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Vicky82
08-06-2017, 02:42 AM
The 3rd and final part of the Usagi arc

As they reach their destination, Usagi and the Turtles must help Kintaro fulfill his destiny.

It's now up on ITunes, so discuss away

Redworld96
08-06-2017, 02:56 AM
My favourite episode of third Arc by far. Loved the entire action.
Leo throws his Katana to Jei's Chest. Once more they dont censure those parts :lol:
But Jei dies falling from the bridge thanks to Usagi. And you can know he is really dead because animators did draw a skull of a dead wolf.
http://i.imgur.com/sZ617a4.png

Ninjinister
08-06-2017, 03:43 AM
Given all the talk of his immortality and his abilities in the books, I doubt he's really "dead" - even with the skull (I can't remember if they ever did that for Jei in the books). However, he might as well be, as he's obviously never showing up again.

Powder
08-06-2017, 03:49 AM
Now THAT, was worthy of following the first part of this arc. Masterfully done, damn. Can't believe they had the Neko Clan, in white & meowing, no less! :tlol:

Ninjinister
08-06-2017, 03:55 AM
"When you understand others, their strength can become yours."

This is such a great line.

Vicky82
08-06-2017, 04:01 AM
Great episode.

Loved the final fight and I like how everything went red so they could get away with things that should of been censored.

Jei ain't dead because he's immortal so he will just possess someone else body but I expect they have to be near him for him to do that.

I had a feeling that we don't see the turtles arrive home as we didn't see them leave.

As Usagi has the trinkets he can probably summon the Turtles again but as this is the last season, we won't see it. But fanfic writers probably can come up with an ideas.

Due to production order this is the final episode before the future arc so it's kind of sad that this is technically the last time we see the turtles as teenagers.

Redworld96
08-06-2017, 04:09 AM
Due to production order this is the final episode before the future arc so it's kind of sad that this is technically the last time we see the turtles as teenagers.

Probably in the first episode of the last arc, right at the beginning and before the temporary jump, we could see a scene of them as teenagers

Vicky82
08-06-2017, 04:21 AM
That moment when they were fighting those Ninja cats and one of them nearly cuts Mikey's arm off and we see him with out no arm (but he had it in his shell). I wonder if that's foreshadowing that Mikey isn't going to have no arm in the final.

Probably in the first episode of the last arc, right at the beginning and before the temporary jump, we could see a scene of them as teenagers

Yeah maybe

MarsicornYT
08-06-2017, 04:26 AM
Such an awesome episode! My favourite out of all them this arc. If only they did something more in the second episode then this arc would be perfect.

And for the people who say theres no character development since season 2, watch this episode. Kintaro turned from an annoying brat into such an awesome dude. I just wish Leo and Usagi connected on a higher level.

Vicky82
08-06-2017, 04:42 AM
I'm really surprised that they got away with Leo throwing his Katan into Jei's chest and you see it sticking out of his back and it was left like it for a couple of minutes while he was fighting Usagi.

I don't think the British Censors will like that. If they wouldn't show April putting the knife in Ho Chan chest in Chinatown Ghost Story I doubt they will show this. Find out on Friday when it's aired.

Redworld96
08-06-2017, 04:45 AM
Dude everyone has the season 5 in their respective countries, and in mine they have not even premiered it :ohwell:

Vicky82
08-06-2017, 04:55 AM
Dude everyone has the season 5 in their respective countries, and in mine they have not even premiered it :ohwell:

Maybe it's because they want to air it in production order.

newfan
08-06-2017, 04:55 AM
I'm really surprised that they got away with Leo throwing his Katan into Jei's chest and you see it sticking out of his back and it was left like it for a couple of minutes while he was fighting Usagi.

I don't think the British Censors will like that. If they wouldn't show April putting the knife in Ho Chan chest in Chinatown Ghost Story I doubt they will show this. Find out on Friday when it's aired.

It depends what they can get away with for the certificate too, it's usually PG but I noticed that the season 2 DVD set is a cert 12 (not sure of US rating).
Looking forward to catching up on the new eps this week.

Vicky82
08-06-2017, 05:10 AM
It depends what they can get away with for the certificate too, it's usually PG but I noticed that the season 2 DVD set is a cert 12 (not sure of US rating).
Looking forward to catching up on the new eps this week.

Yeah it's a 12 on 1 disc (the other 3 are PG), don't know which disc it is though.

12 and 12A for UK is PG13 for USA

Aaronardo
08-06-2017, 08:52 AM
This was leagues better than the second part, and about on par with the first one.

I really like how Kintaro unlocked his power, and how Leo had a bit of a hand in doing so by trying to have a real conversation with him. While it was an interesting twist that Kintaro had to give up selfishness to become the powerful being he had the potential to be, my favorite twist was that Jei never even let go of his control of the Turtles to begin with. It caught me completely off guard, but it made a lot of sense.

The dialogue was nothing great, but it was damn better than last week's train-explosion in this department. The action was excellent. I'm pretty sure this ep had more storyboarders credited at the beginning than the average episode, and it shows. The lighting, the shots, the pans, it all felt very cinematic especially at the climax. Usagi vs. Jei was easily my favorite part of the entire episode due to these factors as well as the fluid animation.

I really appreciated that the Turtles actually did something in this arc. They could have easily written it as a Usagi arc feat. the Turtles, but they give Jei the upper hand and, as previously mentioned, Leo is very instrumental to Kintaro unlocking his true power. The humor was nice here, no Season 1 by any means, but Mikey's spit coming back and hitting Raph did get a good laugh out of me as did most of the other jokes.

Overall, I'm really glad this show still had enough steam in it by this point to produce this ep and Yojimbo. Hopefully this can translate to future episodes of similar quality. But for now, I've got two episodes to gleefully rewatch.

Ashwolf
08-06-2017, 12:43 PM
love how wicked sweet this ep is!!! also dont think anyone else caught it yet but think its awesome how they got away w/ showing blood (or at least might be blood) during the red sky section, look closely at the spear tip

http://i.imgur.com/lfJsvT3.png

Aside from that, like how over the course of this arc, jei kept his control on them suppressed until the right moment, pretty sure thats why their heads hurt so much - it was a side effect of jeis influence on what he wanted

just caught something else that i think is weird.... in this second image, it looks like a tiny portion of jeis spirit is in or covering leos sword... and with how usagis eyes appear to slightly be glowing, anyone else think that jei MIGHT be in usagi?

http://i.imgur.com/BW1RbWR.png

Redworld96
08-06-2017, 01:02 PM
anyone else think that jei MIGHT be in usagi?

I would think that part of Jei's soul is now in Leo's katana (like a Horcrux) :lol:

neatoman
08-06-2017, 01:25 PM
anyone else think that jei MIGHT be in usagi?



Maybe...
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/4a/8f/28/4a8f28ef4d3ac59ba6531d510863cd70--usagi-yojimbo-image-comics.jpg

matteso586
08-06-2017, 01:41 PM
Sumo Kuma being the high priest brainwashed by Jei. I did not see that coming.

I knew that Jei referring the Turtles as his puppets will come back to haunt us.

Red cloud appearing, perfect set up for a showdown.

To be honest, I kinda wish to see Sumo Kuma have a surprised reaction to seeing Usagi and the Turtles alive.

I almost thought that there would be an avalanche in the snow mountain segment.

I wonder what would happen if Gennedy Tartakovsky was involved as a guest writer for this arc.

Vicky82
08-06-2017, 01:50 PM
I wonder if The red sky was a reference to the 80s turtles red sky seasons.

neatoman
08-06-2017, 01:58 PM
I wonder if The red sky was a reference to the 80s turtles red sky seasons.

A red sky just implies dusk or dawn, it would be a stretch to call it a reference.

PApagreg
08-06-2017, 02:09 PM
Thought this episode was alright, while there was some good stuff here and there, nothing in this episode really wowed me compared to Yojimbo. I thought Kintaro's development was a bit jarring and tacked on especially since we had 3 episodes of him acting like a spoiled brat. As for the crossover itself I'm kinda disappointed with it, my favorite part about the Usagi/TMNT crossovers is how Leo and Usagi interact and how the play off with one another but we rarely get to see them interact. So while I did enjoy "Yojimbo" the rest of the arc leaves a lot to be desired

CyberCubed
08-06-2017, 02:16 PM
Loved it, really impressed by the dialogue here too. Much better than last weeks, and the action sequences were superb. The fight on the snowy mountain with the Neko Ninja Clan, and the entire climax with Jei and the bear. Jei Vs. the Turtles and then Jei Vs. Usagi under the red sky was fantastic.

I only wish this could have been a 4 parter with one more ep in the middle of the arc, if only to see more Usagi. It's a bit bittersweet we didn't get him until the end of the show, if only because we won't get to see him again in this continuity.

Aaronardo
08-06-2017, 02:39 PM
I thought Kintaro's development was a bit jarring and tacked on especially since we had 3 episodes of him acting like a spoiled brat.

I agree, Kintaro had absolutely no development for the first two episodes, and thus the writers had to speed it up for this one making it go right by with no sense of passing time. One of my few problems with this one.

CyberCubed
08-06-2017, 02:46 PM
Well there were signs Kintaro didn't really mean what he was saying, it was the typical underage brat character who is nasty to everyone but in reality knows what everyone is saying is right. The camera focused on Kintaro lots of times in scenes showing him acknowledging his true feelings, etc.

FredWolfLeonardo
08-06-2017, 03:17 PM
Absolutely loved this episode, just as much as Yojimbo. I had a few problems with the 2nd episode but this one I think improved upon everything from Osoroshi Na Tabi.

The fight scenes were great, especially towards the end of the episode.

Kintaro was funny and cute as usual, and I liked him achieving his true power at the end of the episode.

But most of all, I loved the art style throughout the episode, and the pure red sky sequence at the end was absolutely beautiful.

10/10, no complaints.

TurtleTitan97
08-06-2017, 03:28 PM
An awesome finale to an awesome story arc.

CyberCubed
08-06-2017, 04:37 PM
Usagi really needs his own cartoon. It's mind blowing in 30 years its never happened.

neatoman
08-06-2017, 04:44 PM
Usagi really needs his own cartoon.

Not really, I fear what would happen if Stan completely let someone else handle his characters unrestricted.

PApagreg
08-06-2017, 07:26 PM
Well there were signs Kintaro didn't really mean what he was saying, it was the typical underage brat character who is nasty to everyone but in reality knows what everyone is saying is right. The camera focused on Kintaro lots of times in scenes showing him acknowledging his true feelings, etc.

I'm just saying we should've seen a middle ground between blue blooded snot to high fiveing Mikey.

ToTheNines
08-06-2017, 07:32 PM
Not really, I fear what would happen if Stan completely let someone else handle his characters unrestricted.

Yeah, we were talking about this at the comic book store the other day. One of the guys said Sakai should make a show, but I pointed out that he's always worked at his own pace and would never want to be a full time show runner working untold hours a week out of a studio in Burbank.

Then we imagined how many ways the wrong hands could bastardized Usagi. I'm sure we barely scratched the surface.

Jester
08-06-2017, 07:37 PM
I think if they got show runners who understood Usagi and worked closely with Stan it could work.

TigerClaw
08-07-2017, 02:00 PM
I thought it was a great final for the Usagi arc, Kintaro started off as a bratty kid, but in the end he turned out alright, and Usagi was fantastic.

Autbot_Benz
08-07-2017, 03:56 PM
Really enjoyed the Usagi arc so I went to my Library and found this

http://i.imgur.com/lqCgAoN.jpg

ToTheNines
08-07-2017, 03:58 PM
Cool. I encourage you to stick with it. It doesn't get really good until like book 6 or so of the Fantagraphics collections.

CyberCubed
08-07-2017, 04:00 PM
I have all 31 books of Usagi, plus Yokai, Senso and Space Usagi except Books 22-23 which are rare and out of print, and I don't want to buy a used copy.

I can't believe Usagi has been going on 30 years with Stan Sakai himself drawing and writing every single issue. This is something manga artists in Japan do, but it's unheard of for an American comic book. Even Peter/Kevin stopped drawing/writing Mirage themselves very early on...like at issue 16.

marcelangelo
08-07-2017, 04:23 PM
Cool. I encourage you to stick with it. It doesn't get really good until like book 6 or so of the Fantagraphics collections.

sometimes if you don't know for sure, its better to shut up and say nothing....

usagi book 1 which is pictured there has a few very prescious moments in usagi's tale (mariko, frst encounter with gen, tomoe and lord noriykui, the neko ninja, etc).
overall it collects the first few published stories of usagi that appeared in albedo and critters.
book 2 already collects the start if usagi's own series and is incredible!it's the samurai story arch, which recounts how usagi came to be in is position as a ronin.book 3 delivers the first meeting with jei for example and book 4 has the long story the dragon bellow conspiracy in it.

what I want to say with this is simply this:
there is no not-good usagi tpb out there.
so, don't tell someone new to usagi that the good stuff only starts somewhere later.I hate this, because it not only neglects some wonderful comics, but you're ******** on the guy who found this beat up copy of usagi book 1 at the library and wanted to share this with us..what's wrong with you, man?

Autbot_Benz
08-07-2017, 04:37 PM
sometimes if you don't know for sure, its better to shut up and say nothing....

usagi book 1 which is pictured there has a few very prescious moments in usagi's tale (mariko, frst encounter with gen, tomoe and lord noriykui, the neko ninja, etc).
overall it collects the first few published stories of usagi that appeared in albedo and critters.
book 2 already collects the start if usagi's own series and is incredible!it's the samurai story arch, which recounts how usagi came to be in is position as a ronin.book 3 delivers the first meeting with jei for example and book 4 has the long story the dragon bellow conspiracy in it.

what I want to say with this is simply this:
there is no not-good usagi tpb out there.
so, don't tell someone new to usagi that the good stuff only starts somewhere later.I hate this, because it not only neglects some wonderful comics, but you're ******** on the guy who found this beat up copy of usagi book 1 at the library and wanted to share this with us..what's wrong with you, man?

My Library is weird they had book one than all the other Usagi ones where vol 16 and up. They are missing books 2-14

ToTheNines
08-07-2017, 04:40 PM
Don't be a bitch, Marcel. I'm a big Usagi fan too. I've just known several people that have had trouble getting into it when starting from the beginning and I always encourage them to at least make it to "Circles".

Powder
08-07-2017, 04:42 PM
sometimes if you don't know for sure, its better to shut up and say nothing....

Take your own advice. He's entitled to an opinion. The early material is rough by comparison, that's a fact, even if it's still good.

IndigoErth
08-08-2017, 01:23 AM
Wow. Finally caught it. The Turtles have had plenty of good moments, but I'd say the animation direction in this one is among the highlights of the series in that regard. Writing was top notch as well. :D

marcelangelo
08-08-2017, 06:22 AM
Don't be a bitch, Marcel. I'm a big Usagi fan too. I've just known several people that have had trouble getting into it when starting from the beginning and I always encourage them to at least make it to "Circles".

okay, for a moment there it seemed like you were saying that the early books were kinda rubbish:)sorry, didn't want to tear yo head off actually...
I don't understand however how new readers wouldn't be hyped after reading samurai...its such a nice story with great art and atmosphere etc..
sure later material is often more complex or diverse but these are top notch comics.
@powder, I don't see everything from samurai up as 'rough'.. rogh in what regard?

@autobot benz
I advise you to get every usagi book you can find.they are all written in such a way that you can get into everything pretty easily.
if you want to buy them be on the lookout for the uy special edition reprinting all the fantagraphics material (that would be the first 8 books), it has more than 1000 pages of classic usagi and has been rereleased recently with a new slipcase and all..

CyberCubed
08-08-2017, 12:41 PM
Usagi is written in a way you can jump in at any time. I got/read all the Usagi books out of order when I was originally tracking them down and they're easy to get into. Usagi is basically episodic with only loose continuity going on throughout it so it doesn't matter where you jump in.

TheJ-manTurtleMan
08-08-2017, 05:04 PM
What does "Kagayke" mean? sorry if I'm being annoying with asking for all these translations.

JH24
08-08-2017, 05:14 PM
What does "Kagayke" mean? sorry if I'm being annoying with asking for all these translations.

Something like: Shine brightly, radiant. In the context (I think, not sure) that Kintaro finally finds his true self. Becoming a hero, a person who does the right thing. It's almost literal as well, as he appeared like a bright light when he released his powers.

ranger_scout
08-08-2017, 10:02 PM
What I enjoyed the most episode was Kintaro unlocking his powers and Usagi defeating Jei. Overall, this was a great arc.

Faster and Cheaper
08-09-2017, 01:34 PM
Odd somehow I posted this in the wrong episode thread. Posting late at night is not a good idea I see :lol: SO let's run this back.

Cool enough end that I had some issues with from a story perspective. Anyway this was production wise the last team Mikey episode. They did great and I know it wasn't easy with all the ponchos, they were a hassle to deal with.

I enjoyed the mountain pass fight sequence with the snow cat ninjas. I got flashbacks to the Caradhras scene from fellowship of the ring. The final fight was pretty good too. I had a slight issue with kintaros change of heart, I did see that they did little things to show he was warming up to him, yet he's threatening to have one of the boys to have his head chopped off. I wouldn't have minded that in the last two episodes but it slightly annoyed me here.

But the bigger issue I had was his sudden use of magic. I figured we'd see it with him being the golden child but just a few hints of it would have been nice. But I appreciated the fact he just didn't totally solve it with his magic. Also it was nice to see that Jei's mind control wasn't so easily defeated as it looked in episode 1 of the arc. I figured his visions in previous episodes were just him messing with them externally but he still had his claws in deeper.

Overall I enjoyed it but I think it needed the fourth part more. Would have given the adventure have a more epic feel since we are traveling to a whole new world, and it would have been nice to see more of a bond with usagi and Leo, and even more opportunity to see more yokai like oni. Overall I enjoyed it and too bad they didn't get Usagi in sooner in the shows run. I would have rather that than all those farm episodes lol.

neatoman
08-09-2017, 01:58 PM
Come to think of it, Kintaro, Sumo Kuma and that priestess(?) aren't actual Usagi characters, right? Just made up for this show? I could be wrong since I haven't read all of Usagi.

Seems kind of odd that the only real Usagi characters in these episodes are Jei and Usagi himself, seeing how the 4Kids show had at least six actual Usagi characters.

CyberCubed
08-09-2017, 02:23 PM
I'm honestly surprised they decided not to use Gen at all. They could have even made a Rocksteady joke like the 2k3 series did in that Season 4 ep.

BubblyShell22
08-09-2017, 02:36 PM
Awesome ending to this arc. I really enjoyed seeing it and loved how Leo talked to Kintaro and was able to get him to change in his own way. Loved the scene with the neko ninjas and the final fight with Usagi and Jei. I agree that it's bittersweet that we won't get to see Usagi again in this incarnation, but that is the way it is and fan fiction can always set that right.

Powder
08-09-2017, 05:17 PM
Come to think of it, Kintaro, Sumo Kuma and that priestess(?) aren't actual Usagi characters, right? Just made up for this show? I could be wrong since I haven't read all of Usagi.

Seems kind of odd that the only real Usagi characters in these episodes are Jei and Usagi himself, seeing how the 4Kids show had at least six actual Usagi characters.

I wonder if Sumo Kuma was originally gonna be Panda Khan until it was pointed out he's not owned by Viacom. Prolly not, but the design is similar.

Shark_Blade
08-10-2017, 08:59 AM
Like everyone said, it's a really good episode. Love the action, the dialogue, the settings etc. Much was improved from the dreadful second episode.

Am I the only one upset that Raph and Donnie didn't even gave one last glance to Usagi before going through the portal? After all the hardship and bonding.... then they just walked by ignoring him, without any goodbye - like he meant nothing to them??? :sad:

I wished they all hugged Usagi one last time since this is the last episode of the trilogy (and the last Ciro's TMNT season series). :cry: Oh well, I still love ya Yojimbo.

TheJ-manTurtleMan
08-12-2017, 11:30 AM
Such a good story, I wish we could have gotten one more episode, or at least a better episode than "Osoroshi no Tabi"
Here are some more of my thoughts :tsmile:
https://youtu.be/Yp1Y540Ar6Y

Vegita-San
08-12-2017, 01:49 PM
Two fun usagi episodes. One Totally pointless and out of place filler horror episode.

The middle act should have gone over the lessons the main villain thought the turtles where teaching the kid. that felt like it came totally out of nowhere.

Ninjinister
08-12-2017, 02:10 PM
Something like: Shine brightly, radiant. In the context (I think, not sure) that Kintaro finally finds his true self. Becoming a hero, a person who does the right thing. It's almost literal as well, as he appeared like a bright light when he released his powers.

It also seems to be a reference to an old J-Drama called Kagayake! Rintaro. I mean it's one letter difference so I'd be surprised if it isn't.

Though an American children's cartoon referencing a 12 episode drama from Japan released 22 years ago is a bit weird.

Glitter Wand
08-12-2017, 10:45 PM
This was the proper way to end this tale. I loved how Leo handled Kintaro. He was calm and kneeling to his level. The final showdown with Jei was amazing as well. I agree, it would have been very heartwarming for Usagi to have gotten some goodbye hugs, but the head munk informed the turtles the portal didn't stay open long. All and all, a powerful ending indeed.

THGhost
08-14-2017, 10:12 AM
Good episode. Only just got round to watching it and episode 10 due to the confusing episode numbers caused by some sites classifying When Worlds Collide as either 1 episode or 2 episodes.


I liked the snow ninjas. I'm guessing they're from the Yojimbo comics?
It's about time Kintaro proved himself. He was really getting on my nerves.
Surely Jei could tell that the turtles were no longer under his control?
Jei vs Usagi was great, albeit a little short.

Now THAT, was worthy of following the first part of this arc. Masterfully done, damn. Can't believe they had the Neko Clan, in white & meowing, no less! :tlol:

Agreed, the 2nd part didn't really gel with me.

So that's what they're called. Loved 'em. :tlol:

Powder
08-14-2017, 04:21 PM
So that's what they're called. Loved 'em. :tlol:

They're cool. It was a surprise to see them in white when they've always donned black dogi, but it was a dope look for their arctic escapades.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/square_small/4/48250/889918-neko_ninja.gif

ZacksSoUgly
08-20-2017, 11:46 AM
I loved this episode and thought it was a worthwhile conclusion to the Usagi arc. It definitely made up for the wackiness of "Osoroshi no Tabi".

Like some of you have already mentioned, I was also bummed that the goodbyes were cut short. There always seems to be this singling out of Leonardo whenever Usagi is involved, and although I understand they're connection and respect for one another, I feel that the other Turtles would look up to and admire Usagi as well. Mikey would look to him as a heroic ronin that he's probably read about in his comics/manga, Donnie would admire his cunning and masterful strategy, and Raph would appreciate his fierce combat skills.

Usagi was made out to be a total badass in this arc, and I loved it. Just wish we could've seen the Turtles show more appreciation, but I also understand there's a time constraint with the portal magic. All in all, this was a cool arc. Two out of three episodes were fantastic! I'm hoping when they put this to DVD that there's an option to watch it as one long movie. That would be so cool, and it would add to the effect of it feeling like an old samurai movie.

(P.S. *Shameless Self-Promotion* If you're interested in more discussion of these episodes, check out my podcast - link in my signature.)

PApagreg
08-22-2017, 11:26 PM
You know looking back not having a "Sword of the Stranger" reference is a huge missed opportunity, they could've had Usagi yelled "Out of my way" when he is trying to save Kintaro.

Whats extra funny is that the show already made a homage in season 1.

http://68.media.tumblr.com/1f3a139f7b54708f5155ef34afe09bb2/tumblr_mihn1w5Fq91r3x3y6o1_r1_500.gif

Klunk1234
09-04-2017, 11:15 AM
Great final to the Usagi arc. I wish the Turtles have more episodes with him.