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Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
10-01-2017, 02:30 PM
In the 1987-1996 series, Irma's last name is never mentioned. However, it is often said to be Langinstein. But I've also heard or Margrat.

What's correct? Was anything made official?

neatoman
10-01-2017, 02:36 PM
Magrat? Sure you're not confusing Irma for this chick?
http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/anti-masonry/pentagram/wyrd_sisters/magrat.jpg

Utrommaniac
10-01-2017, 02:43 PM
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's Langinstein

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
10-01-2017, 02:44 PM
Here's at least one source that says Margrat:

http://cartoonresource.tripod.com/tmnt.html

Prowler
10-01-2017, 02:52 PM
In the 1987-1996 series, Irma's last name is never mentioned. However, it is often said to be Langinstein. But I've also heard or Margrat.

What's correct? Was anything made official?
Often said? By whom? Maybe I've been living under a rock but this is the first time I've heard this.

Powder
10-01-2017, 03:08 PM
It's only ever been Langenstein as far as I know. If Margaret was ever in there it may have been as her middle name, but I personally have no memory of that being the case.

IndigoErth
10-01-2017, 03:36 PM
I've never heard of the Margaret name. Knew it was Langinstein long ago though... are we sure it's never mentioned?

oldmanwinters
10-01-2017, 07:46 PM
I think it's ridiculous how some fan wikis list April's middle name as "Harriet" as an official part of continuity, sometimes across every continuity of the franchise. All because it was mentioned as a throw-away gag in "Leatherhead, Terror of the Swamp." I can't remember if Irma's last name was ever mentioned in any episode, but I have accepted the Langinstein designation in my own mind.

sdp
10-01-2017, 07:55 PM
Well what can begin as a throwaway gag can become canon in franchises, hell "fanon" which are non-canon facts mostly regarded canon by the fandom have also become canon.

Coola Yagami
10-01-2017, 10:33 PM
Unless it was in Red Sky or those European vacation episodes... I honestly do not remember Irma's last name ever being mentioned.

Roseangelo
10-01-2017, 11:34 PM
Irma's last name was definitely never mentioned in the series.

DestronMirage22
10-01-2017, 11:52 PM
Irma's last name was definitely never mentioned in the series.

Agreed.
So where are you guys getting Langinstein from?? :-?

Ninjinister
10-02-2017, 01:41 AM
Might've been something that someone made up once upon a time that stuck and everyone assumes was legit.

I just always assumed it was one of those millions of details I'd forgotten.

Prowler
10-02-2017, 04:17 AM
I think it's ridiculous how some fan wikis list April's middle name as "Harriet" as an official part of continuity, sometimes across every continuity of the franchise. All because it was mentioned as a throw-away gag in "Leatherhead, Terror of the Swamp." I can't remember if Irma's last name was ever mentioned in any episode, but I have accepted the Langinstein designation in my own mind.
At least you hear the name Harriet in the FW series once. You NEVER hear Langinstein or Margrat. Where is everyone getting those names from?!

Well what can begin as a throwaway gag can become canon in franchises, hell "fanon" which are non-canon facts mostly regarded canon by the fandom have also become canon.
Wasn't that what happened with Brock and Misty? They seem to be called Slate and Waterflower respectively by fans sometimes.

Cryomancer
10-02-2017, 04:40 PM
Well the last name isn't on the toy card either. Where the hell did that come from then? Archie?

oldmanwinters
10-02-2017, 05:08 PM
Well the last name isn't on the toy card either. Where the hell did that come from then? Archie?

Hmm... perhaps IMDb is to blame? At least the speculation seems to have preceded the rise of Wikipedia:
http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showpost.php?p=66659&postcount=6
http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showpost.php?p=245061&postcount=10
http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showpost.php?p=245988&postcount=11

I don't think it ever showed up in Archie, because Irma only appeared in issues 3-4 (episode adaptation) and was way off-model from the cartoon.

pferreira
10-05-2017, 09:07 AM
I asked David, not sure if he'll respond. He mostly never does. :-?

EDIT: Okay wasn't expecting that. David replied to me via Facebook. He said I could quote his responses as well. I asked him what Irma's surname was and his response was:

"I don't think she ever had one. It probably got mentioned in some obscure episode somewhere (maybe not even one of mine), but I have no memory of it."

David wrote the first episode she was in so I wondered if he created her character. He didn't answer that but he did clarify whether Langinstein is her surname:

I am almost 100% certain she never had THAT particular name.

Then said:

If her last name was ever mentioned in an episode I'm sure some fan would have made note of it. My guess is we never gave her a last name because we never had to. I usually don't both with a last name unless it has to be used in dialogue. If I had created 007 he would have been just "James!"

He also pointed to where he got the name Irma from:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0041673/

Hope that's helpful guys. :)

Prowler
10-05-2017, 11:08 AM
You're friends with David Wise?

oldmanwinters
10-05-2017, 12:10 PM
He also pointed to where he got the name Irma from:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0041673/

Hope that's helpful guys. :)

Makes sense to me. Thanks, pferreira!

Powder
10-05-2017, 05:45 PM
You're friends with David Wise?

Just on Facebook, as many of us here are. :trazz:

pferreira
10-05-2017, 06:21 PM
You're friends with David Wise?Yep, Facebook only though. :)

Makes sense to me. Thanks, pferreira!No problem. Just trying to help. I thought I'd use a direct source even though it's just one that's constantly challenged. Nice of David to respond, he doesn't normally especially since he got annoyed with me recently.

MrPliggins
10-06-2017, 06:07 AM
Interesting. So they probably gave Vernon a last name because he was a reporter and had to say it during news reports. No reason to ever state Irma's last name. I can't remember when we first heard Vernon's last name.

Prowler
10-06-2017, 06:09 AM
Just on Facebook, as many of us here are. :trazz:
I know TMNT staff posts here, but had no idea David Wise did as well. Or did you meet the guy at conventions and such?

Powder
10-06-2017, 08:19 PM
wat

I'm just saying a lot of Technodrome users are on his Facebook friends list. Doubt he comes here.

Shiro Kame
10-06-2017, 11:16 PM
Agreed.
So where are you guys getting Langinstein from?? :-?

I found it on the wiki.

MsMarvelDuckie
10-07-2017, 12:04 AM
As did I but now I'm wondering what their source was for that info.

Prowler
10-07-2017, 08:12 AM
wat

I'm just saying a lot of Technodrome users are on his Facebook friends list. Doubt he comes here.

I'm just surprised lots of Drome users seem to "know" him.

Tetsu Deinonychus
10-07-2017, 09:04 AM
So, Irma's just "Irma"? Works for me.

Powder
10-07-2017, 01:38 PM
I'm just surprised lots of Drome users seem to "know" him.

Fans flock to those tied to their beloved franchises. I've got voice actors, comic artists, stunt-men, etc. as Facebook friends. Some of whom I'm happy to say ended up becoming actual friends!
:tlol:

Cryomancer
10-07-2017, 08:52 PM
I'm seriously wondering where the hell that name came from then. I had it in my brain as accepted info and I'm not even a huge fan of the old show or anything. We have a mystery on our hands here.

CyberCubed
10-08-2017, 01:45 AM
I thought Irma's model sheet from Turtles Forever had her last name Langinstein, but I guess not:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e0/9a/cc/e09acc9efe7484826a0a61e7d4d114ff.jpg

Just Irma is listed. I feel like I've seen a model sheet with her last name before.

Powder
10-08-2017, 02:01 AM
I had checked my copy of that too, & was also surprised to see it wasn't there. This is quite a discovery. :tlol:

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
10-08-2017, 06:54 AM
Didn't Nickelodeon use "Langinstein" in one early-episode of the 2012-2017 series?

MrPliggins
10-08-2017, 09:52 AM
So is IMDB the only place that states her last name? I wonder where they got it from.

Haven't seen the Nick episode in question but it seems the name was already somehow established before 2012.

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
10-08-2017, 10:42 AM
So is IMDB the only place that states her last name? I wonder where they got it from.

Haven't seen the Nick episode in question but it seems the name was already somehow established before 2012.

Here it's mentioned in a post at this community, dated back to November 2002, 10 years priror to the beginning of the Nickelodeon series

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=1187&highlight=Langinstein

DevilSpooky
10-08-2017, 07:40 PM
I have memory of always knowing her as Langinstein, and thats from even before the big Internet boom... WTF?! :teek:

EDIT: So I can't link it because you need to be a member there so see it but if you google "card 44 irma panini" you find a card from Panini's sticker collection of the Nick Turtles, this is a card of Irma and it does identify her as Irma Langinstein, this is a Licensed collectible so at least Nick's Irma actually has the surname Langinstein. The site is Laststicker.com BTW and it's a site for people to trade stickers and trading cards.

Ninjinister
10-09-2017, 02:59 AM
I have memory of always knowing her as Langinstein, and thats from even before the big Internet boom... WTF?! :teek:

EDIT: So I can't link it because you need to be a member there so see it but if you google "card 44 irma panini" you find a card from Panini's sticker collection of the Nick Turtles, this is a card of Irma and it does identify her as Irma Langinstein, this is a Licensed collectible so at least Nick's Irma actually has the surname Langinstein. The site is Laststicker.com BTW and it's a site for people to trade stickers and trading cards.

Probably cribbed from somewhere else on the internet and then signed off on as an oversight. If we can't keep things like this straight, some studio heads probably don't even give a dook.

Probably how "Tilley" is starting to show up as Renet's surname elsewhere despite only being mentioned in one thing ever, that almost nobody (comparatively) has read.

Panda_Kahn_fan
10-09-2017, 03:50 PM
Hmmm, considering who started this post, did this debate get started because I used the name 'Langstien' for my TMNT fanfic? :lol:

Seriously though, I just found the name on the wiki, and it seemed to fit. So iI take it nobody actually knows where it came from? OY!

Ninjinister
10-09-2017, 05:46 PM
Well since it was pointed out that there was no source for it, it was removed from the Wiki.

Legit information is what rules these things and I let one slip just because I assumed since I saw it everywhere, it was legit.

I feel bad that the Wiki now has contributed to misinformation.

Panda_Kahn_fan
10-09-2017, 05:52 PM
Well since it was pointed out that there was no source for it, it was removed from the Wiki.

Legit information is what rules these things and I let one slip just because I assumed since I saw it everywhere, it was legit.

I feel bad that the Wiki now has contributed to misinformation.

Good idea. Still, I think the fanbase will forgive me if I keep using the name. :tlol:

I always did wonder where the wiki got the name from. :-?

DevilSpooky
10-09-2017, 07:28 PM
Probably cribbed from somewhere else on the internet and then signed off on as an oversight. If we can't keep things like this straight, some studio heads probably don't even give a dook.

Probably how "Tilley" is starting to show up as Renet's surname elsewhere despite only being mentioned in one thing ever, that almost nobody (comparatively) has read.

Either way it's something official so that's something at least... :tgrumble:

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
10-10-2017, 08:41 AM
Hmmm, considering who started this post, did this debate get started because I used the name 'Langstien' for my TMNT fanfic? :lol:

Seriously though, I just found the name on the wiki, and it seemed to fit. So iI take it nobody actually knows where it came from? OY!

No. I don't think you will confuse anyone with using the name in fanfiction.