

The only completely new elements was the reincarnation angle, the Pantheon (even if there was a Mirage Pantheon, it was only 1 issue), and I guess Old Hob's character and motives.

snake
07-25-2017, 12:31 PM
IDW would introduce the kitchen sink in a later arc.

joshvox
07-25-2017, 09:44 PM
Thought I'd make my first post here a reply to this topic. Thanks for having me.

#1 Mirage Volume One. Some of the best story lines I've ever seen in any sort of fiction.

#2 IDW. Some lows, but so many highs.

#3 1990 Movie. I still find it amazing that we got a movie of this quality. Especially considering the follow-ups.

#4 FW. A lot of fun and a lot of garbage. But I might not be a fan today without it.

#5 Nick. Waaay too many monster of the weeks, but I am often pleasantly surprised by the quality of this show.

#6 TMNT movie. Such an odd choice for a movie but I liked it.

#7 All other movies. Some good memories of Ooze and III, but they are just poor efforts. I will watch the Bay movies occasionally, but Peter Laird says they aren't really ninja turtle movies and I think he'd know.

I'm behind on cartoons so I haven't seen much of the 4kids show yet. Finishing up Nick first. Never seen next mutation. I'd like to read the Image books and more of the other volumes of the comics.

Ulisa
07-25-2017, 11:44 PM
Let's see:

1: Fred Wolf Series/4kids Series--I have to rank these two together because honestly, I like them both about the same and they are the version I revisit the most. I like the characterization in the Fred Wolf Series and I'm fond of the wacky out-there adventures but I also love the more epic and darker tales in the 4kids series. I have my gripes with each series but I also have my joys so they are tied in my mind.

2: Original Movies 1-3--I probably watch Movie 2 the most but I love Movie 1 and Movie 3 as well. If I HAD to rank the movies, the first one is probably the best and 2 and 3 I would tie. Yes, 3 has its problem but I do enjoy it, especially since Mike gets a bit of a character arc in it.

3: Archie--Still catching up on some of these but these really took what I loved about the Fred Wolf series and evolved it into a more mature storyline, though without getting TOO dark. It introduced some great characters and I can't wait to get the rest of it.

4: TMNT--This just doesn't feel like it fits with the rest of the movies so I rank it by itself. I love the animation here but unless you're Raph or Leo, you're kinda pushed to the sidelines which I never like. Likewise, I felt Leo came off as a pompous ass in this one.

5: NICK Series--I'm iffy on the Nick series. Some episodes are amazing but some are just down right horrible. I'm still not a fan of the animation style though I've gotten used to it. Season 5 has actually been my favorite season thus far. The way they write Mike in this series just bothers me, given he's my favorite.

6: IDW--I've only read a little of these but I did like the mixed elements. However, it almost works to its disadvantage at times where the stories almost feel crowded. However, since I have only read a few of these, this might change as I read more.

7: PD Movies--I definitely prefer the second one. I view these as an interesting idea that could have been done well had they had better writers. There is some interesting "starting" points here and I have to admit, there were a few scenes in the second one that I really enjoyed. First one, I liked once the turtles were introduced. I still can't see Megan Fox as April O'Neil. That's not April; that Megan Fox.

8: COOTS/Next Mutation-- COOTS is utterly cheesy but you know, I don't mind a bit of cheese now and then. It's not something I would watch routinely but given how high the turtle mania was when it came out, I can forgive it. And some of those songs will stick in my head. Next Mutation I give points for having some interesting ideas that just weren't executed well.

9: Mirage--Okay, first off, no, I don't think Mirage is bad. It has some great storylines and obviously, it started everything but it just isn't for me. I really can't even tell you why. It's just never sucked me in like the other incarnations have.

I've never read Image so I can't give any impression on that.

Powder
07-25-2017, 11:58 PM
There should be a special prison for the people who rank Mirage lower than the Platinum Dunes movies. :tlol:

TurtleWA
07-26-2017, 12:22 AM
There should be a special prison for the people who rank Mirage lower than the Platinum Dunes movies. :tlol:

Yes and in said prison this would be the standard rehabilitation program. Only I couldn't find bayturtles so bayformers will have to suffice.

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neatoman
07-26-2017, 04:44 AM
Let's see:

1: Fred Wolf Series/4kids Series--I have to rank these two together because honestly, I like them both about the same and they are the version I revisit the most. I like the characterization in the Fred Wolf Series and I'm fond of the wacky out-there adventures but I also love the more epic and darker tales in the 4kids series. I have my gripes with each series but I also have my joys so they are tied in my mind.

2: Original Movies 1-3--I probably watch Movie 2 the most but I love Movie 1 and Movie 3 as well. If I HAD to rank the movies, the first one is probably the best and 2 and 3 I would tie. Yes, 3 has its problem but I do enjoy it, especially since Mike gets a bit of a character arc in it.

3: Archie--Still catching up on some of these but these really took what I loved about the Fred Wolf series and evolved it into a more mature storyline, though without getting TOO dark. It introduced some great characters and I can't wait to get the rest of it.

4: TMNT--This just doesn't feel like it fits with the rest of the movies so I rank it by itself. I love the animation here but unless you're Raph or Leo, you're kinda pushed to the sidelines which I never like. Likewise, I felt Leo came off as a pompous ass in this one.

5: NICK Series--I'm iffy on the Nick series. Some episodes are amazing but some are just down right horrible. I'm still not a fan of the animation style though I've gotten used to it. Season 5 has actually been my favorite season thus far. The way they write Mike in this series just bothers me, given he's my favorite.

6: IDW--I've only read a little of these but I did like the mixed elements. However, it almost works to its disadvantage at times where the stories almost feel crowded. However, since I have only read a few of these, this might change as I read more.

7: PD Movies--I definitely prefer the second one. I view these as an interesting idea that could have been done well had they had better writers. There is some interesting "starting" points here and I have to admit, there were a few scenes in the second one that I really enjoyed. First one, I liked once the turtles were introduced. I still can't see Megan Fox as April O'Neil. That's not April; that Megan Fox.

8: COOTS/Next Mutation-- COOTS is utterly cheesy but you know, I don't mind a bit of cheese now and then. It's not something I would watch routinely but given how high the turtle mania was when it came out, I can forgive it. And some of those songs will stick in my head. Next Mutation I give points for having some interesting ideas that just weren't executed well.

9: Mirage--Okay, first off, no, I don't think Mirage is bad. It has some great storylines and obviously, it started everything but it just isn't for me. I really can't even tell you why. It's just never sucked me in like the other incarnations have.

I've never read Image so I can't give any impression on that.

Mirage below the stage show, Next Mutation and the Platinum Dunes movies, while IDW's comics rank right above them but below the Archie comic and literally all of the other movies...

...That's an unusual opinion to say the least, I know the Archie comic has it's defenders but it's odd to see someone rank it (along with TMNT III and the PD movies) higher than the two more critically acclaimed comics...

CyberCubed
07-26-2017, 07:56 AM
The best issues of Mirage are the best of anything, but the rest of Mirage is just kinda there. As I said, the second volume of Tales has 70 issues and less than half of them are really memorable or important. Volume 2 and 4 also stretched out simple plotlines over multiple issues instead of telling a condensed story in half the time.

Still nothing beats Mirage #1-11, Return to New York, or City at War.

Ulisa
07-26-2017, 10:12 AM
Well, I recognize my opinion is unusual. Though, I would like to reinterate that I ranked them based on personal enjoyment and how often I revisit them and not necessarily on which ones had the better plot/characters etc. For a franchise, if I'm ranking best to least best, that's generally how I rank it--rewatch/reread value.

I completely agree that Mirage has some of the best storylines but for whatever reason, I could never get into it. I'm not sure if it's the writing style or the tone or what but I just couldn't enjoy it as much as the others. It may be the overall buttersweetness of it; I've never been a fan of realistically sad endings.

pferreira
07-27-2017, 05:22 PM
Not my personal favourites list, being objective:

Mirage (bar maybe Volume 3)
Fred Wolf cartoon
1990 movie
1991 movie
2003 cartoon
Archie
2016 movie
2007 movie
1993 movie
2014 movie
Next Mutation
Volume 3

Haven't really seen the Nick series or read IDW or Dreamwave enough so can't comment on those.

Rooish
07-30-2017, 04:22 PM
This is super difficult! But I'll give it a try.

1) Mirage Volume 1, at least when it was at its best.
2) 1990 movie. I know it was pretty goofy, but it cemented the TMNT as something more than a goofy series with no character development into my childhood mind. It introduced me, and a generation of kids, to a deeper darker side of the Turtles.
3) 2003 series. Particularly when it stopped adapting Mirage issues and became its own thing.
4) IDW. I love IDW but the Nickelodeon influence on the character designs and the no-kill policy really hurts it. I sweat the Turtles do sometimes kill on the Nick show? Off screen? But I guess we can't have that.
5) Image. Although I hated the crossovers and the sexism and the cavalier Turtle personalities of the earlier issues, the series got really good at character development for the Turtles as it went.
6) Mirage Vol. 2 & 4. Decompressed character driven storytelling that unfortunately never went anywhere, but was pretty good while it lasted.
7) Nick cartoon. The voice acting is great, some plot lines are awesome, but it gets bogged down with uninspired ideas. The first season was the best although I did not like Raph's sociopathic tendencies.
8 ) Fred Wolf cartoon, for bringing the a turtles to so many people. I find it really boring and unwatchable now, though.
9) Archie? I wasn't a huge fan as I read it only as an adult. It's too preachy. The Dreamland thing was awesome but even it was preachy. The series was the Don and Raph show. However, the art was awesome, especially Chris Allen's iconic stuff.
10) Secret of the Ooze and the third movie. Both are enjoyable but the Secret of the Ooze had Vanilla Ice and the third movie had **** suits.
11) Next mutation I guess?
12) TMNT. Really awful except the animation, which was amazing.
13) PD movies.
14) Turtle Christmas, Out of their shells, and similar nonsense
15) Dreamwave

PizzaPower1985
10-16-2017, 11:47 AM
IDW is the top for me. Tom Waltz blows me away the way Alan Moore did when I read his Swamp Thing run. This is the definitive TMNT in my book.

Then comes the 1990 movie... the tone of that film makes it one of my favorite movies of all time.

3rd would be TMNT 2K3. But I only like the first four seasons.

Lastly but certainly not least is the Mirage Volume 1 (the Eastman and Laird stuff) and Tales Vol. 1. I prefer April as a scientist or science student (as in IDW)

I (kind of) like the 87 show's first season maybe slightly. I like what the 87 show did for its popularity and the aesthetics that it brought to TMNT.

The rest is just not my bag. I'm not really the audience for silliness.

2K3
10-16-2017, 02:45 PM
1 - IDW Comics: The DEFINITIVE TMNT EXPERIENCE! NUFF SAID!!!
2 - 2003 Series: Seasons 1-5 are the best in my opinion! The Introduction to main-stayers like Hun and Bishop are major reasons for loving this series. Plus it expanded aspects from the original mirage comics to GREATER heights.
3 – 1990 Feature Film: The ONLY worthy TMNT film; II-III were too kid-friendly, CGI a bit to off-topic and the less said about the Bay films the better (even if they brought Krang, Stockman , Bebop and Rocksteady to the big screen).
4 - Adventure Comics: To be fair, I haven’t read all of these comics, but certain storys (Future Shark Trilogy/ Terracide) and characters (Mighty Mutanimals, Null and Armaggon) make this a VERY interesting universe.
5 - 1987 Series: First series I ever watched, but looking back at it, only Seasons 1-2 and 7-8 are worth the watch; the rest is just too SILLY.
6 - Mirage Comics: The original TMNT… just stick to the original volume/ tales and ignore must of the Guest Era.
7 - 2012 Series: I only liked Season 1; after the original writers left, the plot went all over the place.
8 - Next Mutation: Interesting original characters… just WAYYYYY too "Power Rangers" for my taste.

Panda_Kahn_fan
10-16-2017, 06:24 PM
My list (based on Preference, not quality)

-IDW turtles
-Fred Wolf
-original film/ secret of the ooze/IMAGI film
-4kids series
-Archie
-Mirage/Image
-2012 series
-Next mutation
-Bay films
-TMNT 3
-coming out of their shells tour/Christmas tape/blue line vhs

PizzaPower1985
10-19-2017, 03:44 PM
I do like Secret of the Ooze until Vanilla Ice shows up... then I fast forward to Super Shredder and am further disappointed by how he is defeated or defeats himself.

CyberCubed
10-19-2017, 04:43 PM
7 - 2012 Series: I only liked Season 1; after the original writers left, the plot went all over the place.


The original writers didn't leave, you're talking about directors. Ciro was there for the entire show. I also don't see how the plot was all over the place, they basically condensed 30 years of TMNT history into one show and wrapped up all the major character arcs.

Prowler
10-19-2017, 08:53 PM
Screw BayTurtles. And I don't care for The Next Mutation either.

haven't really seen much of the Nick series so can't really judge it.

The rest is fine by me for the most part. They all have things going for them, and my preference changes according to my mood.