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Andrew NDB
09-29-2017, 01:20 PM
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Do you think "Rise of the TMNT" will bring back the PLANTS... or do you figure they won't even bother?

They probably shouldn't bother. It'd kind of be a sad thing to hire people to try and convince 30 and 40 year-olds that their latest little kids' show that's aiming even younger than their last little kids' show doesn't suck and should be watched.

But you never know.

ToTheNines
09-29-2017, 01:23 PM
I think the plants are just for movies. The 2012 cartoon didn't have anyone obvious that I remember.

Andrew NDB
09-29-2017, 01:27 PM
I think the plants are just for movies. The 2012 cartoon didn't have anyone obvious that I remember.

Yeah, I wasn't really poking around the Nick forums here too much at launch time to say for sure. Wasn't there at least a small pack, though, that were all, "Just give it a chance, people!!!", no? Then vanished shortly after the show premiered?

ToTheNines
09-29-2017, 01:41 PM
I was balls deep in it from jump street. Can't say I recall anyone suspicious, and I was highly skeptical of the show until actual footage came out.

matteso586
09-29-2017, 01:42 PM
If you think that Rise of the TMNT is chronologically set after Mutant Apocalypse, think again. The upcoming 2018 series is a different continuity.

IndigoErth
09-29-2017, 01:42 PM
Nah... not much. Shows don't really have the same dependency on building up hype and doing a quick hit and run for profits like films do at theaters. Films only really have just a short time to get that cash in so they have to try hard. A show, I assume, is partly profiting through other means and at a slower pace. It has room to improve it its method isn't working.

newhire13
09-29-2017, 02:44 PM
Oy with the plants already!

Coola Yagami
09-29-2017, 03:19 PM
Lmao. Gotta love them plants.

Kit31
09-29-2017, 03:21 PM
I might be the only one that doesn't understand what this thread is about. WHAT THE HECK ARE PLANTS IN THIS CONTEXT???

plastroncafe
09-29-2017, 03:24 PM
I might be the only one that doesn't understand what this thread is about. WHAT THE HECK ARE PLANTS IN THIS CONTEXT???

A plant is someone in the audience pretending as if they're not for demonstration purposes. ie: someone who's in on the gag.

In this instance Andrew is wondering if the community will get a bunch of new members paid to give a positive spin to the cartoon, regardless of the quality or how it is received by the rest of the group.

It's a pre-emptive outright questioning of anyone's credibility.

Kit31
09-29-2017, 03:29 PM
A plant is someone in the audience pretending as if they're not for demonstration purposes. ie: someone who's in on the gag.

In this instance Andrew is wondering if the community will get a bunch of new members paid to give a positive spin to the cartoon, regardless of the quality or how it is received by the rest of the group.

It's a pre-emptive outright questioning of anyone's credibility.

Okay, thanks for the explanation. lol Reading these comments weren't really helping me, and "plants" definitely didn't mean what I thought it did even based on those comments.

Drose18
09-29-2017, 04:09 PM
Did this plants thing actually happen? Thats hillarious. I remember this forum was busy back in 2012 but I do think the first season was the best of the show until the fifth and that would maybe be the reason for the positive reception early on?

IndigoErth
09-29-2017, 04:12 PM
With the last two movies. Probably can't be proven, but it's not uncommon for companies, including marketing for film, to pay people to post positively about it online. Short lived accounts joined around that time that come in gushing about it then are gone once it premiers are pretty suspicious.

MrTMNT2012
09-29-2017, 04:24 PM
Did this plants thing actually happen? Thats hillarious. I remember this forum was busy back in 2012 but I do think the first season was the best of the show until the fifth and that would maybe be the reason for the positive reception early on?

The first Season of Nick Turtles is literally the only legitimately good introspective medium of TMNT that you can show a complete stranger and not cringe to death. (With the exception of the Mirage & IDW comics.)

Everything else in this franchise is largely written down to kids. The first movie tried to be a bit more adult but personally it failed for me.

Andrew NDB
09-29-2017, 04:40 PM
The first Season of Nick Turtles is literally the only legitimately good introspective medium of TMNT that you can show a complete stranger and not cringe to death. (With the exception of the Mirage & IDW comics.)

I'd have to agree with this. Or at least, "only minimal cringing."

Everything else in this franchise is largely written down to kids. The first movie tried to be a bit more adult but personally it failed for me.

I wouldn't say failed outright, but let's just say... "it ultimately fell short of the mark" or "it sold itself short, in the end."

neatoman
09-29-2017, 05:40 PM
Well, Andrew, being the weed whacker and all I guess you want to keep your job. Do I think the plants will come back? Perhaps, I just don't think Viacom cares when it comes to the cartoons.

What might happen though, is Cubed chasing away the showrunner for Rise.

Papenbrook
09-29-2017, 05:42 PM
The first Season of Nick Turtles is literally the only legitimately good introspective medium of TMNT that you can show a complete stranger and not cringe to death. (With the exception of the Mirage & IDW comics.)

Everything else in this franchise is largely written down to kids. The first movie tried to be a bit more adult but personally it failed for me.

I agree with the bold. Season one was definitely well-done.

In my opinion, seasons two through five (of TMNT 2k12) have been awful, at least to me. I just couldn't get into them.

Powder
09-29-2017, 06:24 PM
If you think that Rise of the TMNT is chronologically set after Mutant Apocalypse, think again. The upcoming 2018 series is a different continuity.

Oh my God. :tlol:

I hope this is a language barrier thing.

CyberCubed
09-29-2017, 07:02 PM
In my opinion, seasons two through five (of TMNT 2k12) have been awful, at least to me. I just couldn't get into them.

Well, sorry if you didn't like them, but the rest of us enjoyed them very much.

DestronMirage22
09-30-2017, 01:49 AM
Having a bunch of plants suddenly start visiting this site wouldn’t be the worst thing ever.
They can be entertaining, if only because of how dedicated they can be in defending the quality of these works. Sometimes it’ll be incredibly obvious they’re plants but they’ll still deny it (which is hilarious).
And they never stay that long, so they don’t really cause any real trouble.

But I really doubt there’ll be any for this next show.

newfan
09-30-2017, 02:12 AM
I might be the only one that doesn't understand what this thread is about. WHAT THE HECK ARE PLANTS IN THIS CONTEXT???

I didn't get it either at first :) I can't see they'd care to do it for this show, being aimed at a younger audience I mean....but then I'm new to this so I may be wrong.

Candy Kappa
09-30-2017, 07:25 AM
Nah, plants are for movies.

But I do think we'll get another large influx of new wide-eyed members that are excited for the new show, eager to discuss their enthusiasm and interests. Only to be met with a wall of snarky cynics and arcane forum etiquette rules that will chase off the weak and only the strong remains :lol:

CyberCubed
09-30-2017, 12:20 PM
I'm not sure we'll get that many new young teenage posters here either, nowadays millennials post about shows on their tumblrs or twitter. The young kids of today don't use traditional message boards like these anymore. There was a huge Nick TMNT following on tumblr mostly comprised of young teens, none of them ever came here. I'd expect the same for this show.

Forums like these are becoming like VHS tapes. They will probably all become obsolete or shut down within the next decade. The young hip kids of today post on social media, so you guys will eventually have to make the transition to tumblr and twitter to discuss the future of television and movies and videogames. No, I don't like it either but we're dinosaurs now.

newfan
09-30-2017, 12:33 PM
I'm not sure we'll get that many new young teenage posters here either, nowadays millennials post about shows on their tumblrs or twitter. The young kids of today don't use traditional message boards like these anymore. There was a huge Nick TMNT following on tumblr mostly comprised of young teens, none of them ever came here. I'd expect the same for this show.

Forums like these are becoming like VHS tapes. They will probably all become obsolete or shut down within the next decade. The young hip kids of today post on social media, so you guys will eventually have to make the transition to tumblr and twitter to discuss the future of television and movies and videogames. No, I don't like it either but we're dinosaurs now.

Well so long as the people on here are happy to stay and the Administrator want to run it...

If rise is a younger feel you may even get less teens interested. Course we don't know how much lighter and younger they mean yet, may just be a little (which is likely)
.... or we get the shocker announcement 'It will be airing on Nick Junior' :lol:

Aaronardo
09-30-2017, 01:58 PM
Well, sorry if you didn't like them, but the rest of us enjoyed them very much.

Speak for yourself. Many of us on this site have plenty of problems with 2-5, while consider the first season leagues better. Obviously, there are plenty on here who like those seasons, but it certainly isn't the rest of us.

Message boards are definitely a dying breed, which is a shame for those of us who prefer this layout to the clusterf*ck that is the tumblr layout. However, that doesn't stop plants. We just got OotS last year and look how many that brought here. So long as this site remains one of the top results on search engines for "tmnt forum," we'll be getting some; probably not to the same extent as the movies, but when Rise releases, no matter if it's surprisingly great or hot garbage, we'll need some weed whacking.

ZariusTwo
09-30-2017, 01:58 PM
The first Season of Nick Turtles is literally the only legitimately good introspective medium of TMNT that you can show a complete stranger and not cringe to death.

I screened four whole episodes of FW season three to someone who came over to fix my computer and he loved it. He'd never seen any TMNT in his life.

CyberCubed
09-30-2017, 02:02 PM
Speak for yourself. Many of us on this site have plenty of problems with 2-5, while consider the first season leagues better. Obviously, there are plenty on here who like those seasons, but it certainly isn't the rest of us..

That's not what I meant, I meant the vast majority of people enjoy the show as a whole, which is true. I'm rewatching Season 1 right now and while it is indeed great, it's mostly because everything is starting off and more "down to earth" so to speak before we had new mutants and tons of new characters.

Shredder only had Dogpound and Fishface as henchmen, Karai only shows up mid-season. We don't even get Tiger Claw till Season 2, Baxter doesn't officially start working for Shredder till the tail-end, and of course no Bebop/Rocksteady yet. Along with that and no Casey, no Mutanimals, and no other major characters, everything felt more "tightly-knit" so to speak.

The slow-burn approach of Season 1 worked well, but if it stayed that way the whole show would have been stagnant.

MrTMNT2012
09-30-2017, 02:27 PM
That's not what I meant, I meant the vast majority of people enjoy the show as a whole, which is true.

This is factually and statistically false. The ratings for the show literally started plummeting after S1.

Aaronardo
09-30-2017, 02:41 PM
I'm rewatching Season 1 right now and while it is indeed great, it's mostly because everything is starting off and more "down to earth" so to speak before we had new mutants and tons of new characters.

Shredder only had Dogpound and Fishface as henchmen, Karai only shows up mid-season. We don't even get Tiger Claw till Season 2, Baxter doesn't officially start working for Shredder till the tail-end, and of course no Bebop/Rocksteady yet. Along with that and no Casey, no Mutanimals, and no other major characters, everything felt more "tightly-knit" so to speak.

The slow-burn approach of Season 1 worked well, but if it stayed that way the whole show would have been stagnant.

More =/= better. People enjoy Season 1 for the level of writing it's on. Whether it be a funny line or exchange around every corner, characters being introduced through their actions and personality rather than "Donnie said smart thing so he's the smart one," a true dramatic edge that increases slowly throughout, or any other little thing I may be missing (maybe the stylistic choices that slowly began to fade away after this season), Season 1 offers so much more in terms of good writing than Season 2 can as a whole or Seasons 3-5 can on their best days. People don't enjoy TMNT for how many mutants/characters they can shove in. The opposite is actually contrary to Eastman/Laird's original vision.

All first seasons of shows with overarching plots have slow-burn approaches. It's very important when talking about the three-act system. The writing team for S1 would obviously have not done what they did for S1 over and over again for each subsequent season. Plots are expanded upon, characters are introduced. The reason why some people say S1 is the best is because they think S1 did those things better and if the same team had stayed, they would have been done better afterward.

IndigoErth
09-30-2017, 02:55 PM
so you guys will eventually have to make the transition to tumblr and twitter to discuss the future of television and movies and videogames.
Eh, personally I think it's quite different segments of the fandom. One that older fans in particular may not necessarily ever end up joining. There seems to be a portion of younger fandom who have decided that fandom (and not just of TMNT) is primarily a source for getting attention, not just a collection of people who like a thing and want to talk about it. Places like Trumlr are an easier soapbox since people can have their own page, followers, get likes, etc. Forums are a shared space that doesn't typically have that. Sure, people can share their own art, etc here, but there is less of a soapbox; no thread really belongs to only one person. Attention is likely a big reason why much of that sort isn't on forums. (And short attention span for those who ONLY use Twitter and I guess have no interest in actual real discussion.)

With the current series ending and this next one possibly being made "younger," to be honest... I wouldn't be too sad if a lot of that particular "look at me" segment wanders off. Really kind of dislike that part of it has become that... And that is probably never going to meet the needs of plenty of the type of fans who prefer a forum.

CyberCubed
09-30-2017, 03:56 PM
This is factually and statistically false. The ratings for the show literally started plummeting after S1.

The ratings of the show have nothing to do with it's quality, what on earth are you talking about? The vast majority of kids these days watch the show online. The long breaks are also what killed interest, not anything to do with the series itself. Any TV show in existence also has declining ratings as it goes on for multiple seasons, what kind of logic is this? The kids who started watching the show in 2012 were teenagers by the time it ended, they likely also outgrew the series like most teens go through a, "cartoons are for kids" phase.

Do you think we're in the year 2002 or something? Episodes are uploaded to places like youtube (even if illegally), or other sites or to tumblr constantly. Or officially by Nick on their site. Ratings of shows on TV do not mean much these days when people watch series online. The first season of almost any series generally has higher ratings because casuals check it out, out of curiosity and then drop it as it goes on.


More =/= better. People enjoy Season 1 for the level of writing it's on. Whether it be a funny line or exchange around every corner, characters being introduced through their actions and personality rather than "Donnie said smart thing so he's the smart one," a true dramatic edge that increases slowly throughout, or any other little thing I may be missing (maybe the stylistic choices that slowly began to fade away after this season), Season 1 offers so much more in terms of good writing than Season 2 can as a whole or Seasons 3-5 can on their best days. People don't enjoy TMNT for how many mutants/characters they can shove in. The opposite is actually contrary to Eastman/Laird's original vision.


I know what you're saying, but I never saw this huge gap in quality at all. To each their own I suppose.

MrTMNT2012
09-30-2017, 04:12 PM
The ratings of the show have nothing to do with it's quality, what on earth are you talking about? The vast majority of kids these days watch the show online. The long breaks are also what killed interest, not anything to do with the series itself. Any TV show in existence also has declining ratings as it goes on for multiple seasons, what kind of logic is this? The kids who started watching the show in 2012 were teenagers by the time it ended, they likely also outgrew the series like most teens go through a, "cartoons are for kids" phase.

Do you think we're in the year 2002 or something? Episodes are uploaded to places like youtube (even if illegally), or other sites or to tumblr constantly. Or officially by Nick on their site. Ratings of shows on TV do not mean much these days when people watch series online. The first season of almost any series generally has higher ratings because casuals check it out, out of curiosity and then drop it as it goes on.

That wouldn't happen if the show remained, y'know, good and still resonated with them.

That's why S1 had consistently good ratings and why Avatar: The Last Airbender rose in ratings as it went along and got better and better. (Korra's quality is universally debatable so that's why that show's rating went down after S1 as well even though I personally loved all of it.)

Shows like SpongeBob innately attract toddlers with its amateurish visuals so that's irrelevant.

plastroncafe
09-30-2017, 04:18 PM
How credible are ratings these days though?
I mean, given how many different ways people could be viewing content.

While I don't deny that Avatar was a superior show in just about every way, it also had the benefit of being a thing before streaming became an option.

Ratings are a measure of how many people are watching a thing in a given viewing window, not how many people have watched a thing.

Has the rating system been updated to account for streaming?

Kit31
09-30-2017, 05:01 PM
I screened four whole episodes of FW season three to someone who came over to fix my computer and he loved it. He'd never seen any TMNT in his life.

Season 3 was by far my favorite season in that show, too.

MrTMNT2012
09-30-2017, 05:31 PM
How credible are ratings these days though?
I mean, given how many different ways people could be viewing content.

While I don't deny that Avatar was a superior show in just about every way, it also had the benefit of being a thing before streaming became an option.

Ratings are a measure of how many people are watching a thing in a given viewing window, not how many people have watched a thing.

Has the rating system been updated to account for streaming?

Streaming was a thing during Turtles S1 tho.

CyberCubed
09-30-2017, 06:20 PM
Ratings don't mean much nowadays. As I said we're not in 2005 anymore. Most kids watch the show online or on youtube.

I guarantee you the 2018 shows ratings will not be any different even if the show is amazingly written. Ratings don't affect quality of something.

ctt4lfecw
10-01-2017, 06:01 AM
Well I don't know about plants. But I know I'll be there when the new show airs to see what it's about to give it a chance. Quite frankly the 2012 show is going to be a hard act to follow for me. Because it was a great series in my opinion.