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ZariusTwo
08-22-2017, 06:00 AM
So Joss Whedon is at the centre of fresh scandle following allegations from his traumatised ex wife of emotional manipulation and multiple affairs he had during their marriage. It's gotten so bad that the long-running Whedonesque website has been shut down.

https://www.newsarama.com/36044-joss-whedon-fan-site-shuts-down-after-ex-wife-s-allegations.html

TigerClaw
08-22-2017, 07:40 AM
I wonder how this is going to affect Warner Bros, since he's working on those reshoots for Justice League, and then do the Batgirl movie.

plastroncafe
08-22-2017, 07:59 AM
I really wish people who can't do monogamy would just own up to that. Cripes.

The Deadman
08-22-2017, 08:53 AM
Kinda humorous knowing that a lot of the time, these male feminists end up being creepier than the guys they're "protecting" the women from.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
08-22-2017, 09:03 AM
Sad.

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Krutch
08-22-2017, 09:13 AM
Kai Cole, who was married to Whedon from 1995 to 2016, wrote a guest blog on The Wrap that alleged the director had "multiple" affairs during their relationship and therefore wasn't really a feminist.
I don't understand. Can you not be a feminist and still struggle with monogamy?

TigerClaw
08-22-2017, 09:58 AM
Could these claims hurt Joss Whedon in the long run, if they are true?

plastroncafe
08-22-2017, 10:12 AM
I don't understand. Can you not be a feminist and still struggle with monogamy?

Having read the essay, I think the claim Kai is making is that the justifications he made while having the affairs...along with the betrayal of cheating in the first place, call his stated belief that "women are equal" into question.

Which I can see.
People can be liars and cowards and still be feminists.

snake
08-22-2017, 11:34 AM
Male feminist turns out to be a weirdo using it just to get closer to women? Who would've thought?

CyberCubed
08-22-2017, 11:40 AM
Joss Whedon and Bruce Timm seem like they're both self destructing as they've gotten older. All their secrets are coming out.

snake
08-22-2017, 11:47 AM
Dude, Bruce Timm drew an ass. Get over it. He's always drawn lewd stuff.

ZariusTwo
08-22-2017, 02:23 PM
Dude, Bruce Timm drew an ass. Get over it. He's always drawn lewd stuff.

Yeah, he's only really guilty of catching on to the fact all the kids that grew up with his stuff are old enough to be as pervy alongside him

Papenbrook
08-22-2017, 04:09 PM
Yeah, he's only really guilty of catching on to the fact all the kids that grew up with his stuff are old enough to be as pervy alongside him

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-mtCc1wK_BeE/VwsRQVms96I/AAAAAAAABE4/XniAStz0ykEUh91NwuXclw795Gx7IiT9Q/w800-h800/16%252520-%25252033%252520%25281%2529.jpg

Cure
08-22-2017, 04:43 PM
Are you having some sort of Sonic mental collapse?

snake
08-22-2017, 04:50 PM
Gotta shitpost fast!

ProactiveMan
08-22-2017, 07:20 PM
I wonder how this is going to affect Warner Bros, since he's working on those reshoots for Justice League, and then do the Batgirl movie.

I hear that Zack is back.

As far as Whedon’s politics are concerned, I don’t think emotional manipulation is an issue of gender equality. Everyone is capable and guilty of that – we learn how to do it when we’re babies. I have more of a problem with someone being judgemental, and proselytising about morality when they clearly have a lot of work to do on themselves, but I guess if hypocrisy was a crime we’d all be breaking rocks right now.

What is interesting to me is how often people who deal in super heroes turn out to be so morally challenged. They write stories about morality and virtue in its most simplistic and clear form, and at the same time they’re cheating their collaborators out of money, taking credit for other people’s work and treating their family like sh*t. Not to mention all the fascist nut-jobs and pervy sleaze-bags. Maybe that says something about oversimplifying morality.

The Deadman
08-22-2017, 08:50 PM
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-mtCc1wK_BeE/VwsRQVms96I/AAAAAAAABE4/XniAStz0ykEUh91NwuXclw795Gx7IiT9Q/w800-h800/16%252520-%25252033%252520%25281%2529.jpg

SHadow the Hedgehog is a pervert? No wonder he's so conflicted about things.

Krutch
08-23-2017, 11:19 AM
Could these claims hurt Joss Whedon in the long run, if they are true?
Not really. Will he lose a decent chunk of his hardcore fanbase? It's likely. But it will have literally zero impact on his career, professionally. He'll still get to direct blockbusters, produce television, and do whatever the hell he wants.

Having read the essay, I think the claim Kai is making is that the justifications he made while having the affairs...along with the betrayal of cheating in the first place, call his stated belief that "women are equal" into question.I'm still having a bit of a hard time grasping how one correlates to the other. People trip on their beliefs from time to time; does that immediately dissolve them of their label? We all have our weaknesses. We're all human. And this is coming from someone who is proud to say he's never cheated. But it's not like I don't understand the temptation, either.

We also need to keep in mind we know probably about 0.5 percent of everything thats been going on in the past 15 years behind closed doors. I wonder if it would change how people feel about this if we learned that his wife had also cheated multiple times during his long shoots away from home? We know so little about the ins and outs of their relationship.

And it's Hollywood, people. Not that it's an excuse in and of itself, but there's a common lifestyle that happens in the industry. You know how many actresses I've asked out to be told "Sure, but you should know, I have a boyfriend in (another city), but we're in an open relationship so I hope that's okay with you."

No doubt people will now begin combing through his work to find tiny little examples of Misogyny to cement their newfound opinion on the man whose same work they held as the gospel for the last 20 years.

I'd also like to say that if Whedonesque is shutting down because it's owner's opinion on the man changed overnight then that's hilariously sad.

Times like these I'm so glad I have the ability to separate art from the artist :roll:

TigerClaw
08-23-2017, 02:38 PM
Not really. Will he lose a decent chunk of his hardcore fanbase? It's likely. But it will have literally zero impact on his career, professionally. He'll still get to direct blockbusters, produce television, and do whatever the hell he wants.
He may lose a chunk of his fanbase, but I can see it also impact the box office for the movies he's directing, there would be those who won't see it cause of his involvement.

However Joss Whedon's supposed fanbase was a niche audience, so it won't have any affect at the box office.

plastroncafe
08-23-2017, 03:42 PM
I'm still having a bit of a hard time grasping how one correlates to the other. People trip on their beliefs from time to time; does that immediately dissolve them of their label? We all have our weaknesses. We're all human. And this is coming from someone who is proud to say he's never cheated. But it's not like I don't understand the temptation, either.

There's being tempted, there's following through on that temptation, and then there's blaming the temptation for the fall.


We also need to keep in mind we know probably about 0.5 percent of everything thats been going on in the past 15 years behind closed doors. I wonder if it would change how people feel about this if we learned that his wife had also cheated multiple times during his long shoots away from home? We know so little about the ins and outs of their relationship.

I'd feel the same way:
She's a liar and a coward for not asking for an open relationship.

And it's Hollywood, people. Not that it's an excuse in and of itself, but there's a common lifestyle that happens in the industry. You know how many actresses I've asked out to be told "Sure, but you should know, I have a boyfriend in (another city), but we're in an open relationship so I hope that's okay with you."

This isn't cheating.

No doubt people will now begin combing through his work to find tiny little examples of Misogyny to cement their newfound opinion on the man whose same work they held as the gospel for the last 20 years.

Begin? People have been doing this from damn near day one.
The guy is very fond of his tropes, and there are folks who are very VERY vocal about not liking those tropes.

I'd also like to say that if Whedonesque is shutting down because it's owner's opinion on the man changed overnight then that's hilariously sad.

It's my understanding that Whedonesque was beginning to wind down anyway, and this just cut that wind-down shorter.

The site was there to let people know what both Whedon, and the people he'd worked with, were up to. Given his popularity in Hollywood, it kind of became a rather sizable undertaking.

Times like these I'm so glad I have the ability to separate art from the artist :roll:

For me it's less being able to separate the art from the artist, and more being able to accept that my faves are problematic.

Finding out this guy is a douche in his personal life might give me pause, or it might taint things of his that I love...but I'll still likely watch what he makes. I think there's a huge difference between this situation and say that of Roman Polanski.

Though, I reserve the right to change this opinion at such time as more less than savory news comes out.


He may lose a chunk of his fanbase, but I can see it also impact the box office for the movies he's directing, there would be those who won't see it cause of his involvement.

However Joss Whedon's supposed fanbase was a niche audience, so it won't have any affect at the box office.

The bulk of his fanbase is female, and it's not like Hollywood makes a habit of catering to that demographic.

Andrew NDB
08-23-2017, 03:46 PM
Wasn't there a big fiasco about Whedon equating a sterile woman to a "monster" in the last Avengers movie that made him delete his Twitter and all after all the backlash? It still went on to make $1.4 billion dollars and is the second highest grossing MCU movie behind only the first Avengers.

This isn't going to do anything.

Wesley
08-23-2017, 03:54 PM
I'm not shocked by this, to be honest. I never really thought Joss Whedon was a feminist anyway as evidenced by the way the character of Cordelia Chase was written towards the end of the tv show Angel. I still have no problem being a fan of his work, though.

***First of Two Latin Kings***
08-23-2017, 04:23 PM
What's a feminist?

Krutch
08-23-2017, 04:27 PM
There's being tempted, there's following through on that temptation, and then there's blaming the temptation for the fall. Again, I think the line gets blurry here... If you say "It was the temptation that made me do it!" aren't you technically blaming yourself by saying "I was weaker than the temptation"? It's bit of a circular way of thinking...

This isn't cheating.Didn't say it was; merely stressing how common the lifestyle of having multiple partners in the film industry is.

Begin? People have been doing this from damn near day one.
The guy is very fond of his tropes, and there are folks who are very VERY vocal about not liking those tropes. Sorry, yeah, I meant his newly detached fanbase following this news. I know he's always had his haters.

It's my understanding that Whedonesque was beginning to wind down anyway, and this just cut that wind-down shorter. Ah, okay. I don't visit the site so I had no idea :P

Finding out this guy is a douche in his personal life might give me pause, or it might taint things of his that I love...but I'll still likely watch what he makes.I think there was a thread about this not too long ago... I generally conceded that unless there was an occurrence that was personally targeted against me, I have no problem consuming art or entertainment from whatever source it comes. A favourite youtuber of mine, Passion of the Nerd, posted this and pretty much sums up my feelings... I am of the belief that art, once it's shared, no longer belongs to the artist and is its own thing. I don't think any of what has come to light tarnishes Buffy, Angel, or Firefly and I try and stay out of news relating to celebrities personal lives. But like it or not, some of the complexity and nuance to Buffy is probably there BECAUSE Joss is a flawed and complicated individual.

Especially in the case of Whedon, where things like television and film have so many hands involved in the creative process.

plastroncafe
08-23-2017, 04:42 PM
Again, I think the line gets blurry here... If you say "It was the temptation that made me do it!" aren't you technically blaming yourself by saying "I was weaker than the temptation"? It's bit of a circular way of thinking...

At the end of the day it's just semantics, but to me blaming the temptation is like saying one had no control.
One has control, one just decided not to heed it.
It's...cowardly passing of the buck.

I'd expect better from a guy who's really vocal about being against the whole, "Guys just don't have self control. Amirite?" thing.

Didn't say it was; merely stressing how common the lifestyle of having multiple partners in the film industry is.

It's not just the film industry, but I catch your meaning.
The issue here isn't that he wanted to sleep around, it's that his committed lifepartner didn't give consent.

At very least that's a betrayal of trust, at most...he literally put her life in danger.



I think there was a thread about this not too long ago... I generally conceded that unless there was an occurrence that was personally targeted against me, I have no problem consuming art or entertainment from whatever source it comes. A favourite youtuber of mine, Passion of the Nerd, posted this and pretty much sums up my feelings...

Especially in the case of Whedon, where things like television and film have so many hands involved in the creative process.

For me it's a matter of money.
Do I want my money going into the pocket of someone I find abhorrent?

Krutch
08-23-2017, 04:54 PM
At the end of the day it's just semantics, but to me blaming the temptation is like saying one had no control.
One has control, one just decided not to heed it.
It's...cowardly passing of the buck.All fair points. Well said.
For me it's a matter of money.
Do I want my money going into the pocket of someone I find abhorrent?I can understand that reservation. But again, when speaking in terms of film or television where Joss doesn't get nearly every nickel and dime when someone buys a Buffy boxset, would you condemn the other producers and distributors by association?

I suppose there's always... http://www.unixstickers.com/image/cache/data/stickers/tpb/tpb_logowtype.sh-600x600.png

plastroncafe
08-23-2017, 05:07 PM
I can understand that reservation. But again, when speaking in terms of film or television where Joss doesn't get nearly every nickel and dime when someone buys a Buffy boxset, would you condemn the other producers and distributors by association?

I suppose there's always... http://www.unixstickers.com/image/cache/data/stickers/tpb/tpb_logowtype.sh-600x600.png

HA! That or the library. Or a streaming service.
Or....you could be like me old enough to already have all of Buffy, Angel, and Firefly on dvd.

ZariusTwo
08-24-2017, 09:00 AM
I'd also like to say that if Whedonesque is shutting down because it's owner's opinion on the man changed overnight then that's hilariously sad.

I read a bit of the comments section and the site's admin said there had been a plan to close the site for sometime, they just picked this incident to speed up the process.

Spike Spiegel
08-24-2017, 08:02 PM
Respect the creations, but remember that the creators are only human. And like many humans, they can often be assholes.

I met one of Marvel's top current writers when I was in college (not saying his name for the sake of not being petty) after inhaling a lot of stuff he did for DC during my childhood and early adolescence. He was a real dick in person, and
I got a strong vibe of elitism from him. It was kind of ironic to see him post a lot of SJW-oriented attacks directed towards various people on Twitter not too long after.

snake
08-24-2017, 08:04 PM
Respect the creations, but remember that the creators are only human. And like many humans, they can often be assholes.

I met one of Marvel's top current writers when I was in college (not saying his name for the sake of not being petty) after inhaling a lot of stuff he did for DC during my childhood and early adolescence. He was a real dick in person, and
I got a strong vibe of elitism from him. It was kind of ironic to see him post a lot of SJW-oriented attacks directed towards various people on Twitter not too long after.

Is it Dan Slott? I bet it's Dan Slott.

Spike Spiegel
08-24-2017, 08:09 PM
Is it Dan Slott? I bet it's Dan Slott.

No, it wasn't him.

PM me if you really want the details.

I don't care for Slott's Spider-Man, and I know a lot of people can't stand his Twitter interactions with fans, but his She-Hulk was all right.

Sumac
08-24-2017, 08:48 PM
Wasn't there a big fiasco about Whedon equating a sterile woman to a "monster" in the last Avengers movie that made him delete his Twitter and all after all the backlash?
It was typical SJWs typically taking words from context.

plastroncafe
08-24-2017, 11:04 PM
Translation: people had a different opinion than me.