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ZariusTwo
09-02-2017, 03:36 AM
I got into a discussion with a friend over on another forum, initially discussing Misty and Brock's return in Pokemon, and the conversation turned to Turtles Forever and the decision to ignore all the changes made in the red sky seasons.

My friend proposed that everything in Turtles Forever had taken place before season eight, but I argued the timeline did'nt quite match up to that, not to mention at the end of Turtles Forever, the Technodrome retained all the changes Ch'rell had made to it.

So I then proposed that instead of trying to fit it into a timeline, the Technodrome sequences in the flashbacks took place during "Shredder Triumphant" and them being transported to the 23K universe was in fact something that changed history, so the red sky seasons now never occured.

I'm sure there's a hole in this somewhere, but let's discuss that.

FredWolfLeonardo
09-02-2017, 03:48 AM
I personally don't believe that Turtles Forever is canon to the Original Toon, especially after the Nick crossovers but If I did, I'd place it after season 10.

Id believe that in-universe, everything went back to normal since Lord Dregg was gone and the dangers were no longer very serious, hence the return of the blue sky. Shredder and Krang rebuilt the technodrome and went back to their usual routine, April made amends with her boss after their fall out in season 8, resulting in her being re-hired by Channel Six and even Carter has a small cameo if that means anything.

I don't believe the Red Sky seasons never happened as some fans speculate and see no reason to see them as seperate universes in the sense that shows like Sonic Satam and Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog aren't the same.

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
09-02-2017, 04:38 AM
I personally don't believe that Turtles Forever is canon to the Original Toon, especially after the Nick crossovers but If I did, I'd place it after season 10.

Do you believe the Nickelodeon crossovers are canon to the original series?

FredWolfLeonardo
09-02-2017, 04:39 AM
Do you believe the Nickelodeon crossovers are canon to the original series?

Yes, I do. I even think that the Dimension X in both shows is the same.

ToTheNines
09-02-2017, 05:52 AM
I got into a discussion with a friend over on another forum, initially discussing Misty and Brock's return in Pokemon, and the conversation turned to Turtles Forever and the decision to ignore all the changes made in the red sky seasons.

My friend proposed that everything in Turtles Forever had taken place before season eight, but I argued the timeline did'nt quite match up to that, not to mention at the end of Turtles Forever, the Technodrome retained all the changes Ch'rell had made to it.

So I then proposed that instead of trying to fit it into a timeline, the Technodrome sequences in the flashbacks took place during "Shredder Triumphant" and them being transported to the 23K universe was in fact something that changed history, so the red sky seasons now never occured.

I'm sure there's a hole in this somewhere, but let's discuss that.


I've counted this as a possibility from day one. With the technodrome rolling through the city streets during daytime, it's the only episode to branch off from. And considering that Turtles Forever interrupts the Mirage turtles during issue #1 and alters that universe, it makes sense that the FW timeline would basically have the same thing happen to it.

neatoman
09-02-2017, 05:57 AM
Yes, I do. I even think that the Dimension X in both shows is the same.

... Hm....

ZariusTwo
09-02-2017, 07:37 AM
I've counted this as a possibility from day one. With the technodrome rolling through the city streets during daytime, it's the only episode to branch off from. And considering that Turtles Forever interrupts the Mirage turtles during issue #1 and alters that universe, it makes sense that the FW timeline would basically have the same thing happen to it.

Good thinking. The moment of divergence seems to be, going with the theory, is that it's just before Shredder tricks the Turtles into Dimension X in the story.

Enscripture
09-02-2017, 09:54 AM
I have a theory based on logic and in episode dialogue. I would put Turtles Forever right after The Big Rip Off because of the Technodrome location. Then the next episode Splinter says they got the Technodrome moving again in The Big Break-in and it sounds like it's been a long time so we can assume Krang took off the upgrades after that bad interaction with Ch'rell. That's literally the only placement where it's in New York and available for a crossover. That also means Trans-Dimensional Turtles has to happen way before in Season 2 because of lack of interaction with the Mirage Turtles. And it could happen anytime after Krang sends Bebop and Rocksteady to Earth to help The Shredder as long as the Technodrome is in Dimension X and he's by himself but it has to be when he's annoyed with the turtles already.

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
09-02-2017, 10:21 AM
I have a theory based on logic and in episode dialogue. I would put Turtles Forever right after The Big Rip Off because of the Technodrome location. Then the next episode Splinter says they got the Technodrome moving again in The Big Break-in and it sounds like it's been a long time so we can assume Krang took off the upgrades after that bad interaction with Ch'rell. That's literally the only placement where it's in New York and available for a crossover. That also means Trans-Dimensional Turtles has to happen way before in Season 2 because of lack of interaction with the Mirage Turtles. And it could happen anytime after Krang sends Bebop and Rocksteady to Earth to help The Shredder as long as the Technodrome is in Dimension X and he's by himself but it has to be when he's annoyed with the turtles already.

But it wasn't until after the Big Trilogy, the turtles became not exactly heroes, but semi-heroes. (even if "Turtles Forever" took the turtles walking in public too far)

CyberCubed
09-02-2017, 11:37 AM
I consider it canon and say Turtles Forever took place during one of the most memorable OT seasons, which of course was Season 3. As I said, when they do stuff like this it's always nostalgia based and done what is during the most recognizable seasons of each show.

I imagine the Nick crossovers take place during Season 4.

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
09-02-2017, 12:17 PM
I wonder if the writers know the series by heart as much as many of us here do...

ABrown
09-02-2017, 08:28 PM
I personally don't believe that Turtles Forever is canon to the Original Toon

Agreed. TF is definitely NOT canon to the original cartoon.

Do you believe the Nickelodeon crossovers are canon to the original series?

And the Nick crossovers are even less canon to the original cartoon, if that's even possible.

Ninjinister
09-02-2017, 11:01 PM
My personal hypothesis: the crossovers were canon until the events of the crossovers, which created a divergent reality.

neatoman
09-03-2017, 03:12 AM
The Fred Wolf cartoon didn't really have a canon to begin with. There are two unrelated versions of Atlantis, the Baxter Stockman episodes after he becomes a fly don't quite align, the vacation through europe is difficult to figure out the order of, the exact location of the Technodrome keeps changing depending on what studio animated the episode, etc. It seems kind of silly to figure out the placement of new projects that aren't meant to be taken seriously at all, especially when the show really wasn't meant to be taken seriously either.

Honestly, you could say the Fred Wolf universe is the result of Savanti Romero creating a timeline that he frequently plays around with, just to make a mockery of his enemies, and that would make more sense than any serious theory.

Andrew NDB
09-03-2017, 03:40 AM
The Fred Wolf cartoon didn't really have a canon to begin with.

This is the only sound statement in this thread.

ZariusTwo
09-03-2017, 03:49 AM
There are two unrelated versions of Atlantis=

In Doctor Who there's at least three:D

AND they acknowledged it in-show.

Powder
09-03-2017, 04:00 AM
The Fred Wolf cartoon didn't really have a canon to begin with. There are two unrelated versions of Atlantis, the Baxter Stockman episodes after he becomes a fly don't quite align, the vacation through europe is difficult to figure out the order of, the exact location of the Technodrome keeps changing depending on what studio animated the episode, etc. It seems kind of silly to figure out the placement of new projects that aren't meant to be taken seriously at all, especially when the show really wasn't meant to be taken seriously either.

Honestly, you could say the Fred Wolf universe is the result of Savanti Romero creating a timeline that he frequently plays around with, just to make a mockery of his enemies, and that would make more sense than any serious theory.

Yeah, this. I like to think of the crossovers as 'canon', I suppose, but given how topsy turvy the old 'toon is, it's not worth overthinking. I don't worry about placement or contradictions/inconsistencies, I just enjoy them & carry on. :trazz:

Also, that's a hilarious headcanon to have. I could definitely see him being that petty. :tlol:

neatoman
09-03-2017, 04:29 AM
In Doctor Who there's at least three:D

AND they acknowledged it in-show.

Isn't Doctor Who's inconsistancies explained as the timeline being in constant flux? Like how Earth can be invaded by aliens all the time yet it's never documented because it's the result of time travel?

FredWolfLeonardo
09-03-2017, 04:35 AM
I think the people who think the FW show doesnt have a canon because of two atlantis episodes (theyre not irreconcilable by the way) are the ones taking it too seriously.

Actually I take that back a bit, its not the lack of belief in a show having a canon, its the complete disregarding of an entire show possibly having a canon because it does not work like the real world. If thats not taking something too seriously for petty reasons, I don't know what is.

Even shows like Tom and Jerry where Nibbles is always put on Jerry's doorstep every few episodes are capable of having a canon, its just a different world with different rules.

ToTheNines
09-03-2017, 06:28 AM
I think the people who think the FW show doesnt have a canon because of two atlantis episodes (theyre not irreconcilable by the way) are the ones taking it too seriously.

Actually I take that back a bit, its not the lack of belief in a show having a canon, its the complete disregarding of an entire show possibly having a canon because it does not work like the real world. If thats not taking something too seriously for petty reasons, I don't know what is.

Even shows like Tom and Jerry where Nibbles is always put on Jerry's doorstep every few episodes are capable of having a canon, its just a different world with different rules.

Yeah, to say it doesn't have a canon is ridiculous. It has a canon, it just isn't taken very seriously or crafted too thoughtfully.

You wouldn't say The Simpson's doesn't have a canon, even though no one has aged through 5 presidential administrations.

neatoman
09-03-2017, 09:18 AM
Yeah, to say it doesn't have a canon is ridiculous. It has a canon, it just isn't taken very seriously or crafted too thoughtfully.

You wouldn't say The Simpson's doesn't have a canon, even though no one has aged through 5 presidential administrations.

I wouldn't say there's no simpsons canon because it's been on the air for 30 years, I would there is no canon in the Simpsons because episodes like "The Principal and the Pauper", "That '90s Show", "On a Clear Day I Can't See My Sister" and "The Man Who Came to Be Dinner" exist and are becoming more frequent.

ToTheNines
09-03-2017, 09:46 AM
I wouldn't say there's no simpsons canon because it's been on the air for 30 years, I would there is no canon in the Simpsons because episodes like "The Principal and the Pauper", "That '90s Show", "On a Clear Day I Can't See My Sister" and "The Man Who Came to Be Dinner" exist and are becoming more frequent.

Would you say the MCU has no canon because the real world MetLife building appears in the Midtown skyline in the Netflix shows instead of Avengers Tower? Or because Civil War and Homecoming have irreconcilable dates presented?

Would you say Mirage has no canon because the turtles can't actually be 15 during the events of issue #1 (they actually have to be 13). Or that Shadow is closer to 11 years old at the start of Volume 4, instead of a teenager? Or that Leatherheads state of mind requires constant no-prizes?

Would you say that Star Wars has no canon even though... yeah, I'm not even going to begin to start with all the discrepancies created by the prequel trilogy.

Any work of fiction with multiple issues/episodes/installments has a canon. Whether it makes a lick of sense or not is up for debate. You guys are just sh*tting on the OT. Not that I care, just saying that loose continuity and a pile of errors doesn't negate the fact that a work of fiction "has canon".

neatoman
09-03-2017, 10:14 AM
Any work of fiction with multiple issues/episodes/installments has a canon. Whether it makes a lick of sense or not is up for debate. You guys are just sh*tting on the OT. Not that I care, just saying that loose continuity and a pile of errors doesn't negate the fact that a work of fiction "has canon".

There was probably some production bible drawn up in the offices of Playmates toys that allowed for some limited form of canon, but if they didn't care if episodes were in blatant contradiction and could be watched in almost any random order, there might as well not even be a canon in the first place.

ToTheNines
09-03-2017, 10:39 AM
There was probably some production bible drawn up in the offices of Playmates toys that allowed for some limited form of canon, but if they didn't care if episodes were in blatant contradiction and could be watched in almost any random order, there might as well not even be a canon in the first place.

Again, just because it's not airtight doesn't mean there's no canon. A portion of Mirage v. 1 is out of order and has contradictions.

And just because a series has noncanon stories (one or the other Paris eps, one or the other Atlantis eps, a Baxter story or two like you said), doesn't negate the whole body of work.

What you're arguing is like saying "The Cubs don't have a pitching staff". Just because they stink and make a lot of mistakes doesn't mean they're not there. It does work as hyperbole however, and if that's what you're going for then I'm just wasting my breath.

neatoman
09-03-2017, 10:49 AM
Again, just because it's not airtight doesn't mean there's no canon. A portion of Mirage v. 1 is out of order and has contradictions.

And just because a series has noncanon stories (one or the other Paris eps, one or the other Atlantis eps, a Baxter story or two like you said), doesn't negate the whole body of work.

What you're arguing is like saying "The Cubs don't have a pitching staff". Just because they stink make a lot of mistakes doesn't mean they're not there. It does work as hyperbole however, and if that's what you're going for then I'm just wasting my breath.

Of course there's some level of canon but if it wasn't ever taken seriously by the people making the show why even bother trying to figure it out decades later?

ToTheNines
09-03-2017, 10:50 AM
Because it's a fan forum, and we're nerds?

ZariusTwo
09-03-2017, 11:40 AM
Isn't Doctor Who's inconsistancies explained as the timeline being in constant flux? Like how Earth can be invaded by aliens all the time yet it's never documented because it's the result of time travel?

There's multiple fail-safes built in to the show to keep all that quiet. Government disavowing knowledge, Torchwood and the retcon drug, cracks in time etc

Even the trope of "unreliable narrator" is justified by the out-of-sync meetings time lords have with their own incarnations.

CyberCubed
09-03-2017, 03:03 PM
I consider everything canon. The crossovers from 4kids and Nick, all the individual episodes, etc.

Hell you can even say the reason Archie took it's own direction is because Armaggon went back in time with the timeslip device right after "The Incredible Shrinking Turtles" and by pulling Shredder into the future for a while it caused a split in the timeline forming the Archie universe.

FredWolfLeonardo
09-03-2017, 03:12 PM
I consider everything canon. The crossovers from 4kids and Nick, all the individual episodes, etc.

Hell you can even say the reason Archie took it's own direction is because Armaggon went back in time with the timeslip device right after "The Incredible Shrinking Turtles" and by pulling Shredder into the future for a while it caused a split in the timeline forming the Archie universe.

Although I don't think Turtles Forever is canon to the original toon or Tmnt Issue 1, I certainly respect your reasoning and can totally see why people see them as canon.

Me personally, I felt that the OT turtles in TF were an interpretation of that universe by the 4Kids writers while the OT turtles from the Nick crossovers were the actual OT turtles.

Same with the Mirage turtles in Issue 1, who would've affected their own timeline if the events of TF happened in their universe, whereas in Transdimensional Turtles their inclusion felt more natural and not conflicting with their own story where they beat Shreder on the rooftop.

Despite this however, I still love TF, I just don't see it as canon, atleast not the OT and the Mirage comics. I still see it as canon to the 2k3 series.

The original voice actors, the background music, the 2D animation in the second crossover, the turtles personalities in the Nick crossovers came off as more authentic than the ones from Turtle Forever imo. Even Krang being a Nick Utrom I have no problem with.

Funny thing is however, before the Nick crossovers came, I used to think TF was canon, being the actual finale of the OT after "Shredder Triumphant", making the Red Sky never happen.

However, when I gave the Red Sky seasons a chance, I accepted them as a part of the OTs timeline and that bought TF's continuity into question. I was willing to accept it as taking place after season 10 but then came the Nick crossover, because of which I felt I had to choose which one I thought was really canon, leading me to choose Nick.

The reason why I think both crossovers dont mix together and are incompatible is:
1. The 80s turtles couldve just called the 2k3 turtles again to help alongside the 2k12 turtles in TT if they had supposedly met them before.
2. 80s Donatello acts like he has never seen the Mirage turtles before in TT despite having been there in TF and even allied with the Mirage turtles.
3. Krang is trying to destroy realities in TT, while being against that idea in Turtles Forever.
4. The 80s turtles personalities are different in both, whereas in Nick they were silly but still true to their characters in the OT, The TF versions felt flanderized and exaggerating till the point that they were a parody.

Anyways, this has been a long post but my main point is we all have our headcanons and regardless of whether you consider it canon or not, it doesn't mean you don't acknowledge it exists or you don't enjoy it. Heck, I do this with Disney films all the time, wondering whether many of the sequels are canon or not. In many cases (The Lion King and Tarzan) it could be a yes, while in many other cases (The Jungle Book and Brother Bear) its a No.

CyberCubed
09-03-2017, 04:12 PM
The final seasons were always canon regardless, and crossovers don't have to happen after a show ends. When Turtles Forever first came out I never thought it had to take place after Season 10, nor do I get why anyone thought that. It was obvious to me they chose the most recognizable eras of the show, the Season 3 era to base it on.

FredWolfLeonardo
09-03-2017, 04:22 PM
The final seasons were always canon regardless, and crossovers don't have to happen after a show ends. When Turtles Forever first came out I never thought it had to take place after Season 10, nor do I get why anyone thought that. It was obvious to me they chose the most recognizable eras of the show, the Season 3 era to base it on.

True, you're right about that.

Regarding the Nick crossover, I saw it as happening between season 7 and 8, with Krang getting Subprime's help in re accquiring the technodrome after losing it in Dimension X. Then after the crossover, he is seperated from the technodrome again.

A last minute hope of mine, but I really hope the 2nd Nick crossover somehow connects to the OT red sky seasons somehow. Perhaps there is a huge catastrophic event by Shredder and Krang which not only causes their universe to take on a permanent red sky, but also badly damages the Nick universe, leading into the apocalyptic setting we see 50 years in the future.

CyberCubed
09-03-2017, 04:42 PM
I honestly wonder if Nick's Bebop/Rocksteady will stay in the OT universe. This is their final appearance and I want to know how their characters will be wrapped up.

FredWolfLeonardo
09-03-2017, 04:49 PM
I doubt they will stay in that universe. My guess is the turtles will most likely have them arrested and/or de-mutated.

ToTheNines
09-03-2017, 05:02 PM
OT Leo will cut their heads off.

FredWolfLeonardo
09-03-2017, 05:10 PM
OT Leo will cut their heads off.

FW Leo: What have I done?

2k12 Leo: Don't worry pal, I do it all time. I mean, do you see our version of Shredder hanging about?

ToTheNines
09-03-2017, 05:12 PM
:tlol: good one.

***First of Two Latin Kings***
09-04-2017, 06:05 AM
As it has already been said, the Fred Wolf turtles in Turtles Forever are a parody of the Fred Wolf turtles. They act more like the turtles from TMNT III. So it is a completely different alternate Timeline, of which there could be countless. This is why Ch'rell had to go back to Turtle Prime to destroy them all. Even within Mirage there are alternate universes and timelines. You can't force Turtles Forever into the original Fred Wolf show's timeline.

CyberCubed
09-04-2017, 12:04 PM
As it has already been said, the Fred Wolf turtles in Turtles Forever are a parody of the Fred Wolf turtles. They act more like the turtles from TMNT III. .

No they don't. Outside of a few weird instances (the noogies), they don't act much differently nor do they act like movie Turtles.

FredWolfLeonardo
09-04-2017, 03:09 PM
No they don't. Outside of a few weird instances (the noogies), they don't act much differently nor do they act like movie Turtles.

The only time they fully act in the old cartoon like how they do in Turtles Forever is Leonardo in "Leonardo Lightens Up"

Shredder, Krang, Bebop, Rocksteady, Splinter and April were done pretty well however.

I felt like the makers had good intentions, but they wanted the 80s turtles to stand apart from the 2003 turtles (because they are otherwise very similar), so they took elements from the movies (wet wilies) as well as other 90s tv shows such as Animaniacs so they could have the perfect "goofy turtles" to contrast with their own.

Unfortunately it resulted in the 80s turtles being caracitures and all having the same personality and a hive mind. They all shouted cowabunga at once in the movie multiple times and all giggled all the time at once, did noogies, cried and ran away from battle, and generally didn't focus on the task at hand until the very end when they all faced Utrom Shredder in the Mirage dimension.

Sumac
09-04-2017, 03:22 PM
Personally, I don't consider Turtles Forever to be canon to the Old Cartoon. It's just a canon-less tribute, which took old turtles in their most recognizable form and ignored failed re-tool in form of Red Sky seasons.

But if I wanted to put in canon somehow, I would have chosen, that 80-s Turtles are either from alternate universe, which is almost the same as a universe of Old Cartoon, so TF would not interfere with canon of the series. Or that TF overwrites the ending of the series and Red Sky stuff never happens. Since I am not big fan of Red Sky seasons, this version would have been optimal for me.

BTW, Old Cartoon does have a canon, not really strong, but its there, no matter what salty fanboys gonna tell you. Talking about salty fanboys:

This is the only sound statement in this thread.
How much for that pack of salt of yours? :tlol:
Do you think you can start a salt factory, because, your favorite version of Turtles was forever phased by something "less"? And people will always think about Pizza and Shredder and Krang, when they think about TMNT? :tlol:

CyberCubed
09-04-2017, 10:42 PM
For the last time, Turtles Forever does not have to take place after "Red Sky" or whatever that means. Just because those were the last seasons and Turtles Forever came out 15 years later doesn't mean that's where it has to go. I have no idea why people have this thing where they think just because something airs in real life in a certain order that that's how it is in-universe. Turtles Forever is clearly set during the earlier parts of the original cartoon's timeline.

FredWolfLeonardo
09-04-2017, 11:35 PM
While I am not opposed to TF taking place after season 10, it doesnt have to be after that time and taking place in the middle seasons is acceptable.

I've tried to search the movie for clues as to when it could possibly take place at the earliest and have arrived at the conclusion that it has to during season 3 at the very bare minimum, because:

1. The Nose Nose from the season 3 episode "Beware the Lotus" makes an appearance.
2. The turtles are more comfortable with being in public which wasn't the case at first unless they were in the middle of a fight.
3. Bebop and Rocksteady are Shredder's main henchmen which happened in Mid Season 2
4. Shredder and Krang have a more mutual relationship, whereas Shredder was more subservient to Krang in the first two seasons.
5. Irma makes a cameo in the movie, and she first appeared in the show in season 2.
6. The 80s turtles lair in the movie has the iconic look it had in season 3 as opposed to the generic and inconsistent look it had in the first two seasons.

Sumac
09-05-2017, 12:29 AM
For the last time, Turtles Forever does not have to take place after "Red Sky" or whatever that means. Just because those were the last seasons and Turtles Forever came out 15 years later doesn't mean that's where it has to go. I have no idea why people have this thing where they think just because something airs in real life in a certain order that that's how it is in-universe. Turtles Forever is clearly set during the earlier parts of the original cartoon's timeline.
The problem with TF is that after it, Technodrome ends up being different from what it was in the OT.
Hence the obvious problem, that it can not be in the early parts of the series, because there - Technodrome is still the same as always.

In the end: it's obvious that creators of TF didn't care about canon of old series. So, all our theories are just theories.

DestronMirage22
09-05-2017, 12:40 AM
In the end: it's obvious that creators of TF didn't care about canon of old series.

Same could be said about the Nick version and their little crossover.

neatoman
09-05-2017, 03:20 AM
Same could be said about the Nick version and their little crossover.

Probably even more so.

ToTheNines
09-05-2017, 03:24 AM
Yeah, people cut the Nick crossover a lot of slack because it had the original voice cast. Truth is, it's even more disrespectful to the OT characters and ignorant of the mythology.

Sumac
09-05-2017, 06:38 AM
Same could be said about the Nick version and their little crossover.
I never counted it as part of the old series. The same as with TF.

pferreira
09-07-2017, 01:31 PM
I wonder if the writers know the series by heart as much as many of us here do...No they didn't, that's why the FW TMNT were written like complete idiots. :roll:

In Doctor Who there's at least three:D

AND they acknowledged it in-show.You sir win this thread. :lol:

but if they didn't care if episodes were in blatant contradiction and could be watched in almost any random order, there might as well not even be a canon in the first place.Erm so you didn't notice Season 1, recurring characters, a Turtleoids two parter in Season 5 as well as a third part finale for Season 3? :o

Isn't Doctor Who's inconsistancies explained as the timeline being in constant flux? Like how Earth can be invaded by aliens all the time yet it's never documented because it's the result of time travel?Nope. New Series Doctor Who continuity is whatever they want it to be. It's been changed with RTD to Moffat to Chibnall. That's why they now have continuity resets whenever a new script editor takes over the show.

Actually I take that back a bit, its not the lack of belief in a show having a canon, its the complete disregarding of an entire show possibly having a canon because it does not work like the real world. If thats not taking something too seriously for petty reasons, I don't know what is.Yep, goes without saying regardless if you find a show goofy it has a canon, it has a universe which makes it easy ripe for discussion. I see no problem with that.

BTW, Old Cartoon does have a canon, not really strong, but its there, no matter what salty fanboys gonna tell you. Talking about salty fanboys:


How much for that pack of salt of yours? :tlol:
Do you think you can start a salt factory, because, your favorite version of Turtles was forever phased by something "less"? And people will always think about Pizza and Shredder and Krang, when they think about TMNT? :tlol:I'll have you know the FW haters here are quite hip. Here's one below:

http://media.giphy.com/media/14c4yIVAVWZgnm/giphy.gif

As it has already been said, the Fred Wolf turtles in Turtles Forever are a parody of the Fred Wolf turtles. I think this video pretty much sums up how I feel about Turtles Forever:

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Metalwolf
09-07-2017, 03:52 PM
I don't consider TF canon to the OT Universe. For one thing, the OT Turtles as it portrays them, act too unlike the OT Turtles from the original cartoon. For while the Fred Wolf Turtles had their goofy moments, TF's OT Turtles were overboard in their goofiness, to the point it comes out as OOC. Plus as other people had pointed it out, the OT Turtles didn't act like they even knew the Mirage Turtles when they saw them (in Nick's crossover.)

(Also wanted to mention, I don't remember the OT Turtles showing that they even remembered the Mirage Turtles, or visiting their dimension, if TF takes place any time after the OT cartoon or the Nick crossover. )

So I can't really think of any way to place this somewhere in OT 'canon,' unless it was some heavily alternate timeline where they never met the Nick Turtles, but the 2k3 ones instead, and that this 2k3 is heavily effecting their own universe (why them and their universe becomes unnaturally 'goofy.')

CyberCubed
09-07-2017, 05:00 PM
The problem with TF is that after it, Technodrome ends up being different from what it was in the OT.
Hence the obvious problem, that it can not be in the early parts of the series, because there - Technodrome is still the same as always.

The Technodrome was changed back to normal with Krang removing the Utrom technology. This happened in old cartoons all the time where something would change and magically come back the next episode.

There's episodes in the OT where there was a robot or something firing in their lair, it blew up their TV and made a huge hole in their couch. In the next episode their TV and couch are back like nothing happened. That's just how things were back then. It was a Saturday Morning cartoon.

In the end: it's obvious that creators of TF didn't care about canon of old series. So, all our theories are just theories.

It's more like they didn't watch much of the original cartoon and are completely different writers, of course they're not going to get things done exactly.

Both Turtles Forever and the Nick crossover are canon. The out of character moments are just chalked up to different writers (which is true) who aren't that familiar with the show.

ABrown
09-07-2017, 05:57 PM
As it has already been said, the Fred Wolf turtles in Turtles Forever are a parody of the Fred Wolf turtles. They act more like the turtles from TMNT III. So it is a completely different alternate Timeline, of which there could be countless. This is why Ch'rell had to go back to Turtle Prime to destroy them all. Even within Mirage there are alternate universes and timelines. You can't force Turtles Forever into the original Fred Wolf show's timeline.

I think this perfectly describes the Fred Wolf Turtles place in Turtles Forever.

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Christ, could this guy possibly drop some MORE F bombs?

ToTheNines
09-07-2017, 06:14 PM
Phelous is an unfunny douche. Fitting that cferreira is a fan.

pferreira
09-07-2017, 06:22 PM
Phelous is an unfunny douche. Fitting that cferreira is a fan.I'm not a fan by any means (I find him quite annoying) but the guy made sense here. Also if you're going to insult me by comparing me to someone you dislike at least get my bl***y handle right! :roll:

ToTheNines
09-07-2017, 06:27 PM
Did you seriously just self-sensor the word "bloody"? Classic cferreira move.

FredWolfLeonardo
09-07-2017, 07:37 PM
Cfrerria? Is the C supposed to stand for Cuck?

ToTheNines
09-07-2017, 07:39 PM
Definitely not.

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
09-08-2017, 03:33 AM
No they didn't, that's why the FW TMNT were written like complete idiots. :roll:

That's not the only thing, recognizing the different Tecchnodrome locations and how moving it affects the continuity for each season is part of it as well. Something the Turtles Forever writers didn't seem to know.

neatoman
09-08-2017, 03:38 AM
Cfrerria? Is the C supposed to stand for Cuck?

It could be the vaginal slur the filter won't allow me to write.

Phelous is an unfunny douche. Fitting that cferreira is a fan.

Yeah, he's not very funny. That review is especially bad, it's basically just whining about the same point over and over again without any wit, he has nothing else to come with because there's really nothing else to complain about.

pferreira
09-14-2017, 10:35 AM
Did you seriously just self-sensor the word "bloody"? Classic cferreira move.I thought swearing wasn't allowed here? Feel free to try and we can report your posts. ;)

Yeah, he's not very funny. That review is especially bad, it's basically just whining about the same point over and over again without any wit, he has nothing else to come with because there's really nothing else to complain about.Or maybe it's because he reflects the actual truth that like Tom Cruise you can't handle? :P

Cfrerria? Is the C supposed to stand for Cuck?No, To The Nines doesn't check the spelling in his posts. Or he probably writes his posts when he's had one too many. :lol:

ToTheNines
09-14-2017, 10:43 AM
You bloody wanker!