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Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
09-23-2017, 10:33 AM
Which is the best series finale?

Papenbrook
09-23-2017, 10:41 AM
Which is the best series finale?

None. They're all terrible.

*sarcasm*

ToTheNines
09-23-2017, 10:56 AM
Turtles Forever.

FredWolfLeonardo
09-23-2017, 02:25 PM
Divide and Conquer in my opinion.

I don't think any of the episode long finales will ever beat it.

I do like Wedding Bells and Bytes though, but not the biggest fan of Carmaggedon.

Aaronardo
09-23-2017, 03:13 PM
Wedding Bells and Bytes wasn't the finale for the 2003 series? That would be Turtles Forever?

I think the Mutant Apocalypse finale was on its way to the top for me, but that rushed ending really killed it for me. Divide and Conquer doesn't necessarily feel like a send-off until the last minute or so, especially since we've seen these Turtles take on much bigger threats (such as the same season's Shredder/Krang/Dregg team-up). And so, we're left with Turtles Forever. It's not really the optimal series finale imo, but it holds a special place with me, and as far as finality goes, it's the best of the three.

But the Nick series is weird, in that technically Season 4 is the climax and Season 5 is the epilogue, just little side-stories to close up other plots (not including Mutagen Man, rip that plot). So, in a way, Requiem/Owari can be interpreted as the "true" finale of the series. So, if that's the case, my vote changes to Requiem/Owari. But if we keep it to just the last episodes of each series, I stay with Turtles Forever.

CyberCubed
09-23-2017, 03:17 PM
Season 5 of Nick was written where it could have three different endings (the opening 4 parter with Shredder/Kavaxas, the 80's TMNT crossover, or Mutant Apocalypse), as all 3 would have made fitting conclusions. Besides the fact that Bebop/Rocksteady were on their own again in the 80's crossover eps and still working for Tiger Claw/Shredder in the opening arc.

neatoman
09-23-2017, 03:52 PM
Season 5 of Nick was written where it could have three different endings (the opening 4 parter with Shredder/Kavaxas, the 80's TMNT crossover, or Mutant Apocalypse), as all 3 would have made fitting conclusions. Besides the fact that Bebop/Rocksteady were on their own again in the 80's crossover eps and still working for Tiger Claw/Shredder in the opening arc.

Yeah but that doesn't change the facts that:

Carmaggedon is the final episode according to production order
It is the last episode to get an official release
Comes last in the DVDs
Is set at the end of the timeline
Ends with a special credit to Eastman and Laird

ZariusTwo
09-23-2017, 04:16 PM
The Ice Cream Kitty music video obviously

sdp
09-23-2017, 04:53 PM
So the finale of Nick already aired and the rest are just the fillers in between?

CyberCubed
09-23-2017, 04:54 PM
So the finale of Nick already aired and the rest are just the fillers in between?

All the eps have aired.

sdp
09-23-2017, 05:02 PM
Really? Wow, I had just recently checked on wikipedia the other week and it said the show would finish around November.

If all episodes have aired I think it's time that I watch the whole series.

CyberCubed
09-23-2017, 05:52 PM
Some came out on DVD ahead of time.

Powder
09-23-2017, 06:26 PM
None of them are ideal, to be honest. No vote from me.

Turtles Forever would get my vote but you didn't include it.

DVD
09-23-2017, 08:05 PM
Iím only up to the 10th episode, so Iíve 10 more to go.
I like what Iíve seen and read about the upcoming shows.

I really enjoyed Turtles Forever and have always seen that as the 2K2 finale.

Spike Spiegel
09-23-2017, 08:16 PM
Definitely Turtles Forever, if for nothing else but the awesome Mirage cameos.

Ninturtle
09-23-2017, 09:42 PM
Like most people here, I think Turtle's Forever is the best finale.

Ulisa
09-23-2017, 11:31 PM
Of the choices listed, I have to go with Divide and Conquer. While it definitely could have been better, I think it had the 'finale' feel down very nicely. I liked seeing the Turtles recognized as Ninja Masters in their own right after all the adventures they had experienced.

Wedding Bells and Bytes was good but it felt rushed to me. If they had spread it out to more than one episode, it might have helped it to flow better. All the characters showing up for the wedding, while interesting, didn't really fit the narrative, in my opinion. Still enjoyed it though.

Carmaggedon. ..eh, I appreciate the thought and effort put into this finale but I just plain don't like it. I've never been a fan of 'bittersweet endings.' I think it was rushed and while I like what they did with some characters, I didn't like what they did with others. The overall 'feel' of the episode felt too dark in comparison to the rest of the series. I think they had been gradually trying to darken and mature the stories but I still think there was too big a gap. Definitely had some heart poured into it though so I give it points for that

Turtles Forever is a great ending for the 2k3 series though not for the FW series. While it's not perfect and I do have my issues with it, it really was a great special.

neatoman
09-24-2017, 07:27 AM
I kinda felt like Lois watching Carmaggedon.
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Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
09-24-2017, 07:52 AM
Turtles Forever is a follow-up film. Not a series finale.

ToTheNines
09-24-2017, 08:20 AM
Turtles Forever is a follow-up film. Not a series finale.

It was produced immediately after BttS by the exact same creative team. It even aired as 3 individual episodes not long after the "movie premiere".

ZariusTwo
09-24-2017, 09:44 AM
Not to mention it ties up the last remaining loose ends of the show

CyberCubed
09-24-2017, 12:49 PM
All 3 shows had proper finales. I'm glad no TMNT cartoon was just canceled randomly on a random episode. Shredder is always defeated at the end of every series and the Turtles are at relative peace.

Not everything is always wrapped up, for example the Dark Turtles/Darius are still running around in the Fast Forward timeline with no closure, but now that Cody/Serling can fight and Dark Leo had a possible change of heart, we can assume they eventually work with Cody against Darius.

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
09-24-2017, 01:05 PM
All 3 shows had proper finales. I'm glad no TMNT cartoon was just canceled randomly on a random episode. Shredder is always defeated at the end of every series and the Turtles are at relative peace.

Shredder and Krang were never defeated in the original series, just trapped on Earth and stripped on the Technodrome during season 10.

CyberCubed
09-24-2017, 01:08 PM
Shredder and Krang were never defeated in the original series, just trapped on Earth and stripped on the Technodrome during season 10.

Shredder/Krang were transported back to Dimension X at the end of that 3-parter in Season 10.

And yes, that counts as "defeated" in the original show. What did you expect, them to die or something?

Allio
09-24-2017, 01:29 PM
that counts as "open-ended" and not really closure.

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
09-24-2017, 01:39 PM
Shredder/Krang were transported back to Dimension X at the end of that 3-parter in Season 10.

I can't see Shredder and Krang at the teleporter platform by the end of "Turtles to the Second Power". Maybe someone can upload a better image?

CyberCubed
09-24-2017, 01:55 PM
that counts as "open-ended" and not really closure.

That's closure for something like the original cartoon, they're not going to literally kill Shredder/Krang.

Wesley
09-24-2017, 02:12 PM
I can't see Shredder and Krang at the teleporter platform by the end of "Turtles to the Second Power". Maybe someone can upload a better image?

It's hard to see Shredder and Krang, but the explosion from the platform overloading caused them to be knocked onto it, so I presume they were still on it when all the villains were sent to Dimension X.

CyberCubed
09-24-2017, 02:16 PM
You also hear Shredder screaming, "I won't go back!" when they're transported back to Dimension X

Chris
09-24-2017, 03:47 PM
Voted for Wedding Bells & Bytes as a stand in for Turtles Forever (the true and intended 2K3 finale).

asfaloth12
09-24-2017, 06:52 PM
I would have picked Turtles Forever, but since that is not an option, I will go with Wedding Bells and Bytes. It's a bit cheesy, and I'm actually not a huge fan of seasons 4-7 from the 2003 series, but this episode has a nice happy ending. (April and Casey get married!)
Turtles Forever had its flaws (the portrayal of the 80s turtles; the voices of the 80s turtles, especially Leo's:ohwell:), but was still a great send-off to the 2003 turtles.

Not a fan of Carmageddon as the Nick TMNT finale.
I would prefer Owari (the final episode before the series switched over to Tales of the TMNT) or End Times (that one technically ends the main story line). Both were bittersweet, but actually made sense in the context of the series and were very well done.

FredWolfLeonardo
09-24-2017, 07:00 PM
I would have picked Turtles Forever, but since that is not an option, I will go with Wedding Bells and Bytes. It's a bit cheesy, and I'm actually not a huge fan of seasons 4-7 from the 2003 series, but this episode has a nice happy ending. (April and Casey get married!)
Turtles Forever had its flaws (the portrayal of the 80s turtles; the voices of the 80s turtles, especially Leo's:ohwell:), but was still a great send-off to the 2003 turtles.

Not a fan of Carmageddon as the Nick TMNT finale.
I would prefer Owari (the final episode before the series switched over to Tales of the TMNT) or End Times (that one technically ends the main story line). Both were bittersweet, but actually made sense in the context of the series and were very well done.

What did you think of Divide and Conquer in comparison to the other finales?

ToTheNines
09-25-2017, 03:34 AM
Shredder and Krang were never defeated in the original series, just trapped on Earth and stripped on the Technodrome during season 10.

I would say they were "defeated" at the end of season 8. The 3 episodes in season 10 were just a fun last hurrah.

FredWolfLeonardo
09-25-2017, 03:44 AM
I actually like the idea of 80s Shredder and Krang not dying and always being there as the villains of the turtles.

One big happy family, they know theyre in a tv show and probably are friends off screen.

sdp
09-25-2017, 11:52 AM
I don't understand how people can say Turtles Forever is a good finale, it's a nice film for fans but it doesn't wrap up 2k3, let alone OT for those suggesting it works for that series as well.

Divide and Conquer works perfect as a finale, I mean back then shows didn't have big finales and it mostly wraps up a lot and leaving you satisfied. Actually the OT was mostly really good with its season finales since most of them can actually work as series finales, I realized that when I watched through the OT and made a topic here about it.

Wedding Bells and Bytes might not wrap everything like people would want but how much more of a book end can you get when you have one final brawl and characters that appeared through out all the series as guests at Aprils wedding.

Every TMNT show including the Nick one didn't know if that season would be the last one so they treaded careful in trying to wrap up most things but not a defintive end either, that's fine. When things end in cliffhangers now that's when it's a big problem

cammy85
09-25-2017, 12:26 PM
I can't see Shredder and Krang at the teleporter platform by the end of "Turtles to the Second Power". Maybe someone can upload a better image?

You can just barely see Shredder on the platform before they're all teleported away.

Here's a screenshot from the DVD and not Youtube.

https://preview.ibb.co/isjFOk/Screenshot_2017_09_25_12_24_21.png (https://ibb.co/c4WvOk)

CyberCubed
09-25-2017, 12:42 PM
I don't understand how people can say Turtles Forever is a good finale, it's a nice film for fans but it doesn't wrap up 2k3, let alone OT for those suggesting it works for that series as well.


Turtles Forever was literally written as the finale for the 2k3 series. They bring Ch'rell back for the first time since the finale of Season 3 for one final assault when he had been gone for all of Seasons 4-7. It was great the series ended with the "original" Shredder rather than Cyber Shredder or any other.

I'm not sure what on earth you're talking about here. How did it not "wrap up 2k3?" How does it get any bigger than them defeating Ch'rell once and for all?

ToTheNines
09-25-2017, 01:14 PM
Sdp is a ****ing hipster.

pferreira
09-28-2017, 11:27 AM
I don't understand how people can say Turtles Forever is a good finale, it's a nice film for fans but it doesn't wrap up 2k3, let alone OT for those suggesting it works for that series as well.

Divide and Conquer works perfect as a finale, I mean back then shows didn't have big finales and it mostly wraps up a lot and leaving you satisfied. Actually the OT was mostly really good with its season finales since most of them can actually work as series finales, I realized that when I watched through the OT and made a topic here about it.It's not ideal choices but I guess Divide and Conquer works but it could have been better.