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AlZarkovski
07-24-2017, 11:34 PM
Preview here (http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/1707/25/tmntusagi1.htm).

DestronMirage22
07-24-2017, 11:40 PM
Always a treat seeing Usagi in color, even though I would've preferred it in black in white.
Preview doesn't get much into the story, but it does leave me wanting more! Can't wait for it to come out already!! :)

Mayhem
07-25-2017, 03:31 AM
If you've read the first three issues from the Mirage Usagi series, then you may recognise the character that's about to appear ;)

Nortock Diab
07-25-2017, 04:22 AM
If you've read the first three issues from the Mirage Usagi series, then you may recognise the character that's about to appear ;)

The Splinter-like character?

funatic
07-26-2017, 08:55 AM
Bummed to hear the special HC edition of this is delayed until late September! Maybe it was a clever ploy since it forced to me to double dip. Luckily my LCS is awesome and sold me the David Petersen variant for cover price. [puts on gloves and delicately opens to first page...]

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
07-26-2017, 10:00 AM
Jei didn't really do much, did he?

I've been disappointed a little that Usagi Yojimbo doesn't seem to be wrapping up the Jei storyline. Is this particular villain never going to be defeated?

oldmanwinters
07-26-2017, 10:38 AM
Does this printing include a reprint of the first TMNT/Usagi crossover or will that be exclusive to the hardcover?

dawwe
07-26-2017, 12:27 PM
Does this printing include a reprint of the first TMNT/Usagi crossover or will that be exclusive to the hardcover?

It does not seem like it was included in the normal issue.

And it does seem like I was right about the Donatello arm thing simply being a mistake in the coloring on the cover. No sign of any armguards in the entire issue and the arms are green as usual. Unless someone wants to argue that he was only supposed to have them on that specific cover.

myconius
07-26-2017, 12:44 PM
i really love how Stan Sakai handles all the fight scenes.
the way the Leo/Usagi duel was done really put a smile. :D

neatoman
07-26-2017, 01:04 PM
So I guess it's finally been confirmed that Kakera is indeed Splinter's counterpart in Usagi's world, rather than just a character invocative of Splinter?

myconius
07-26-2017, 06:18 PM
So I guess it's finally been confirmed that Kakera is indeed Splinter's counterpart in Usagi's world, rather than just a character invocative of Splinter?

has it actually been confirmed? i wasn't really sure.

ToTheNines
07-26-2017, 06:42 PM
So I guess it's finally been confirmed that Kakera is indeed Splinter's counterpart in Usagi's world, rather than just a character invocative of Splinter?

Well "kakera" is Japanese for "splinter", so...

CyberCubed
07-26-2017, 07:47 PM
This was pretty good for the first TMNT/Usagi crossover in years. Typical Usagi story with the Turtles guest starring that played into Japanese mythology. The color was great.

Hopefully we do get a long crossover between the two again in the future.

ChosenOne
07-26-2017, 07:53 PM
This was pretty good for the first TMNT/Usagi crossover in years. Typical Usagi story with the Turtles guest starring that played into Japanese mythology. The color was great.

Hopefully we do get a long crossover between the two again in the future.

And hopefully with art by Santolouco. Nothing against Sakai, quite the contrary, but anyone who's seen Santolouco's Usagi will understand.

As for the crossover itself, I enjoyed it for what it was. Particularly nice as a one-two combo with last Sunday's episode of the cartoon.

myconius
07-26-2017, 08:00 PM
i loved the Sakai art.

Nortock Diab
07-27-2017, 01:15 AM
A pleasant issue to read: good team-up, Sakai art in colour, Japanese background, references to past issues and a glimpse of the multiverse.

I only wish more was addressed regarding the multiverse and the possible implications.
IDW Turtles do not explore the fact that Usagi knows another version of them.
Don't they mind?

I'm glad my store sold me the Petersen cover at cover price :tgrin:.

Mayhem
07-27-2017, 03:46 AM
I've been disappointed a little that Usagi Yojimbo doesn't seem to be wrapping up the Jei storyline. Is this particular villain never going to be defeated?
Well Jei is the deity, not the physical host... this IS the third person that has been occupied by "him" now since Usagi began... one being Inazuma of course.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
07-27-2017, 08:38 AM
Well Jei is the deity, not the physical host... this IS the third person that has been occupied by "him" now since Usagi began... one being Inazuma of course.

I know, but at this point, it feels like this particular villain (the demon, not the host) will never be vanquished.

I like seeing storylines progress, climax, and then finish, so I get if that's not how Sakai is going to do this... it just makes it a little frustrating for me personally.

CyberCubed
07-27-2017, 11:37 AM
Jei's been around for nearly 30 years, since practically the start of the Usagi series. He's the main recurring villain basically, he probably won't ever be stopped for good until the series ends.

Usagi Yojimbo comics are written like anime/manga that go on forever.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
07-27-2017, 12:31 PM
Jei's been around for nearly 30 years, since practically the start of the Usagi series. He's the main recurring villain basically, he probably won't ever be stopped for good until the series ends.

Usagi Yojimbo comics are written like anime/manga that go on forever.

Wait, wow... 30 years?

See, I only binge-read the whole run last year. :tlol: I forgot how long it had been around.

Still, though... a little closure would be nice. :tgrin: I wonder if Sakai has a final ending in mind?

funatic
07-27-2017, 12:43 PM
Still, though... a little closure would be nice. :tgrin: I wonder if Sakai has a final ending in mind?

Senso was kind of an ending. Or at least a possible future timeline ending.

Andrew NDB
07-27-2017, 12:45 PM
*looks at preview pages*

Looks like Usagi is having to pull punches at IDW? Isn't he usually lopping off hands and arms and heads, that sort of thing?

funatic
07-27-2017, 01:00 PM
*looks at preview pages*

Looks like Usagi is having to pull punches at IDW? Isn't he usually lopping off hands and arms and heads, that sort of thing?

Didn't seem too toned down. I mean, he killed a guy on the first page. Maybe in the 80s usagi had a little more... dismemberment, but the death and gore has always been pretty cartoony.

Andrew NDB
07-27-2017, 01:03 PM
Didn't seem too toned down. I mean, he killed a guy on the first page.

Did he? It just looks like he is smacking them around with his sword. Or is there a different first page than what's in the preview?

Maybe in the 80s usagi had a little more... dismemberment, but the death and gore has always been pretty cartoony.

Sure, but I remember it being like Groo... not a lot of/any blood, but a lot of limbs flying frequently. Or did Sakai stop doing that later on in his run?

funatic
07-27-2017, 01:14 PM
Did he? It just looks like he is smacking them around with his sword. Or is there a different first page than what's in the preview?

Yeah, anytime there's a skull in a speech bubble it denotes death. The Sakai Guarantee.


Sure, but I remember it being like Groo... not a lot of/any blood, but a lot of limbs flying frequently. Or did Sakai stop doing that later on in his run?

It's been a few years since I've read any Usagi (except for Senso which was admittedly pretty violent, but kind of a special case)... but for the most part I don't remember too many limbs flying in the last decade or so. Mostly just a lot of "oofs" and "urks" and skull-balloons galore! It's kind of fascinating how violent a comic it can be and still straddles the family-friendly zone. :trazz:

Mayhem
07-27-2017, 01:47 PM
Some of the very early stories had blood spurts and severed heads, but it's mostly toned down from that since the late 80s. As noted, if you see the skull in a bubble, the character is dead.

myconius
07-27-2017, 01:59 PM
Some of the very early stories had blood spurts and severed heads, but it's mostly toned down from that since the late 80s. As noted, if you see the skull in a bubble, the character is dead.

i thought those skulls within word bubbles signifying mortal expiration were pretty neat. :D

Allio
07-27-2017, 02:00 PM
Now that I think about it, isn't it only the Archie Turtles that never met Usagi?

CyberCubed
07-27-2017, 02:01 PM
Now that I think about it, isn't it only the Archie Turtles that never met Usagi?

Yep. Oddly enough Stan Sakai drew one of the Archie specials stories, the one with Headrush. But Usagi did not appear.

ToTheNines
07-27-2017, 02:25 PM
Now that I think about it, isn't it only the Archie Turtles that never met Usagi?

Them and all the movie turtles, yup.

DrSpengler
07-29-2017, 05:26 PM
Here's my full summary and review of TMNT/Usagi Yojimbo #1 at TMNT Entity. (https://tmntentity.blogspot.com/2017/07/tmntusagi-yojimbo-1.html)

Man, 24 years since the last real comics crossover between these two (not counting those pin-ups in the back of Tales). I hope we don't have to wait that long to get another.

While the 40 pages went by quick, I always feel like I get my money's worth out of Sakai's artwork. The battle scenes are always fun to go over with care because there's so much energy in the body language and layouts; I love seeing how all the blows connect and which ones landed are "killer" and which ones aren't. It's just good comics.

Enjoying this big TMNT/Usagi multimedia push we're getting at the moment, with comics, cartoons and toys. I've a feeling it'll be over soon since the cartoon's on its way out, so I'm gonna savor it while I can.

MikeandRaph87
07-29-2017, 05:37 PM
Here's my full summary and review of TMNT/Usagi Yojimbo #1 at TMNT Entity. (https://tmntentity.blogspot.com/2017/07/tmntusagi-yojimbo-1.html)

Man, 24 years since the last real comics crossover between these two (not counting those pin-ups in the back of Tales). I hope we don't have to wait that long to get another.

While the 40 pages went by quick, I always feel like I get my money's worth out of Sakai's artwork. The battle scenes are always fun to go over with care because there's so much energy in the body language and layouts; I love seeing how all the blows connect and which ones landed are "killer" and which ones aren't. It's just good comics.

Enjoying this big TMNT/Usagi multimedia push we're getting at the moment, with comics, cartoons and toys. I've a feeling it'll be over soon since the cartoon's on its way out, so I'm gonna savor it while I can.

I like how the comic debuted in-between the two parter with Usagi in the Nicktoin.

Did it read way too fast for anyone else? It seemed quick and to the point with little dialogue.

CyberCubed
07-29-2017, 05:46 PM
That's how most Usagi comics read, besides a few of them that are dialogue heavy like the police mystery ones with the inspector.

Panda_Kahn_fan
07-30-2017, 05:20 AM
*looks at preview pages*

Looks like Usagi is having to pull punches at IDW? Isn't he usually lopping off hands and arms and heads, that sort of thing?

No, not really. I've been following the series for some time, and while Usagi does kill a lot of bandits and ruffians, there haven't been a lot of severed limbs or heads, though there have been a few, when the story called for it. Sakai represents death in the comic with the little cartoon skull coming from the dead warriors Usagi has killed. This comic has never really been that graphic. The dark and mature themes comes from the storytelling, like a rich man's mother murdering him because he treats his employees and servants wickedly, then the mother asking Usagi to kill her; the whole thing takes place off-panel, making the scene more powerful.

But no, the Usagi Yojimbo comics have never really been as graphic as, say Mirage TMNT, though the themes can be just as dark. This here in the crossover is just about how graphic the comic gets most of the time, though occasionally we might get a severed limb or head, and usually it's more catoony looking.

Powder
08-01-2017, 05:51 PM
A pleasant issue to read: good team-up, Sakai art in colour, Japanese background, references to past issues and a glimpse of the multiverse.

I only wish more was addressed regarding the multiverse and the possible implications.
IDW Turtles do not explore the fact that Usagi knows another version of them.
Don't they mind?


Mmm, while very enjoyable, it felt a bit rushed, especially due to all of that potential being pointed out yet not touched upon. But overall a cool read with great art typical of Master Sakai.

DrSpengler
08-01-2017, 06:45 PM
It seems like the IDW Turtles are always on the fringe of finding out about their alternate versions, but they're always one step removed. Like in Bebop & Rocksteady Destroy Everything, they meet the same Savanti Romero that fought the Mirage Turtles and we even get a flashback to the Mirage Turtles, but the IDW TMNT never meet them. And in the TMNT/Usagi Yojimbo one-shot, they meet a character who knows the Mirage Turtles quite well, but again, still haven't met their progenitors.

They probably never will; I think Curnow has said that he doesn't want to do anything direct with the Mirage TMNT out of respect. But we might get more of these "ships passing in the night" moments.

Utrommaniac
08-01-2017, 06:56 PM
Renet outright tells them that there's more than one version of themselves, though.

myconius
08-01-2017, 07:13 PM
They probably never will; I think Curnow has said that he doesn't want to do anything direct with the Mirage TMNT out of respect. But we might get more of these "ships passing in the night" moments.

i really like Bobby's way of thinking on this.

DestronMirage22
09-13-2017, 11:48 PM
So I finally managed to get this issue.
I know; pretty late to the game, but I'm just happy I was able to get it at all.

It was good.
I honestly expected it to be better since it's the first time in years that Usagi's crossovered with any version of the TMNT. The story felt kind of short (and I don't think it justifies the increased price) and I'm a bit disappointed we didn't get to see more personal interactions between Usagi and the guys. And they sort of glossed over the fact that Usagi suddenly met new versions of his friends (a small mention and a quick tussle wasn't exactly enough). But Sakai's art was as great as it always is, and Jei is still the same character I like, so it definitely has that going for it.

Bruz
10-03-2017, 12:07 PM
I liked it as far as Stan Sakaiís style goes, but I think we need one more IDW TMNT/Usagi crossover, this time by the IDW writers/artists.

Every crossover has Sakaiís complete control it seems. Iíd love to see Usagi drawn by one of the main IDW illustrators and involved in a story in the turtles world, instead of them being dragged back to his world (again).

ChosenOne
10-03-2017, 12:20 PM
I liked it as far as Stan Sakaiís style goes, but I think we need one more IDW TMNT/Usagi crossover, this time by the IDW writers/artists.

Every crossover has Sakaiís complete control it seems. Iíd love to see Usagi drawn by one of the main IDW illustrators and involved in a story in the turtles world, instead of them being dragged back to his world (again).

Agreed. Santolouco's Usagi is outrageously good, I really want to see that in canon one day.

Mutant Ninja Anole
10-04-2017, 08:04 AM
I liked it as far as Stan Sakaiís style goes, but I think we need one more IDW TMNT/Usagi crossover, this time by the IDW writers/artists.

Every crossover has Sakaiís complete control it seems. Iíd love to see Usagi drawn by one of the main IDW illustrators and involved in a story in the turtles world, instead of them being dragged back to his world (again).

Normally I'm fine with things like this but something about this gives me pause. That, at this point, seeing anyone but Sakai writing for Usagi in comic form seems, I don't know, 'sacrilegious' or something.

ToTheNines
10-04-2017, 03:37 PM
Peter Laird did it.

TurtleWA
10-10-2017, 04:59 PM
I'm so late to the party I think everyone has packed up and gone home:trazz:. But I was waiting for the HC. Sadly I can't double dip on everything. Anyways here are some of my thoughts.

The last panel on the fourth page was hilarious with the finger in the ear. The big center fold was an unexpected treat. The extras made this book worth every penny of the $11.99 I paid. The inclusion of the story outlines, thumbnail layouts and the first crossover between TMNT and Usagi being a few of my favorites.

Looking at the colors by Tom Luth was like cake for my eyeballs. I also enjoyed reading the afterward by Sakai. The image of a Catfish being used on emergency information in Japan was particularly cool to discover. And the Ciro Nieli page right before the afterword is fantastic.

Any fan that doesn't plan on grabbing this edition is definitely depriving themselves of a great time.

Mayhem
10-11-2017, 04:13 AM
I had the softcover for a while, but I only just got the hardcover this week. Didn't realise it would still be comic sized but that definitely helps storage! And I agree, all the extras are great, and well worth picking up this if no other edition. There's always a lot of fascination in Stan's creation process, and how he thumbnails out stories when writing. Some of us fans (hint hint!) have even been the subject of his thumbnail process :tcool:

Looking at the colors by Tom Luth was like cake for my eyeballs.
There was a time Tom did hand colouring as well, I consider myself fortunate to own a piece that was drawn and inked by Stan, and then hand coloured by Tom...

http://www.comicartfans.com/gallerypiece.asp?piece=873137

TurtleWA
10-11-2017, 12:23 PM
Some of us fans (hint hint!) have even been the subject of his thumbnail process :tcool:
Would you mind telling me a little more about this?

There was a time Tom did hand colouring as well, I consider myself fortunate to own a piece that was drawn and inked by Stan, and then hand coloured by Tom...

http://www.comicartfans.com/gallery piece.asp?piece=873137

brilliant!!!

Mayhem
10-11-2017, 04:53 PM
Would you mind telling me a little more about this?
At some conventions, Stan has put on a panel about Usagi. During said panel, he may go into his process for how he creates each issue, starting with research, plotting the story, breaking it down so it will fit into the requisite number of pages, and plotting out thumbnail sketches for how he is going to lay out the artwork for each panel. This way he can accurately fit the story into however much space he has got.

For the thumbnail part, he has often demonstrated this by taking a member of the audience and using them as the subject matter instead. So I was called upon one time as said subject matter, but given Stan knows me pretty well, he was able to just launch into the process without having to ask me any questions or pick an interest to cover :tgrin:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3432/3783591240_f83ca48d29.jpg

(yes, obviously I got to keep it!)

Having said that, it doesn't quite, almost but not quite, beat the fact I've actually been drawn in an issue of Usagi as well...!

TurtleWA
10-11-2017, 06:19 PM
At some conventions, Stan has put on a panel about Usagi. During said panel, he may go into his process for how he creates each issue, starting with research, plotting the story, breaking it down so it will fit into the requisite number of pages, and plotting out thumbnail sketches for how he is going to lay out the artwork for each panel. This way he can accurately fit the story into however much space he has got.

For the thumbnail part, he has often demonstrated this by taking a member of the audience and using them as the subject matter instead. So I was called upon one time as said subject matter, but given Stan knows me pretty well, he was able to just launch into the process without having to ask me any questions or pick an interest to cover :tgrin:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3432/3783591240_f83ca48d29.jpg

(yes, obviously I got to keep it!)

Having said that, it doesn't quite, almost but not quite, beat the fact I've actually been drawn in an issue of Usagi as well...!

Dude, that's awesome! Would you say the story depicted in the photo you just posted is an accurate representation?

Mayhem
10-12-2017, 03:16 AM
Dude, that's awesome! Would you say the story depicted in the photo you just posted is an accurate representation?
Well it was done at San Diego, so in the context of the event (and that I had bought a fair bit from Stan prior to that point), probably so :lol:

(the "Stan Sakai is a genius" part he does with everyone mind you!)

TurtleWA
10-12-2017, 12:47 PM
(the "Stan Sakai is a genius" part he does with everyone mind you!)

Sakai seems to have a great sense of humor. :)