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Sage Ninja
09-02-2017, 08:41 PM
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/utah-nurse-arrested-refusing-give-patient-s-blood-police-n798021

The Utah nurse whose arrest for refusing to draw blood from an unconscious patient drew nationwide criticism said Friday that what hurt most wasn't being manhandled by a detective ó it was that none of the other officers watching the struggle tried to intervene.

"I was being bullied and nobody was willing to speak up for me," Alex Wubbels told NBC News. "That is one of the main points of this whole issue."

Wubbels, a University of Utah Hospital nurse and a former Olympic athlete, said Salt Lake City Mayor Jackie Biskupski "did reach out to me with a personal apology. I accepted that apology."

Biskupski also tweeted an apology on her behalf and that of the police chief

But neither Detective Jeff Payne, the officer who arrested her, nor his supervisor have apologized for what Wubbels called the "disgrace they put upon themselves."

She was not charged with a crime. Asked whether she believes Payne should be disciplined, the nurse said "that's not for me to make that choice."

"I do think a lot of police act appropriately and are out there to help us," she said.

The city announced Friday that the Unified Police Department is conducting an independent investigation into whether any criminal acts occurred. Payne has been placed on paid administrative leave, officials said. The city's mayor called the incident "unacceptable."

"This is an ever evolving situation, and we will do what is necessary to fully investigate the issue, uphold the integrity of the Salt Lake City Police Department, and strengthen the trust with our community," Salt Lake City Police Chief Mike Brown said in a statement.

Payne has not responded to requests for comment.

A police spokesperson said they were alarmed by what happened and that the department is working closely with the hospital to ensure this never happens again.

The unfortunate encounter happened on July 26.

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The 19 minutes of police bodycam footage made public showed Payne insisting that Wubbels draw the blood. He appears to grow increasingly impatient as the nurse cites hospital protocol as her reason for refusing his order.

While other officers watched, Wubbels explained to Payne that, if he wanted the blood, he needed either an electronic warrant, patient consent, or declare an intent to arrest the patient.

But Payne, the nurse said, wasn't having it.

"He was on a mission," Wubbels said of Payne. "I just knew that I was in the right."

In the videos, which may have been edited, Wubbels held her ground about drawing blood. Payne then suddenly snapped.

"No, we're done," he said. "You're under arrest, we're going!"

He was then seen yanking her arms behind her and cuffing her wrists before hauling her to the back of the patrol car.

"Please sir, you're hurting me," Wubbels said.

"Then walk," Payne responded.

Wubbels, from inside the car, screamed for help and that "I did nothing wrong!" She was later let go.

On Thursday, an emotional Wubbels said law enforcement needs better training about when they can draw blood from patients for investigations. "At the very least, there needs to be some significant discussion about what their duties are to society," she said.

Wubbels, a nurse at the hospital since 2009 who competed as an Alpine skier at the 1998 and 2002 Winter Olympics, said feels betrayed and angry.

"And I am still confused," said Wubbels as she wiped away tears. "I'm a health care worker. The only job I have is to keep my patients safe."

What happened, she said, "was not peaceful. This was not even civil."

The incident was condemned as "outrageous" by National Nurses United, the country's largest nursing union.

"As the videos and news accounts make clear, there is no excuse for this assault, or her arrest, which sends a chilling message about the safety of nurses and the rights of patients," said Jean Ross, the group's co-president.

The patient at the center of the drama was a truck driver who was injured when his vehicle collided with that of another driver who was fleeing police, reported NBC affiliate KSL-TV.

The truck driver was badly burned and comatose and police were seeking his blood to determine whether he had illicit substances in his system at the time of the crash, according to a written report obtained by The Salt Lake Tribune.

His name has not been released.

Geez, I feel that this was really uncalled for. As someone who was in working in the medical field for a little while as a nurse's assistant in high school I can relate to nurse Wubbles tough situation. I feel bad she was man handled like that just for upholding hospital policy. From what the video shows on the website she explained pretty reasonably what the agreement the hospital had with the police on how procedures of this nature are to be conducted. I can't help but feel kind of angry at the way the police treated her.

Candy Kappa
09-03-2017, 02:53 AM
The American Police are scary.

BubblyShell22
09-03-2017, 06:38 AM
Yes, some police officers definitely abuse their job and take advantage of others. This situation disgusts me too, but I heard on the news that the officer has been suspended and I hope he gets terminated for the offense. Wubbels was very respectful and explained the situation just as she had to. There was no call for what that officer did to her. None at all, and I say this as someone who has two cousins who are cops and who would never do something like that to anybody.

mrmaczaps
09-03-2017, 08:44 AM
SOME police let their authority go to their heads. This is not normal despite the medias attempt to say it is... I hate MSM.... their goal is to SELL and make money. War, unrest and all that people fear sells great. Truth however, not so much.

ToTheNines
09-03-2017, 12:52 PM
Good on her for knowing what was right and standing her ground. I'm sure the authoritarians out there would like to argue that this guy might have been a bad hombre the cops needed to get off the street, but there's no defending this one.

The man in her care was victim of a high speed chase that was against regulation. The perp (now dead) crashed into this totally innocent truck driver and the cops were praying that he had SOMETHING in his system to cover their asses. Pretty unscrupulous.

SOME police let their authority go to their heads. This is not normal despite the medias attempt to say it is... I hate MSM.... their goal is to SELL and make money. War, unrest and all that people fear sells great. Truth however, not so much.

You make a great point. There are far more good cops out there than thugs like these. No reason to turn on our law enforcement officers just because the news likes to showcase the worst among them.

snake
09-03-2017, 12:58 PM
Is the Technodrome Forums being......RATIONAL? I can't believe it.

Quick, Plastron! Say something!

Cure
09-03-2017, 01:12 PM
Her last name is Wubbels.

Powder
09-03-2017, 02:11 PM
SOME police let their authority go to their heads. This is not normal despite the medias attempt to say it is... I hate MSM.... their goal is to SELL and make money. War, unrest and all that people fear sells great. Truth however, not so much.

You make a great point. There are far more good cops out there than thugs like these. No reason to turn on our law enforcement officers just because the news likes to showcase the worst among them.

Real talk. These are the minority. People love to preach about prejudices & stereotypes, not letting a few bad apples ruin the bunch, but they don't apply that same thought to our boys in blue. In my teenage years, back in NY, I was a real degenerate little son of a bitch. My friends & I had maaad run-ins with cops, but it always went well. Two separate cops on two separate occasions made slightly rude comments, but it was nothing in the big picture. Overall, they almost always were polite & cut us breaks. & we were a racially mixed crowd of various age-ranges from different walks of life committing a wide range of crimes. :tlol:

Generally speaking, if you are polite & go along with standard procedure, it should go just fine. Of course, sometimes, people who have no place on the force get a badge, but there's way more good than bad.

That said, this particular cop is a real asshole, & should be punished through the proper channels.

mrmaczaps
09-03-2017, 04:40 PM
You make a great point. There are far more good cops out there than thugs like these. No reason to turn on our law enforcement officers just because the news likes to showcase the worst among them.

Did we just agree on something?!? Hell just froze over.... :lol:

Thanks. :) I do occassionally. :lol:

BubblyShell22
09-03-2017, 06:16 PM
Definitely agree with Maczaps and Nines here. The media often says that law enforcement is bad when it is only a select few who abuse their position while others are out there doing their job and helping and protecting the streets. I have a very healthy respect for cops because two of my cousins are cops and are probably the greatest guys any of you will know.

Candy Kappa
09-03-2017, 06:26 PM
That said, this particular cop is a real asshole, & should be punished through the proper channels.

All of the cops in the videos should be disciplined. They just stood there and let this maniac handcuff a woman that was doing her job, it's criminal abuse of power where they where trying to do a cover-up to weasel out of the responsibility for the crash caused by the instigated high speed pursuit that was agains department policy.

Had it not been for the viral bodycam footage this would have been hushed down.

BubblyShell22
09-03-2017, 06:29 PM
Yep, thank goodness for bodycam footage.

mrmaczaps
09-03-2017, 07:47 PM
All of the cops in the videos should be disciplined. They just stood there and let this maniac handcuff a woman that was doing her job, it's criminal abuse of power where they where trying to do a cover-up to weasel out of the responsibility for the crash caused by the instigated high speed pursuit that was agains department policy.

Had it not been for the viral bodycam footage this would have been hushed down.

Yes and no. The arresting officer was wrong here. No disagreement there. From my limited understanding, not being a cop but having some aquaintances that are, they don't in public step up and correct each other by their training. Had it been just 2 or 3 cops, yeah say something and calm crazy down. Hopefully the "onlookers" said lt crazy was off his rock once at the station rather than backing him. Hey're supposed to be unified in the field...

plastroncafe
09-03-2017, 10:23 PM
The saying "A few bad apples ruins the bunch" takes into consideration that it's a minority of the group making the whole group look bad, so there's no need for the redundant #notallcops.

We know it's not all cops.

The officers who just stood on by and did nothing, in order to present unity i the field, are accessories to his behavior. Kappa's right, they should be disciplined.

They won't be, but they should be.
And this Bad Cop shouldn't have a badge, but I'm willing to bet he'll be disciplined and get to keep his job. After being suspended with pay.

People who can't do the job, shouldn't be allowed to do the job.
This guy is crap at his job, and I hope the nurse sues his pants off.

PApagreg
09-03-2017, 10:32 PM
While I do think most cops are fair and polite I do think its kinda screwed up how the good ones don't call out the bad apples, like @Plastroncafe said the fact that the other officers did nothing while the cop was manhandling the nurse says a lot about the police force.

Cure
09-03-2017, 10:46 PM
Yeah, yeah, but...her last name is WUBBELSSSSSSSSSS.

dl316bh
09-03-2017, 11:23 PM
While I do think most cops are fair and polite I do think its kinda screwed up how the good ones don't call out the bad apples, like @Plastroncafe said the fact that the other officers did nothing while the cop was manhandling the nurse says a lot about the police force.
That's been the story for decades. The "blue wall". Basically Omerta for people with badges.

DestronMirage22
09-03-2017, 11:41 PM
A lot of rational, logical posts in this thread.
Nice.
I like this change of pace.

As for the topic at hand, it's a shame that the nurse was treated that way. She was just doing her job. That officer needs to get suspended or something for that kind of abuse of power.

I agree with you guys that not all cops are like that. I've interacted with some really nice police officers throughout the years who were kind and that genuinely wanted to help people. It's those other jerks that let their authority get to their heads that are the issue. I'm sure there are more good officers out there than bad ones, but with the media and social networks only reporting on the bad stuff, it's made things seem a lot worse than they are.

plastroncafe
09-04-2017, 12:15 AM
The media, social or otherwise, aren't to blame for this guy taking the law into his own hands. He's to blame for it.
Him and anyone who put him in a position to have any authority to abuse in the first place.

Blaming the media for this is like saying the only thing he did wrong was get caught.

There's no argument that the vast majority of police officers wouldn't try to illegally steal a person's blood, but the fact remains that this one did. And his fellow officers didn't try to stop him.

I have police in my family, and trust me, I know what it's like to be on the wrong side of that Thin Blue Line.

DestronMirage22
09-04-2017, 12:37 AM
The media, social or otherwise, aren't to blame for this guy taking the law into his own hands. He's to blame for it.
Him and anyone who put him in a position to have any authority to abuse in the first place.

Blaming the media for this is like saying the only thing he did wrong was get caught.



I probably didn't word my post right. I wasn't suggesting that. Of course the media isn't to blame for what he did. He's solely responsible for his wrong actions. The only others that would be at fault are, like you said, those that were negligent in choosing to put him in his position of (relative) power.

What I meant with the media thing was in response to earlier posts in regards to a lot of people seemg police officers as people who constantly abuse their power. It's a very wrong opinion to have, as most officers aren't like that. Butdue to the various media outlets reporting only this kind of stuff and shining a bad light on officers for the sake of generating buzz or whatever, it's an opinion that likely isn't going to any time soon.

Candy Kappa
09-04-2017, 03:27 AM
Yes and no. The arresting officer was wrong here. No disagreement there. From my limited understanding, not being a cop but having some aquaintances that are, they don't in public step up and correct each other by their training. Had it been just 2 or 3 cops, yeah say something and calm crazy down. Hopefully the "onlookers" said lt crazy was off his rock once at the station rather than backing him. Hey're supposed to be unified in the field...

That's horrifying, and sends out a message that cops acting illegally, abusing their power is a-okay for the other cops just standing there looking like a bunch of jackwagons.

The other cops should have done their job and apprehended the guy trying to use his power to commit a crime.

But then again, the attempt to get unconsented blood from the off-duty cop that was injuries in the crash caused by the badly handled high speed chase, was trying to get something incriminating from the blood report just in case a lawsuit would happen. So they're all corrupt cops.

plastroncafe
09-04-2017, 07:44 AM
What's interesting to me is that this guy did this while wearing a body cam.

So either he was so scared out of his mind that's something he had done earlier that day was so incriminating he wasn't thinking clearly.

Or he was so corrupt that he was sure he'd get away with it regardless of the footage.

Storm Eagle
09-04-2017, 09:16 AM
I agree with you guys that not all cops are like that. I've interacted with some really nice police officers throughout the years who were kind and that genuinely wanted to help people. It's those other jerks that let their authority get to their heads that are the issue. I'm sure there are more good officers out there than bad ones, but with the media and social networks only reporting on the bad stuff, it's made things seem a lot worse than they are.

I've found cops to be helpful if I've had to ask for directions, when a house I lived in got broken into, when I've been in car accidents (even the one that was my fault), and when I called them because I thought I heard someone strange in my apartment when I came home one day. Getting pulled over always sucks, but at least most of the ones who did that to me kept it limited to the necessary procedures. It was just one cop I had a bad experience with that when he pulled me over, decided to take it to a whole next level. It's apparently the only time I got pulled over for what they call "DWB". So I don't hate cops. I just know that I need to have my wits about me when dealing with them.

mrmaczaps
09-04-2017, 09:53 AM
I've found cops to be helpful if I've had to ask for directions, when a house I lived in got broken into, when I've been in car accidents (even the one that was my fault), and when I called them because I thought I heard someone strange in my apartment when I came home one day. Getting pulled over always sucks, but at least most of the ones who did that to me kept it limited to the necessary procedures. It was just one cop I had a bad experience with that when he pulled me over, decided to take it to a whole next level. It's apparently the only time I got pulled over for what they call "DWB". So I don't hate cops. I just know that I need to have my wits about me when dealing with them.

I have been pulled over one time in my life... for driving as a teenaged white male in a sports car at 1am... 3 cops... 1 in front, 2 behind... 2 left just before the third proceeded to make surehis high beems were in my mirrors and as I moved side to side opposite him to keep his headlights out of my mirrors, he flipped on the flashing lights (at the town line). I cracked the window, grabbed my id and paperwork and waited. He asked if I knew why he pulled me over, said I had crossed the median and asked if I was drinking. I answered honestly, saying I don't drink and that it looked like his high beems were on and I moved side to side in order to see. He laughed, went to his car and then came back a few minutes later and I didn't get a ticket. The next day, I told my friend, whose house I had been at before about what happened and she told her father, who apparently knew the Cheif of police and this cop & his buddies left me alone from there on out.

And I could have actually been pulled over a month ago as I hadn't put my new stickers on my plates (stupid registration) and the cop had followed closely and then distantly for quite a few miles before turning off. Likely he decided not to waste his time or mine, just to remind me it was August and no longer July... lol. I was house sitting and forgot.... lol

Anyways...

Klunk1234
09-04-2017, 10:41 AM
Definitely agree with Maczaps and Nines here. The media often says that law enforcement is bad when it is only a select few who abuse their position while others are out there doing their job and helping and protecting the streets. I have a very healthy respect for cops because two of my cousins are cops and are probably the greatest guys any of you will know.

You are right, in every profession you find rotten apples. Many true policemen give their lives for others. Thugs like this man should be fired for good. My sister and two of cousins are nurses and they are always ready to help their patients. That nurse should sue that policeman.

Storm Eagle
09-04-2017, 11:39 AM
The nurse has been interviewed about this incident.

https://www.yahoo.com/tv/utah-nurse-tells-story-her-043218740.html

Sage Ninja
10-10-2017, 11:25 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/utah-officer-fired-after-nurses-arrest-caught-on-video/ar-AAtgVA3?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=iehp

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cop was fired

SALT LAKE CITY (AP) ó A Utah police officer who was caught on video roughly handcuffing a nurse because she refused to allow a blood draw was fired Tuesday in a case that became a flashpoint in the ongoing national conversation about police use of force.



Salt Lake City Police Chief Mike Brown made the decision after an internal investigation found evidence Detective Jeff Payne violated department policies when he arrested nurse Alex Wubbels and dragged her out of the hospital as she screamed on July 26, said Sgt. Brandon Shearer, a spokesman for the department.

Attorney Greg Skordas has said Payne served the department well for nearly three decades and questioned whether his behavior warranted termination. He couldn't immediately be reached for comment Tuesday.

Payne's supervisor, Lt. James Tracy, was also demoted to officer. His lawyer, Ed Brass, couldn't immediately be reached for comment.

The case received widespread attention after the body-camera video was released by Wubbels and her lawyer in late August. Her lawyer didn't have immediate comment on the decision to fire Payne.

It showed her explaining that hospital policy required a warrant or formal consent to draw blood from the patient who had been injured in a car crash.

The patient wasn't suspected of wrongdoing. He was an off-duty reserve Idaho police officer driving a semitrailer when he was hit by a man fleeing police in a pickup truck.

Payne nevertheless insisted, saying the evidence would protect the man. Payne told Wubbels his supervisor said he should arrest her if she didn't allow the blood draw. Tracy arrived on scene after the arrest and forcefully told a handcuffed Wubbels that she should have allowed the blood draw. She was later released without charge.

Both officers came under investigation and were placed on paid administrative leave after the video became public. Salt Lake City police also apologized and changed their policies in line with Wubbels' position.

Prosecutors, meanwhile, opened a criminal investigation into the arrest and asked the FBI to probe for possible civil rights violations.

Payne was also fired from a part-time job as a paramedic after he was caught on camera saying he'd take transient patients to the University of Utah hospital where Wubbels worked and take the "good patients" elsewhere as retribution.

Payne had previously been disciplined in 2013 after internal-affairs investigators confirmed that he sexually harassed a female co-worker in a "persistent and severe" way.

His tenure has also brought commendations for solving burglary cases as recently as 2011 and a being shot in the shoulder during a traffic stop in 1998.

Tracy, meanwhile, has risen to through the ranks since he was hired in 1995, earning commendations for drug and burglary investigations. He was reprimanded in 1997 for moving two handcuffed people from one location to another a few miles away and releasing them without documenting the incident

plastroncafe
10-11-2017, 09:00 AM
About freaking time.

PApagreg
10-14-2017, 04:53 PM
Kinda wish he was arrested but this good too.