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victory_angel
09-24-2017, 06:24 PM
The Green Oasis seems to come out of nowhere in the story. It just described as a place of legend, but I think the way the story was written, the art direction team wanted the audience to draw their own conclusions as to what the Oasis was.

I believe that the Green Oasis was the remains of the Northampton Farmhouse and here is why.

Early on, when the series was in production. Ciro had said he had planned on Splinter being dead shortly before the series begins. And I remember him saying in an interview that wherever Splinter was, was home.

When Splinter is murdered by the Shredder, the Turtles bury him at the farmhouse because:

1. That is a place that he would have enjoyed visiting in life. And if things hadn't been so hectic with the Shredder and the Kraang, and of course the Triceratons, they probably would have brought him with them if they had vacations from the city.

2. That was the safest place they could think of where his grave wouldn't be desecrated by the Shredder and his goons. Or unknowingly by the city.


Following Splinter's murder, the Turtles stay in their childhood home. But there is an air that even though they are safe and sheltered...the lair just doesn't feel like home anymore because Splinter is no longer there.

So the only thing they really have left is each other and their honorary family members. And that is what they desperately cling to.


When they reach the Oasis the things that keyed me into the possibility of the farmhouse is the pool elderly Mikey jumps into is a depression that looks as though it had once been the foundation of a building.

And given the passage of time, without anyone to keep the place maintained the surrounding forest would have certainly taken over the farmhouse and its grounds. Plus the last line Leo says in the show is "We're Home" and then pans to the sky and we see the flashback of the Turtles gathering together with Splinter for that family photo.

They may not have completely understood what was drawing him there, particularly since Splinter's grave marker also would have been claimed by the Earth.

Also it's pointed out that both Raph and Leo have significant memory loss, but it's slowly coming back to them. At least for Leo it's returning.

Mikey on the other hand, after spending years alone in the desert is a borderline Alzheimer's patient. I'm almost surprised he doesn't have type 2 diabetes due to all the Pizza he's been eating.

Donnie is the only one who has his memory completely intact, but even if he has memories of the farmhouse. The surrounding land has changed significantly over the past handful of decades, so it would no longer be the place he once knew.

CyberCubed
09-24-2017, 06:32 PM
I believe there was probably a human tribe living there too, who cultivated the trees and water there. I was half-expecting to see an elderly April greet the Turtles there, too bad it didn't happen.

FredWolfLeonardo
09-24-2017, 06:39 PM
Perhaps its the Garden of Eden :roll:

Powder
09-24-2017, 06:40 PM
This is beyond reaching.

IndigoErth
09-24-2017, 07:20 PM
But you realize of course... if it WAS somehow the foundation of the farm house...

The Kraang ship is still there. Dun dun dun...


Though I question the fact that the animal-people they run into are all species non-native to the U.S. Either TMNT are far from home or maybe they were zoo animals. (I doubt they were mutated humans given the numbers.)


I'm almost surprised he doesn't have type 2 diabetes due to all the Pizza he's been eating.
They're so spoiled though... Probably giving him diarrhea and lack of nutrition, thus he's become frail. (Okay, plus a clear retirement from training.)

TigerClaw
09-24-2017, 07:23 PM
But you realize of course... if it WAS somehow the foundation of the farm house...

The Kraang ship is still there. Dun dun dun...


Though I question the fact that the animal-people they run into are all species non-native to the U.S. Either TMNT are far from home or maybe they were zoo animals. (I doubt they were mutated humans given the numbers.)



They're so spoiled though... Probably giving his diarrhea and lack of nutrition, thus he's become frail. (Okay, plus a clear retirement from training.)
I bet most were mutated humans early on, but at some point they probably procreated, and you end up with mutants who were born after the Mutagen Bomb, like Mira for example.

IndigoErth
09-24-2017, 07:27 PM
But are you really going to end up with enough humans turned into mutant Meerkats to create a sustainable gene pool? (And to throw logic into a fantasy story for the hell of it, hybrids in nature are usually sterile; let alone how it may not work for cross-species hybrids.)



edit: Wait. If other animals mutated, where are all the other turtle people.

FredWolfLeonardo
09-24-2017, 07:29 PM
In the previous episodes, it was established that the Kraang created humans by mutating monkeys/apes and they could viably reproduce so I think Mira's family of mutant Meerkats was also able to viably reproduce.

Allio
09-24-2017, 07:41 PM
The oasis was made from human remains. Urobutcher this Sh!t

IndigoErth
09-24-2017, 07:49 PM
In the previous episodes, it was established that the Kraang created humans by mutating monkeys/apes and they could viably reproduce so I think Mira's family of mutant Meerkats was also able to viably reproduce.
Fair enough. Though there's still the issue of non-native species.

If her family were originally animals from a zoo (in NYC?), that probably isn't even as large of a population as in the wild, so the gene pool might still be questionable.

TigerClaw
09-24-2017, 07:51 PM
Fair enough. Though there's still the issue of non-native species.

If her family were originally animals from a zoo, that probably isn't even as large of a population as in the wild, so the gene pool might still be questionable.
In one of the episodes, she mentions that she's the last of her tribe, so I don't know that means, the last of her specials, or just the only member who was part of that group?

neatoman
09-25-2017, 03:10 AM
Given the rectangular shape, I thought it was the New York Sewer system that collapsed into a lake.

Ninjinister
09-25-2017, 03:39 AM
This is beyond reaching.

I kind of like this one though. It's sweet and certainly feels more organic than most of the other theories written about these last episodes.

Tarris Vaal
09-25-2017, 05:17 AM
edit: Wait. If other animals mutated, where are all the other turtle people.

Interesting question. Perhaps the exclusion of Turtle DNA was a deliberate snub to the TMNT?

I think if Stockman's and the Kraangs DNA banks shown earlier in the series were anything to go by then whoever made the bomb could have deliberately spliced a bunch of random animal DNA into the mutagen mix - a bit like shrapnel on a grenade - so not only is there the mutagen thrown out, but random DNA to splice it with.

It would explain the non native creatures, and horrific mixes of multiple creatures tend to cause nightmarish beasts like Justin or Mega Shredder, so those near the epicentre would have been likely to have been reduced to monsters that would have wreaked havoc.

I don't think the bomb would have destroyed humanity though - I think thats just Raph's perception of it. I think North America would have been screwed, and the damage to plants would have resulted in desertification - especially after 50 years.

I reckon the world just quarantined the area and abandoned it to the mutants running rampant there - which is why Oasis still survived because it was on the edge or just outside the quarantine zone.


As for it being the farmhouse, its possible, but I would have thought it more likely they'd have moved further than that, after all they were frantically running around in buggies and wartrukks - they would have covered a pretty major distance.

ToTheNines
09-25-2017, 05:37 AM
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drag0nfeathers
09-25-2017, 01:55 PM
I mean... it's a nice idea if it was the farmhouse foundation, but it's not much of an oasis... Given the size that would sustain them for what? A few months assuming the lizard and honey badger folk are also going to be consuming the resources as well.

Maybe it was one of many sources of water? I don't know... but I was expecting a huge valley or something rather than the equivalent of an in ground pool surrounded by trees.

CyberCubed
09-25-2017, 02:01 PM
Considering there was a whole forest behind them, I'm sure that wasn't the only source of water.

IndigoErth
09-25-2017, 02:13 PM
Yeah, I figured the water is from an underground source that isn't leaving anytime soon. The pool certainly isn't being filled by rain, after all.

Glitter Wand
09-25-2017, 03:03 PM
As far as survival is concerned, I think the turtles could utilize the trees to build a large enough house for all of them, foraging for any tools and amenities they could find. The water could be used for cooking, bathing, and hydration. An underground spring seems the most probable. Donney informs Raph it hasn't rained in a few years, so how else could the water and trees have remained for so long?
Here is my theory on the mutagen bomb. Since Baxter Stockman never had an official closure (other than being demutated,) he felt he had to be the next 'Shredder.' As hhe result, he attempted to create an army of mutants of his own and spliced DNA from multiple animals. It all went horribly wrong.

ssjup81
09-25-2017, 03:39 PM
Personally I felt that they all died and this Oasis was their form of heaven...kind of like the first Land Before Time film. Who knows, maybe all the Mad Max junk could've been their purgatory.

ToTheNines
09-25-2017, 04:25 PM
Personally I felt that they all died and this Oasis was their form of heaven...kind of like the first Land Before Time film. Who knows, maybe all the Mad Max junk could've been their purgatory.

That's kinda cool. And the picture was them finally reunited with Splinter in their desired forms.

IndigoErth
09-25-2017, 04:36 PM
Okay, now I'm sadder...

ToTheNines
09-25-2017, 04:53 PM
Okay, now I'm sadder...

If it makes you feel better, I think I'd prefer seeing this as canon. Would be about 25 years after the finale.

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Sabacooza
09-25-2017, 05:16 PM
Okay, now I'm sadder...Tell me about it. That's depressing. I just choose to believe they were remembering the good old days when they were younger and Splinter was still around.

Allio
09-25-2017, 05:19 PM
that obviously takes place between pthe mutagen bomb and Mutant Apocalypse. Mankind (and the mutants) tried to live in a kind of Demolition man kind of world and Mikey ends up adopting the four kinds whom are one of the few remaining humans.

But as time moved on death claimed the land. It is said that Mikey finally lost it when the four children died.

ToTheNines
09-25-2017, 05:29 PM
that obviously takes place between pthe mutagen bomb and Mutant Apocalypse. Mankind (and the mutants) tried to live in a kind of Demolition man kind of world and Mikey ends up adopting the four kinds whom are one of the few remaining humans.

But as time moved on death claimed the land. It is said that Mikey finally lost it when the four children died.

Nah, it takes place in 2090. Mutant Apocalypse is round about 2066.

And Mikey looks way older and is missing his hair. You could attribute his insanity to being alone for so many years, but he kinda got it back together as society was rebuilt.

CyberCubed
09-25-2017, 05:29 PM
Was Michelangelo's hair even real? It could have been a wig.

ToTheNines
09-25-2017, 05:31 PM
Yeah, and he glued on eyebrows.

Sabacooza
09-25-2017, 05:31 PM
Was Michelangelo's hair even real? It could have been a wig. It probably was real because he also had eyebrows. Raph's beard was also real.

Darn. I'm late.

IndigoErth
09-25-2017, 05:36 PM
I figured it (edit: the wig) was fake. (Trying to look like an old hippie or something.) And...Raph's facial hair. For whatever random reasons they decide to wear these things. (edit: Are we sure Raph's beard was real? That was so weird.)

Mikey finally lost it when
Omgrd... not helping. lol

https://i.imgur.com/wCun0E8.jpg

ToTheNines
09-25-2017, 05:38 PM
I figured it (edit: the wig) was fake. (Trying to look like an old hippie or something.) And...Raph's facial hair. For whatever random reasons they decide to wear these things. (edit: Are we sure Raph's beard was real? That was so weird.)


Omgrd... not helping. lol

https://i.imgur.com/wCun0E8.jpg

Raph literally shaved it off at the end of the first episode.

IndigoErth
09-25-2017, 05:39 PM
I don't even recall that part, I just noticed it was gone. :trazz: Too much going on I guess.


They so did this to poke at fans though...

ssjup81
09-26-2017, 12:56 AM
Tell me about it. That's depressing. I just choose to believe they were remembering the good old days when they were younger and Splinter was still around.Depressed and sad is what I felt after watching it since that's how I interpreted it. Felt a bit unnerving too, especially when they showed Casey's skull.

Kit31
09-26-2017, 01:05 AM
After watching it last night, I realized Leo had his old swords. That right there tells me it was a flashback. At least that's how I see it now. Before I was thinking something so much worse. :cry:

Bjarni
09-26-2017, 02:38 AM
Given the rectangular shape, I thought it was the New York Sewer system that collapsed into a lake.

This is what I thought too.

The map looks like a sewer.

Allio
09-26-2017, 09:41 AM
I thought would basically just be a map for each turtle to find one another (technically not wrong) and the oasis was inside us all along

Powder
09-26-2017, 01:30 PM
& now to prove all of that wrong...

It's a rock quarry surrounding a body of water, plain & simple. It's a real place, in Bloomington, Indiana, & the shot itself was based on one in the 1979 film Breaking Away.

https://scontent-lga3-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e35/21984815_531183657273758_1960760417252802560_n.jpg

Chris
09-26-2017, 01:56 PM
Nice find!!

Sabacooza
09-26-2017, 02:02 PM
& now to prove all of that wrong...

It's a rock quarry surrounding a body of water, plain & simple. It's a real place, in Bloomington, Indiana, & the shot itself was based on one in the 1979 film Breaking Away.

https://scontent-lga3-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e35/21984815_531183657273758_1960760417252802560_n.jpg Very awesome.

neatoman
09-26-2017, 02:07 PM
& now to prove all of that wrong...

It's a rock quarry surrounding a body of water, plain & simple. It's a real place, in Bloomington, Indiana, & the shot itself was based on one in the 1979 film Breaking Away.

https://scontent-lga3-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e35/21984815_531183657273758_1960760417252802560_n.jpg

Huh... Indiana? Smackdab between the real desert and the fictional new one.

IndigoErth
09-26-2017, 02:32 PM
Wow, even that stone piece sticking out. Well done on connecting that.

Ohhkay... so either just "based on" or they did travel west and end up in Indiana.

Kit31
09-26-2017, 02:32 PM
& now to prove all of that wrong...

It's a rock quarry surrounding a body of water, plain & simple. It's a real place, in Bloomington, Indiana, & the shot itself was based on one in the 1979 film Breaking Away.

https://scontent-lga3-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e35/21984815_531183657273758_1960760417252802560_n.jpg

Nice! In my home state, even. :D

evan2000
09-26-2017, 03:00 PM
& now to prove all of that wrong...

It's a rock quarry surrounding a body of water, plain & simple. It's a real place, in Bloomington, Indiana, & the shot itself was based on one in the 1979 film Breaking Away.

https://scontent-lga3-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e35/21984815_531183657273758_1960760417252802560_n.jpg

Nice catch! How did you discover that? Did you recently watched Breaking Away, or you've visited the actual location before?

Powder
09-26-2017, 03:56 PM
Ciro posted that picture & I did a little research on it. :tlol:

Tarris Vaal
09-26-2017, 06:36 PM
Good work sir :)

So they had traveled quite a fair way. Though its interesting that a massive area of surviving vegetation was only 3 states away from the explosion epicentre.


Aside from the moon exploding, that seems a pretty big indication that humanity likely survived outside the East Coast - and that Raph's conclusion that humanity was dead was based entirely on bad memory and immediate surroundings.