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ZariusTwo
09-22-2017, 01:16 PM
The ongoing social media warfare between comic professionals and Youtube personality Diversity and Comics reaches criminal new lows

https://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/2017/09/21/secret-facebook-page-reveals-marvel-dc-comics-writers-conspiring-harass-comic-con-conservatives/

ProphetofGanja
09-22-2017, 01:43 PM
Wow I have a very different take on that whole chain of events

snake
09-22-2017, 01:58 PM
God, I love Diversity and Comics. Watching these balding, bespectacled cucks get pissed off makes me hard.

oldmanwinters
09-22-2017, 02:05 PM
I'm thinking I might actually drop the "Ghostbusters: Answer the Call Again" mini-series from my pull-list on account of Kelly Thompson's involvement. Do we know which comics personalities were actually encouraging people to goad a conservative fan into violence?

TurtleWA
09-22-2017, 02:22 PM
I'm thinking I might actually drop the "Ghostbusters: Answer the Call Again" mini-series from my pull-list on account of Kelly Thompson's involvement. Do we know which comics personalities were actually encouraging people to goad a conservative fan into violence?

If you follow the link and look towards the bottom of the article a screen grab is posted of some conversation. I googled the last two names that talked about violence. Never heard of them. Taylor Esposito & B. Clay Moore

ZariusTwo
09-22-2017, 02:23 PM
Even though she admits to never having experiences with violent fans at conventions, I was dismayed to see Joadie Houser (Faith) in that chat...she's due to take over the Amazing Spider-Man: Renew Your Vows book in November

Candy Kappa
09-22-2017, 02:23 PM
Meyer, who? Well that article was a trudge to read.

Vegita-San
09-22-2017, 03:38 PM
I'm thinking I might actually drop the "Ghostbusters: Answer the Call Again" mini-series from my pull-list on account of Kelly Thompson's involvement. Do we know which comics personalities were actually encouraging people to goad a conservative fan into violence?

A member of the ghostbuster community who doesn't like people who have opinions different from their own? color me shocked :/....many a strange conversation gotten into with GB talent ever since Feigbusters hit the screen. formerly normal people went ape crap trying to defend it to the point of being nonsensical that I had to stop talking to them, because it was no longer healthy..

'Normal comic pros have been chased away and it is now a weird club for people with personality disorders'

Interesting way to describe things. especially considering even the audience who these comics are supposed to be targeting apparently HATE the new changes just because they seemed forced. one african american guy on youtube from England ripped apart the new black female iron man, and i can't say I disagree with him.


Sooner or later, the industry will realize you can't cater to the social justice warrior crowd. and if you do, and succumb to that hateful culture, you will loose your intended audience fast.

Cure
09-22-2017, 03:57 PM
Meyer, who? Well that article was a trudge to read.

Did the page keep jumping around for you?

Andrew NDB
09-22-2017, 04:00 PM
'Normal comic pros have been chased away and it is now a weird club for people with personality disorders'

At the Big Two it doesn't seem like that's too far off the mark. Or crops of worksman-like puppet writers.

The Deadman
09-22-2017, 04:21 PM
And the sad thing is they're allowed to do it with today's society as screwed up as it is.

Powder
09-22-2017, 04:27 PM
Can't say this is a surprise whatsoever.

sdp
09-22-2017, 04:58 PM
That article was a mess to read but I ended up looking up the stuff elsewhere to get a better understanding and it seems both sides are trying to play victim

I did :lol: at this from that article though:
Meyer is just shy of 40,000 subscribers. He has more viewers than "The Avengers" comic book had readers in August.


Comics are a dying industry and it's only going to be come more niche as time passes, pandering to SJWs is just a way of them trying something different to see if it helps and it's likely costing them many more fans but it's not the sole reason the comics aren't selling.

God, I love Diversity and Comics.

I do too, but that's not what current comics are doing, they're pandering to a crowd that doesn't even buy comics and the expense of their characters.

Vegita-San
09-22-2017, 05:49 PM
TV is faulty at this too...

and the few times it DOES work, is because the actor they choose, and team they choose knows what they are doing, and gets the characters. I.e. Joe West.

of course, Hollywood doesn't understand that, and thinks 'See, it's because we did this and that and changed this. we are BRILLIANT! lets do it again for the same result!'

sigh.


--never heard of d ivirsity in comics before this, but I do enjoy mundane matt on occasion. found him during feigbusters as one of the rare people willing to tell the truth.

Sumac
09-22-2017, 10:02 PM
Sooner or later, the industry will realize you can't cater to the social justice warrior crowd. and if you do, and succumb to that hateful culture, you will loose your intended audience fast.
Hateful? More like ignorant and stupid.

They fight for the good cause, but in a way that makes them look like a hypocrites and their goals like a laughing stock and completely compromises them and their ideals.
A sad situation really, considering that it's all leading to rise of idiotic conservative "values" and true "Facshits".

ZariusTwo
09-23-2017, 12:22 AM
I do too

He was referring to the Youtuber

Spike Spiegel
09-23-2017, 08:29 AM
Sh*t like this is why I haven't bought a monthly comic from Marvel in a long time. "The Bullpen" seems to be a rather toxic place as of late.

And these people are supposed to be adult professionals. :trolleye:

Their egos are just as weak as those of the so-called "neckbeards" that they crusade against.

Papenbrook
09-23-2017, 09:46 AM
Sh*t like this is why I haven't bought a monthly comic from Marvel in a long time. "The Bullpen" seems to be a rather toxic place as of late.

And these people are supposed to be adult professionals. :trolleye:

Their egos are just as weak as those of the so-called "neckbeards" that they crusade against.

Yeah. It's sad that they're are people who act like this. You want to expect better from them, but then they end up proving you wrong.

It's frustratingly typical, though.

plastroncafe
09-23-2017, 12:04 PM
Wow I have a very different take on that whole chain of events

It's like a whole different looking Glass.

Galactus
09-23-2017, 05:43 PM
Comics are a dying industry and it's only going to be come more niche as time passes, pandering to SJWs is just a way of them trying something different to see if it helps and it's likely costing them many more fans but it's not the sole reason the comics aren't selling.

I do too, but that's not what current comics are doing, they're pandering to a crowd that doesn't even buy comics and the expense of their characters.

I find comments like these kinda ironic. I tend to avoid youtube idiots who burn copies of Moon Girl or flush copies of Ms Marvel down the toilet but when I have bothered to watch these "reviewers" specifically Diversity and Comics at least half the comments are from people who say they don't read comics but want a good rant about leftists, SJWs, social marxists with the liberal conspiracies.

The assumption that comic fans largely don't want diversity is ridiculous. There has long been an audience that have quietly begged the big two for more diversity and specific groups asking for better representation in the medium.

While it would be nice to think that the big twos push for greater diversity is finally acting upon that Marvel in particular do it because lots of people are buying. Think back to Miles Morales who had the non-comic book reading political right pundits ranting how it was political correctness run amok but it was a huge critical and commercial hit, then came Kamala Khan who likewise had pretty big backlash and yet the character proved to be be big hit followed by Jane Foster becoming the new Thor and outselling the previous volume of Thor starring the male version of the character which itself was a high seller. It wouldn't take a genius to see a pattern for success and make it a model.

And yeah Marvel's diversity push has had a few more big successes, a few flops and most have kinda landed in the middle. You could argue that they they went too far but by trial and error a medium which has long struggled for breakout characters and concepts past the silver age has a number of them which will prove way more valuable when they start being featured in cartoons, movies and merchandising.

In terms of publishing these characters are very valuable because they sell well digitally and/or via trade which is pretty much the future of comic books. Apparently a low selling order Scholastic beats most high selling to comic book stores baring out claims that Marvel makes more money from comics now than they've made in decades.

Putting aside the not insignificant number of people that have a problem with diversity characters out of legitimate bigotry I think this is a problem for "bread and butter" fans who sense they are being pushed out for a more desirable market. This has long been a problem for them, since the rise of super hero movies there's been a lot of sneering whenever the big two try and even slightly market their comics to audience that enjoy the movies now they are getting upset because Marvel is putting some focus on what is working in other markets.

I'd feel some sympathy for them but often the legacy characters that have been replaced haven't sold well in a while anyway. It's like child who isn't playing with a toy but doesn't want anyone else playing with it either.

snake
09-23-2017, 06:34 PM
He was referring to the Youtuber

Yeah, I was. Thanks lol

Spike Spiegel
09-23-2017, 06:53 PM
It has nothing to do with being anti-gay, or anti-black, or anti-Latino, or anything like that...Latino characters should stay Latino. The Black Panther should certainly not be Swiss. I just see no reason to change that which has already been established when its so easy to add new characters. I say create new characters the way you want to. Hell, Ill do it myself.

-Stan Lee, 2015 (https://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/jun/23/stan-lee-spider-man-should-stay-white-and-straight)

Galactus
09-23-2017, 07:42 PM
“It has nothing to do with being anti-gay, or anti-black, or anti-Latino, or anything like that...Latino characters should stay Latino. The Black Panther should certainly not be Swiss. I just see no reason to change that which has already been established when it’s so easy to add new characters. I say create new characters the way you want to. Hell, I’ll do it myself.”

-Stan Lee, 2015 (https://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/jun/23/stan-lee-spider-man-should-stay-white-and-straight)

I guarantee if they did do a non straight, white male Spider-Man in movies Stan Lee would be all over it praising the idea. He's the perfect company man who adjusts his opinions based on what is seen to be the right thing at the time.

The whole idea of creating new diversity heroes as being the acceptable way to do diversity was shot down with Mosiac. Now I get launching a completely new character and charging five bucks for it was not the best strategy but every chud that complained about established mantles being passed to minority characters should have given the first issue a chance on principal. What we got was months before the book launched heavy backlash and very conveniently the yard sticks moved with complaints that it was another black hero, questions about if Mosaic is a new character why should anyone care and accusations that the character was being "shoved down our throats" based on the fact that he had one promo image and the writer giving two (count 'em) interviews at two different websites.

The truth is the fact that the big twos most formative years being in the sixties and seventies that's where all their primary heroes come from. How many breakout characters that can carry a long running ongoing have their been since then? A handful at best and that's before getting into the how non straight, white male heroes specifically have traditionally struggled to catch on.

It may not be the best way but frankly having diversity heroes assume the roles of some of Marvel's best known brands is a model that has consistently worked and produced some genuine hits. Besides it's been a long accepted trope of the medium but barely anyone cries foul at Bucky as Captain America or Dick Grayson as Batman the way people do about Sam Wilson or Jaime Reyes. Heck, people cry foul at non legacies getting a boost. Over at DC Duke Thomas still has a hate club, there are people who argue Cyborg can't be a founding member of the Justice League in a new universe. What's the betting that if the New 52 had added The Atom or Green Arrow as a founder instead there would be little complaints.

sdp
09-24-2017, 01:35 PM
Stan Lee will shill for whatever the company wants, like Steve Wozniak it's really hard to find them say something negative about anything. I read some headlines as if Stan Lee was mad that Captain America was hydra but the actual quote actually has him saying that it's interesting and things would surely go back to normal :lol: FAKE NEWS


I disagree with you however Galactus, while there will always be bigots and people who complain over any change whatsoever, this isn't the current problem and situation.

I think a lot of us love diversity in comics, we just don't like how it has been done recently. No one likes a marketing stunt being shoved down your throat and there are ways to do it right. Jaime Reyes and Miles Morales are excellent examples of them doing it right, changing Wally to black for no reason but "diversity" is retarded, especially since we don't even have that many redheaded heroes. DC actually fixed this now by having them both being cousins and existing in the same timeline or something like that. I had nothing against a black speedster until that black speedster replaced my favorite character and did not act like the character I loved. I can like him as a different character if he is interesting enough.

Stan Lee might change his opinion a lot but I agree completely with that quote, I want new characters who are interesting, not replacing established ones. Dwayne McDuffie and Todd Macfarlane thought like that which is why they created Static and Spawn and are loved. It doesn't matter that the comics started in the 60s, that's a weak excuse for poor writing and not wanting to take real risks.

And if you think they really mean it and aren't just pandering for sales then why not make Superman black or Captain America Latino, and not just for a quick comic arc? Now that would be change. It's more insulting that minorities can only be sidekicks or temporary in the role.

Vegita-San
09-24-2017, 01:48 PM
they did make 'chinese superman' of all things..

ugh.. how did that one turn out?

ZariusTwo
09-24-2017, 02:55 PM
they did make 'chinese superman' of all things..

ugh.. how did that one turn out?

It was going to be cancelled, but a cult following got behind it and it]s been enough to keep it going for now

Candy Kappa
09-24-2017, 02:57 PM
I haven't given SuperhyphenMan a read yet, but I've heard great things about the book

snake
09-24-2017, 03:00 PM
It's one of my favorite Rebirth books. Really good stuff.