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Krutch
09-16-2017, 02:57 PM
Holding my breath until this march is over.

Things can go so terribly, terribly wrong.

Wishing the Juggalos all the best for a successful march.

Godspeed, ninjas.

Prowler
09-16-2017, 03:00 PM
Link?

What is special about this? And where is it?

plastroncafe
09-16-2017, 03:02 PM
This my be my favorite thing about the year thus far.

Krutch
09-16-2017, 03:03 PM
Official Juggalo March Website (https://www.juggalomarch.com)
The Best Signs So Far (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/351013-the-best-signs-from-the-juggalo-march-in-washington)

In a nutshell, FBI labelled fans of Insane Clown Posse, known as Juggalos, gang members. Because of this, people have lost their jobs, kids, refused at border crossings, are unable to donate plasma, been discharged from the army, and more. All because they listen to ICP. It's totally nuts. So the Juggalos are marching on Washington today to protest.

Prowler
09-16-2017, 03:11 PM
Official Juggalo March Website (https://www.juggalomarch.com)
The Best Signs So Far (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/351013-the-best-signs-from-the-juggalo-march-in-washington)

In a nutshell, FBI labelled fans of Insane Clown Posse, known as Juggalos, gang members. Because of this, people have lost their jobs, kids, refused at border crossings, are unable to donate plasma, been discharged from the army, and more. All because they listen to ICP. It's totally nuts. So the Juggalos are marching on Washington today to protest.
...wat. Why do they consider fans of the band to be delinquents?

Krutch
09-16-2017, 03:22 PM
Copying and pasting from another website...

Back in 2011, the Justice Department's National Gang Intelligence Center decided the Juggalos were a "loosely organized hybrid gang," like the Crips, Bloods and MS-13. The annual Gang Threat Assessment report said they engaged in criminal activity and violence.

"Crimes committed by Juggalos are sporadic, disorganized, individualistic, and often involve simple assault, personal drug use and possession, petty theft, and vandalism. However, open source reporting suggests that a small number of Juggalos are forming more organized subsets and engaging in more gang-like criminal activity, such as felony assaults, thefts, robberies, and drug sales. Social networking websites are a popular conveyance for Juggalo sub-culture to communicate and expand."

IndigoErth
09-16-2017, 03:26 PM
https://i.imgur.com/kmUoKqp.gif


So, um... they're marching as fans of a band? Kind of dumb for the FBI to label them like that (unless there has been valid reason of course), but... Just not understanding how anyone who keeps out of any associated trouble would even be having job issues, etc. If certain individuals have gotten into trouble, then they brought it on themselves and kind of petty for those particular people to even march... Just a shame if they've had a hand in giving the 'fandom' a bad name for those who are innocent.


You know... some crimes have been committed by people wearing TMNT masks. How soon do we get labled and when do we march? lol

Krutch
09-16-2017, 03:40 PM
You know... some crimes have been committed by people wearing TMNT masks. How soon do we get labled and when do we march? lol
You laugh, but that's kind of the point of the march. If they can be labelled, where does it stop? Bronies? The Kiss Army? Really, whats the difference?

I shouldn't have to worry about being registered into the gang database when going to visit my friend in Portland because of a Hatchet-Man tattoo I got when I was 15. The whole classification is bananas.

BubblyShell22
09-16-2017, 05:44 PM
Yeah, this is nuts, but it doesn't surprise me. Still, I really don't see the need for a protest just because of some generalizations. Don't these people have better things to do?

plastroncafe
09-16-2017, 05:53 PM
Better than protest the government sponsoring their persecution?

Over the past five years, our legal team has heard testimonies and reports from Juggalos all over the nation who have lost custody of their children, been fired from jobs, denied access into the armed forces, and the most common consequence — being officially labeled as a gang member by law enforcement agencies for wearing Juggalo related clothing or brandishing one or more Juggalo tattoos. A simple traffic stop for a broken tail light can — and has — resulted in an otherwise law-abiding, hard-working, taxpaying citizen being put on a local or state list of gang members simply for displaying their Juggalo pride. Being labeled a gang member can be a permanent stain on an individual’s life, since it will come up in a simple background check every single time. Whether that person is applying for a job, trying to adopt a child, join the armed forces, or attempting to acquire housing … their name may pop up as being “gang-affiliated,” even if that person has never been charged with any kind of crime.

Redeemer
09-16-2017, 07:13 PM
You laugh, but that's kind of the point of the march. If they can be labelled, where does it stop? Bronies? The Kiss Army? Really, whats the difference?

I shouldn't have to worry about being registered into the gang database when going to visit my friend in Portland because of a Hatchet-Man tattoo I got when I was 15. The whole classification is bananas.

I don't think any of those groups have large portions of their members committing in criminal acts......
Its like saying the Hell Angels aren't a gang or the Arian Brother hood and the KKK not being radical racist. The Jugalo community from what I have personally seen seem to be somewhere between being a gang and not being a gang if that makes sense :lol: As a whole they are not a criminal organization, but within the sub groups they have some sub groups who very much act like gangs.
This is just my view personal view from my personal experiences with my interactions with these individuals.

Krutch
09-16-2017, 07:43 PM
I don't think any of those groups have large portions of their members committing in criminal acts......
Its like saying the Hell Angels aren't a gang or the Arian Brother hood and the KKK not being radical racist. The Jugalo community from what I have personally seen seem to be somewhere between being a gang and not being a gang if that makes sense :lol: As a whole they are not a criminal organization, but within the sub groups they have some sub groups who very much act like gangs.
This is just my view personal view from my personal experiences with my interactions with these individuals.So you're saying it's justified to label all Juggalos as gang members based on the actions of a few bad eggs? Because of sporadic, unorganized acts of criminal behaviour in another country, it's okay that I'm registered as a gang member when I go to pay for a parking ticket because I listen to the same music they do?

Redeemer
09-16-2017, 08:11 PM
So you're saying it's justified to label all Juggalos as gang members based on the actions of a few bad eggs? Because of sporadic, unorganized acts of criminal behaviour in another country, it's okay that I'm registered as a gang member when I go to pay for a parking ticket because I listen to the same music they do?

Here is the problem a LARGE not majority, but large portion of self-identified Juggalos have form gangs under the banner "Juggalos" The FBI even made this distinction themselves. Thats the problem. There are many (majority) Juggalos that are law abiding citizens and have no ties to the actual gangs, but the numbers are large enough for the FBI to consider them a gang.
But to answer your question Yes I think it is warrantied, bc its not a "few" its a large populous from what Ive read.

Krutch
09-16-2017, 08:26 PM
Wow.

So, to be clear, what you're saying is that you believe it's completely warranted that a cop can pull me over for having a busted tail light and permanently register me as a gang member despite having a completely clean criminal record just because I have ICP on my iPod? How do you consider this fair to me?

Redeemer
09-16-2017, 08:34 PM
Wow.

So, to be clear, what you're saying is that you believe it's completely warranted that a cop can pull me over for having a busted tail light and permanently register me as a gang member despite having a completely clean criminal record just because I have ICP on my iPod? How do you consider this fair to me?

:lol:
Is that suppose to be a joke ?? Thats not how it works at all. The main reason for labeling certain groups gangs is to use the Rico Statue. I don't think its meant to target people such as you who simply enjoy there music.

Krutch
09-16-2017, 09:56 PM
:lol:
Is that suppose to be a joke ?? Thats not how it works at all. The main reason for labeling certain groups gangs is to use the Rico Statue. I don't think its meant to target people such as you who simply enjoy there music.

Dude, look up the stories that have been vetted by ICP's legal team on the March website. People go in to pay parking tickets and are registered. People "like" ICP on Facebook, get fired.

Powder
09-16-2017, 10:08 PM
He's a fool, don't waste your time, Krutch.

Krutch
09-17-2017, 05:27 AM
He's a fool, don't waste your time, Krutch.
lol fair enough.

Well, looks like the march went off without a hitch.

And dare I say, even if its just for the moment, have Juggalos garnered some newfound respect from the general public? I google "Juggalo March" and I get about 10 different news stories all talking about how Juggalos behaved well, spread love, and maybe are just misunderstood fans after all.

Damn proud of everyone who went.

Redeemer
09-17-2017, 11:15 AM
He's a fool, don't waste your time, Krutch.
Powder You're being Ignorant seriously stop it.

lol fair enough.

Well, looks like the march went off without a hitch.

And dare I say, even if its just for the moment, have Juggalos garnered some newfound respect from the general public? I google "Juggalo March" and I get about 10 different news stories all talking about how Juggalos behaved well, spread love, and maybe are just misunderstood fans after all.

Damn proud of everyone who went.
Krutch Im sorry, but I side with law enforcement on this topic. Its unfortunate that innocent people have been harmed with this decision, but In my view its a necessary one.

I'll be frank with you guys that I am biased in this situation, bc I used to be in law enforcement and I understand why Juggalos were slapped with this label.

Laws shackle good men, but they also punishment bad men.

If you guys want to resort name calling, because you guys can't defend your position or are too immature to have a polite adult conversation that is your prerogative, but it just reinforces my opinion.

snake
09-17-2017, 11:20 AM
Hahahahahahahahaha

Redeemer
09-17-2017, 11:50 AM
Hopefully this will be my last post, this is to just prove and reinforce my point. This is out of Virginia

https://patch.com/virginia/kingstowne/latin-kings-and-ms-13-detectives-talk-about-franconia7845b9ed8c

This is why they were designated as gangs. This is why it is needed. Now that they have been identified as a gang law enforcement can now use the "Rico" statute , bc they are now technically a criminal organization.

In the article law enforcement makes a clear and precise statement segregating law abiding fans of ICP and the juggalos who are committing these disgusting crimes.

It sucks that people have been hurt by this decision, but it is necessary.

plastroncafe
09-17-2017, 12:09 PM
Laws shackle good men, but they also punishment bad men.


I disagree with this premise.

Krutch
09-17-2017, 02:37 PM
The detective cautioned that listening to the Insane Clown Posse, or even being a juggalo, does not mean a person is a criminal. “Don’t freak out,” he advised people who might know a juggalo, saying listening to the music does not make a person a criminal.

The detectives said anyone who sees the “Hatchet Man,” an ICP symbol, should report it to Fairfax County police. The image, the silhouette of a running man carrying a hatchet or cleaver, can sometimes be seen on cars, according to the detective. He asked that people send them the license plate numbers of cars with the Hatchet Man logo.

So basically, "Don't freak out, but I'm going to do a background check on you and if you're clean, all I'll do is list you as is "gang affiliated" which will come up in any background check when you try to adopt a kid, buy a house, get a job, etc... Have fun!"

I know you believe the system works, but I'll ask again: Did you even read the stories on the Juggalo March website?

See, that's the thing. You believe that if you're one of the good ones it won't matter since it's designed to weed out the bad ones, but thats not the case. Because of the actions of less than a hundred Juggalos, a hundred thousand of them are being treated as if they committed the crimes themselves.

You also need to consider ICPs fanbase largely consists of young, broke white kids. You know what a lot of young, broke white kids will do regardless of what music they listen to? Criminal behaviour. One doesn't equate the other.

I have a feeling you'd change your tune the second you're targeted as a gang member.

MsMarvelDuckie
09-17-2017, 02:47 PM
The detective cautioned that listening to the Insane Clown Posse, or even being a juggalo, does not mean a person is a criminal. “Don’t freak out,” he advised people who might know a juggalo, saying listening to the music does not make a person a criminal.

The detectives said anyone who sees the “Hatchet Man,” an ICP symbol, should report it to Fairfax County police. The image, the silhouette of a running man carrying a hatchet or cleaver, can sometimes be seen on cars, according to the detective. He asked that people send them the license plate numbers of cars with the Hatchet Man logo.

So basically, "Don't freak out, but I'm going to do a background check on you and if you're clean, all I'll do is list you as is "gang affiliated" which will come up in any background check when you try to adopt a kid, buy a house, get a job, etc... Have fun!"

I know you believe the system works, but I'll ask again: Did you even read the stories on the Juggalo March website?

See, that's the thing. You believe that if you're one of the good ones it won't matter since it's designed to weed out the bad ones, but thats not the case. Because of the actions of less than a hundred Juggalos, a hundred thousand of them are being treated as if they reported the crimes themselves.

You also need to consider ICPs fanbase largely consists of young, broke white kids. You know what a lot of young, broke white kids will do regardless of what music they listen to? Criminal behaviour. One doesn't equate the other.

I have a feeling you'd change your tune the second you're targeted as a gang member.


Agreed. I can't even stand their music, but even I know this is wrong. It's no different than blaming video games of D&D for some idiot's criminal behavior. The only difference is the form of media. (And fans of Eminem can be just as bad, TBH....)

plastroncafe
09-17-2017, 03:24 PM
If you've done nothing wrong, Citizen, you have nothing to fear!

sdp
09-17-2017, 03:33 PM
Krutch is a criminal, period.
We see through your deceit, you ain't foolin' nobody.

BubblyShell22
09-17-2017, 06:03 PM
I agree that just because a select few of these people may have done bad things it doesn't mean everyone who likes the band should be targeted. I'm not a fan of their music myself, but this is definitely ridiculous. Not sure what the protest will do as I feel people won't listen anyway, but good for them for trying.

snake
09-17-2017, 06:05 PM
Y'know, I'd have no problems with a Juggalo Genocide.

ProactiveMan
09-18-2017, 12:47 AM
I haven't heard the term Juggalo in a looooong time. I'm very surprised these guys are still around... I guess diabetes takes longer to kill you than I thought.

Prowler
09-18-2017, 12:53 AM
I haven't heard the term Juggalo in a looooong time. I'm very surprised these guys are still around... I guess diabetes takes longer to kill you than I thought.
I dint' even know what a Juggalo was until 2015 or so. Did Insane Clown Posse not achieve much success outside of USA or something? I mean, I was born in 1990. I remember the heyday of bands like Limp Bizkit, Korn, Linkin park, etc. quite well, but I have ZERO memories of Insane Clown Posse.

TurtleWA
09-18-2017, 01:14 AM
I dint' even know what a Juggalo was until 2015 or so. Did Insane Clown Posse not achieve much success outside of USA or something? I mean, I was born in 1990. I remember the heyday of bands like Limp Bizkit, Korn, Linkin park, etc. quite well, but I have ZERO memories of Insane Clown Posse.

Yeah I don't have many memories of ICP music as much as I do about them and some professional wrestling things they did back in the late 90's. I think that's when I first heard of them.

Krutch
09-18-2017, 07:55 AM
Krutch is a criminal, period.
We see through your deceit, you ain't foolin' nobody.
Busted :P
Not sure what the protest will do as I feel people won't listen anyway, but good for them for trying.ICP said themselves that they don't think the march will actually change anything, but doing nothing would be like saying what the FBI did was okay.

I dint' even know what a Juggalo was until 2015 or so. Did Insane Clown Posse not achieve much success outside of USA or something? I mean, I was born in 1990. I remember the heyday of bands like Limp Bizkit, Korn, Linkin park, etc. quite well, but I have ZERO memories of Insane Clown Posse.ICP was never mainstream; certainly nowhere near the heights of the bands you mentioned. They were never on the radio or featured in any MTV countdowns so you had to go out of your way to listen to them. It's a big reason I never understood the hate they got. I mean, I can understand that the music is total garbage to some but its not like you couldn't escape hearing it unlike Bieber or Miley Cyrus where you're going to hear them whenever you turn on a radio.

Yeah I don't have many memories of ICP music as much as I do about them and some professional wrestling things they did back in the late 90's. I think that's when I first heard of them.Yeah, the late 90s was ICP's heyday what with them being in WWF, WCW, and even appearing at Woodstock 99.

BubblyShell22
09-18-2017, 08:10 AM
I do remember some of the pro wrestling stuff they did as they did the theme for The Oddities. I didn't totally hate them, but their music wasn't something I really wanted to listen to.

Prowler
09-18-2017, 06:45 PM
Yeah I don't have many memories of ICP music as much as I do about them and some professional wrestling things they did back in the late 90's. I think that's when I first heard of them.
They got stone cold stunned by Stone Cold Steve Austin one time iirc.

ProactiveMan
09-19-2017, 01:40 AM
I dint' even know what a Juggalo was until 2015 or so. Did Insane Clown Posse not achieve much success outside of USA or something? I mean, I was born in 1990. I remember the heyday of bands like Limp Bizkit, Korn, Linkin park, etc. quite well, but I have ZERO memories of Insane Clown Posse.

They are very American. They dress like Kevin Smith and worship off-brand soft drink.