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Panda_Kahn_fan
09-21-2017, 08:46 AM
You know, with the current state of TMNT movies, I suppose this is a moot point... but does anybody think if we ever get to a TMNT movie in a series with Renet and Savante, people will give it a chance? I'm afraid as soon as 'time scepter' and time traveling turtles are mentioned, people won't give it a chance becuse of TMNT 3. Also, does anyone think tmnt 3 would've been better with Renet instead of April, and Savante Romero trying to sell futuristic weapons to Norinaga instead of Walker? (yeah, I know, poor puppetry, but still....)

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
09-21-2017, 09:28 AM
Futuristic weapons from who?

Panda_Kahn_fan
09-21-2017, 09:47 AM
Futuristic weapons from who?

Savante Romero

IndigoErth
09-21-2017, 10:05 AM
Ehhhhh..... The frequent time jumping stuff that would even be the entire point of using them works better through episodes of a series, imo, and may be harder to incorporate into a film with a solid story. If a show spends 10 min in a medieval period, so be it; if a film does it...what was even the point, it wasn't even long enough to really enjoy that part or make it mean anything.

Savante Romero might also require an awful lot of time given to backstory so that uneducated viewers even get what he's about, rather than offering no info on the confusing situation of why it looks like the devil is traversing time and fighting the Turtles. Then add in Renet's needed backstory as well to explain what this odd ditzy woman has to do with it and why she isn't just some normal Earth person involved for an unknown reason.


That said, taken from Savante looking and being kind of demonic... now I want a Turtles vs The Underworld. :trazz:

Andrew NDB
09-21-2017, 11:34 AM
You know, with the current state of TMNT movies, I suppose this is a moot point... but does anybody think if we ever get to a TMNT movie in a series with Renet and Savante, people will give it a chance? I'm afraid as soon as 'time scepter' and time traveling turtles are mentioned, people won't give it a chance becuse of TMNT 3. Also, does anyone think tmnt 3 would've been better with Renet instead of April, and Savante Romero trying to sell futuristic weapons to Norinaga instead of Walker? (yeah, I know, poor puppetry, but still....)

TMNT 3 would have been way better with Renet and Savanti and not April and FAKE Casey Jones.

Ulisa
09-21-2017, 11:40 AM
I still stand by the idea that it wasn’t necessarily the ideas in TMNT III that were bad, it was the execution. I liked seeing some character development for Mikey though, it could have been done better.Time travel has all kinds of awesome potential in it and given that Savanti and Renet are knee deep in it, why not?

Andrew NDB
09-21-2017, 11:41 AM
They should've taken more from Dooney's "Masks." The Turtles showing up and accidentally causing the creation of the Foot in Feudal Japan.

FredWolfLeonardo
09-21-2017, 01:25 PM
I'm not opposed to the idea of time travel, especially if its the sequel of a movie after Shredder being killed and they have to face his ancestors and the Original Foot Ninjas in Feudal Japan.

That being said, I think Shredder and Hamato Yoshis ancestors was a big missed opportunity in TMNT 3, instead we get Casey and Splinters ancestors for no reason and Walker as a villain.

Ulisa
09-21-2017, 01:39 PM
A lot of people have mentioned before that a live action movie based off “Legend of Koji” from the OT would have been intriguing and I still tend to agree with that.

FredWolfLeonardo
09-21-2017, 01:44 PM
I liked that episode better than all of tmnt 3 :)

neatoman
09-21-2017, 02:12 PM
I liked that episode better than all of tmnt 3 :)

Of course you did, you got through it about five times faster.

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
09-21-2017, 02:34 PM
I liked that episode better than all of tmnt 3 :)

Rahzar and Tokka were also more well-written in the original series than Secret of the Ooze.

FredWolfLeonardo
09-21-2017, 02:36 PM
Of course you did, you got through it about five times faster.

Thats not the only reason I like it more.

CyberCubed
09-21-2017, 03:07 PM
Savanti's costume would have looked horrid in TMNT III, no way would a guy walking around in a demon mask looked good with 1993's production values.

They could have used Renet I guess, but her character was unknown outside of comics fans back in 1993.

myconius
09-21-2017, 03:47 PM
Savanti's costume would have looked horrid in TMNT III, no way would a guy walking around in a demon mask looked good with 1993's production values.

They could have used Renet I guess, but her character was unknown outside of comics fans back in 1993.

it could have looked awesome provided they had the proper budget.


https://i.makeagif.com/media/6-03-2015/o-aCcP.gif

^ this as an example was from 1985

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
09-22-2017, 07:01 AM
They could have used Renet I guess, but her character was unknown outside of comics fans back in 1993.

So was Savanti Romero too.

myconius
09-22-2017, 07:20 AM
Danny and Keno were both unknown all across the board,
but they were forced upon unsuspecting audiences anyway.

i personally would have much rather seen a chance taken on Savanti and Renet.

d_osborn
09-22-2017, 10:25 AM
E&L had good intentions/ideas for TMNT 3. They didn't want to rush it after the bad experience with SOTO, but Golden Harvest just completely screwed the pooch.

Barron even mentioned at one point wanting to do a TMNT Japan time travel story. They should've just handed it back off to him after the declining profits of SOTO.

Andrew NDB
09-22-2017, 10:56 AM
E&L had good intentions/ideas for TMNT 3. They didn't want to rush it after the bad experience with SOTO, but Golden Harvest just completely screwed the pooch.

Barron even mentioned at one point wanting to do a TMNT Japan time travel story. They should've just handed it back off to him after the declining profits of SOTO.

I never even noticed that TMNT II did less than half of the box office of TMNT I. Huh. Yeah, they should have learned. TMNT II definitely didn't underperform because of a lack of TMNT fans in 1991.

myconius
09-22-2017, 02:00 PM
I never even noticed that TMNT II did less than half of the box office of TMNT I.

this is what happens when Ninja warriors trade their weapons with yo-yos and hard salamis.

Andrew NDB
09-22-2017, 02:04 PM
this is what happens when Ninja warriors trade their weapons with yo-yos and hard salamis.

And double-down with this for an encore:

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While III is arguably better than II beyond the costumes, but that's probably one of the worst intros I've ever seen. Even as a kid in 1993, I was worried right away.

sdp
09-22-2017, 03:03 PM
In my headcanon the scientists from TMNT II are Utroms and Renet accidentally left the time scepter where it was found, she later retrieves it.

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
09-22-2017, 03:56 PM
In my headcanon the scientists from TMNT II are Utroms.

That's how it was intended to be. No excuse to edit it out.

neatoman
09-22-2017, 04:14 PM
While III is arguably better than II beyond the costumes

What arguments are there in favor of it? Neither one is actually good but 2 at least tied up the loose end of where the Ooze came from and kind of explored the consequences of the first movie, 3 just seems pointless and poorly paced.

***First of Two Latin Kings***
09-22-2017, 04:31 PM
this is what happens when Ninja warriors trade their weapons with yo-yos and hard salamis.


I personally prefer a nice hard salami going down my throat to a nunchaku ANY day.

myconius
09-22-2017, 05:46 PM
And double-down with this for an encore:

_y-nbSuW2Zc#t=00m10s

While III is arguably better than II beyond the costumes, but that's probably one of the worst intros I've ever seen. Even as a kid in 1993, I was worried right away.

yeah that intro's pretty wretched.
at least it was ZZ Top playing and not one of the songs from the Pizza Hut tour.

I personally prefer a nice hard salami going down my throat to a nunchaku ANY day.

i chose option (D) none of the above. :lol:

pferreira
09-28-2017, 11:09 AM
A lot of people have mentioned before that a live action movie based off “Legend of Koji” from the OT would have been intriguing and I still tend to agree with that.Yeah. Guess which was better?

Thats not the only reason I like it more.It was also well written.

I never even noticed that TMNT II did less than half of the box office of TMNT I. Huh. Yeah, they should have learned. TMNT II definitely didn't underperform because of a lack of TMNT fans in 1991.The sequels as expected all suffered from diminishing returns you'd expect from sequels but the second and third movie were by no means flops and made considerable profit.

Andrew NDB
09-28-2017, 11:36 AM
The sequels as expected all suffered from diminishing returns you'd expect from sequels but the second and third movie were by no means flops and made considerable profit.

Not really. TMNT II had a production budget of 25 million... it's hard to speculate what the marketing budget would be in a movie in 1991, but let's say it's shockingly low and the same as the production budget, another 25 million. The movie made 78 million stateside. Going by the usual math (theaters taking their cuts), New Line/Golden Harvest took home about 60 million of that, probably less. That's 60 million against 50 million to make the movie. The overseas data on TMNT II and III is not known for some strange reason, but let's assume it performed proportionately the same as TMNT I did overseas, adjusted for the same decline seen domestically between films (TMNT I did 135 million domestically with an added 67 million overseas, TMNT II did 78 domestically)... that gives us another 40 million overseas. Cut that in half because you're losing half of the money on international ticket sales, that's another 20 million in the pot. 80 million against 50 million to make it. Not terrible but not a slam dunk, either.

TMNT III, only 4 million dollars less to make than TMNT II but it made only half the money. They probably did end up in the red on III, clawing to a breaking even point when it came time for home video sales and such.

pferreira
10-05-2017, 10:54 AM
Not really. TMNT II had a production budget of 25 million... it's hard to speculate what the marketing budget would be in a movie in 1991, but let's say it's shockingly low and the same as the production budget, another 25 million. The movie made 78 million stateside. Going by the usual math (theaters taking their cuts), New Line/Golden Harvest took home about 60 million of that, probably less. That's 60 million against 50 million to make the movie. The overseas data on TMNT II and III is not known for some strange reason, but let's assume it performed proportionately the same as TMNT I did overseas, adjusted for the same decline seen domestically between films (TMNT I did 135 million domestically with an added 67 million overseas, TMNT II did 78 domestically)... that gives us another 40 million overseas. Cut that in half because you're losing half of the money on international ticket sales, that's another 20 million in the pot. 80 million against 50 million to make it. Not terrible but not a slam dunk, either.

TMNT III, only 4 million dollars less to make than TMNT II but it made only half the money. They probably did end up in the red on III, clawing to a breaking even point when it came time for home video sales and such.The sequels definitely did less well but were still profitable for the studio. The sequels were hardly flops both in the US and internationally. Then again I'm not sure how TMNT II could have made more money than the original since the original film was the ninth highest grossing film that year and for many years the highest grossing independent film of all time. That's quite a large bar to set.

Andrew NDB
10-05-2017, 10:55 AM
The sequels definitely did less well but were still profitable for the studio. The sequels were hardly flops both in the US and internationally. Then again I'm not sure how TMNT II could have made more money than the original

But... I just explained how none of that is true.

Peter Palmer
10-05-2017, 01:51 PM
But... I just explained how none of that is true.

:tlol:

Ok, that was funny. Pretty much refuting hard facts with a "nuh-uh!".

Coola Yagami
10-05-2017, 04:32 PM
If they had just put Renet and a less demonic looking Savanti in there (think of the kids) THAT would have been the way to introduce them to the fanbase at large. Who cares if kids didn't know who they were, they would by watching the movie, and it would have led to toys and possibly an appearance on the cartoon. Then as adults we would have been surprised to find out that what we once thought were original movie characters were from the comics all along.

I mean c'mon, kids had to accept Splinter as a rat, an all-human Foot Clan and lack of Techmodrome and whatnot, as well as flowing a Mirage based storyline unlike anything they've seen on the show. And Vanilla Ice.

I'm sure they would have accepted Renet and Savanti better than Walker and Mitsu. Even if 'omg they wouldn't know they were from the comics'. Most of us didn't know about Yoshi and Splinter not being the same person either.

Andrew NDB
10-05-2017, 04:47 PM
:tlol:

Ok, that was funny. Pretty much refuting hard facts with a "nuh-uh!".

That is exactly what you did to my post. Except you forgot to include any facts.

Coola Yagami
10-07-2017, 10:04 PM
yeah that intro's pretty wretched.
at least it was ZZ Top playing and not one of the songs from the Pizza Hut tour.



i chose option (D) none of the above. :lol:

At the very least.... those were some sweet moves they were doing.

CyberCubed
10-08-2017, 02:50 AM
It's probably the same reason Renet and Savanti never appeared in the original cartoon. I mean the show could have easily used them, or at least Renet, but they were completely ignored.

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
10-08-2017, 07:43 AM
It's probably the same reason Renet and Savanti never appeared in the original cartoon. I mean the show could have easily used them, or at least Renet, but they were completely ignored.

The series played so much of 1950's and 60's science fiction that it was better to use time machines.

Panda_Kahn_fan
11-04-2017, 12:27 PM
Well, if they made a modern TMNT time traveling movie with Renet, this is what I would've done.

-Open with the turtles stopping a group of thieves (maybe the purple dragons) from robbing a history museum. The turtles meet the curator of the Heian-period Japanese exhibit, Renet Tilly, who watches them stop the crooks, then thanks them for saving the exhibit.

-The next night, the turtles come back to visit Renet, who shows them the mystical time scepter, a Shinto Japanese relic from the Heian period. Mikey messes with the scepter, and sends Renet and the four turtles bouncing through time.

-The five end up jumping wildly through time, encountering mutants through the earth's history who had been affected by the ooze; first they end up in ancient egypt, where they prevent an attempt to overthrow Pharaoh by a mutant gator whose name translates as 'Leatherhead'.

-Next they end up in feudal Japan, where they save Ninja Master Hamato Yoshi and his four sons from assassination by a group of Ninjas led by the evil Kappa, Slash, who had actually been sent by the Ninja warlord, Oroku Saki. (The connection Between Yoshi and his sons and the turtles is never spelled out by the movie, but the audience gets hints).

-Then finally, Victorian England, Where the rat king threatens the city with his rat-monster horde from the city's sewers.

-Renet was magically bonded to the staff when it was activated, and must use it's power to not only try and steer them through time, but also to use her newfound magic to fight with the TMNT. The time scepter's magic also translates for them both ways in the first two eras.

-the film ends with a return to the near-present... only to find Shredder has taken over the world, the Technodrome is sitting in the middle of new York... and a squad of foot and Rock soldiers- led by Bebop and Rocksteady- have the newly returned turtles surrounded.... roll credits.

sdp
11-04-2017, 07:28 PM
It's probably the same reason Renet and Savanti never appeared in the original cartoon. I mean the show could have easily used them, or at least Renet, but they were completely ignored.

The OT didn't even use some characters that would fit perfectly for it like Fugitod, we got plenty of fugitoid like stories with random robots instead of one for Fugitoid.

pferreira
11-09-2017, 09:25 AM
The OT didn't even use some characters that would fit perfectly for it like Fugitod, we got plenty of fugitoid like stories with random robots instead of one for Fugitoid.That was a curious missed opportunity they made yes.