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Prowler
10-01-2017, 03:09 PM
You know how Splinter and Hamato Yoshi were the same person in the FW series? And then Hamato Yoshi turned into a rat due to coming in contact with the mutagen while the Turtles... well you know that part.

Splinter as Hamato Yoshi was the leader of the Foot Clan, and Oroku Saki was the student that screwed him over. Now obviously the way Yoshi got screwed was pretty stupid and hard to believe. Those three guys didn't see the knife and assumed Yoshi wanted to kill the old guy. And for whatever reason Splinter ran away to USA, NYC of all places which is on the East Coast, therefore VERY FAR from Japan(how the hell did he even end up there if he was poor/broke?!). But anyway, Splinter was the leader of the Foot Clan. Shredder was his student. Then he betrayed him, turned the Clan into a criminal organisation in Japan and then also moved to USA to look for Yoshi and kill him... but ended up turning him into a rat and mutating the 4 Turtles into what they've become. The irony of this is stunning.

Give FW all the flack you want, but you cant' really say it handled the Splinter and Turtle origins that bad. Splinter and Hamato Yoshi being the same person is more realistic and believable than a pet rat learning martial arts from watching his master train and then randomly finding a book about Renaissance art and name the Turtles after 4 Italian artists. In the FW series Yoshi was a man into art. He didn't just find a book lying in the sewers about it. He stated those were his favourite artists.

Now, after knowing about Mirage and watching the 2k3 series I too stopped viewing the FW origin as a legitimate one and pretty much see Splinter having been Yoshi's pet rat as the canon origin, but I can't say his origin was handled poorly in the FW series.

As for Shredder, his origin also fit the FW series. It's not as personal as Oroku Saki killing Yoshi, but since Yoshi and Splinter were the same people in the FW series, that'd not have worked for obvious reasons. Shredder stabbing Splinter in the back and taking over the Foot Clan was rather believable tbh. It's still a personal issue between both men, even though Splinter isn't exactly looking for vengeance in this cartoon.

So yeah, thoughts?

PApagreg
10-01-2017, 03:16 PM
I prefer human to rat origin, something about a rat learning ninjutsu from watching his owner is a concept that I have trouble swallowing even in a very bizarre series which is TMNT.

newfan
10-01-2017, 03:17 PM
I like Splinter being Yoshi, to me it makes a stronger story for the rivalry between him and Shredder and also (to me) makes them seem more equal opponents. Also the turltes are trained by Yoshi himself. However I know from reading other threads that others have a different view.

Above was slightly edited.

Prowler
10-01-2017, 03:24 PM
hmmm I feel a possible argument coming on..... :)

I like Splinter being Yoshi, to me it makes a stronger story for the rivalry between him and Shredder and also (to me) makes him seem more equal opponent. However I know from reading other threads that others don't like it.

Tbh a pet rat seeing his beloved owner being murdered is quite sad and makes it sweeter for Splinter and the Turtles to kick Shredder's metal ass. Also, you could argue that Splinter being an animal all along makes him living with Turtles and considering them his sons more believable. I like the idea of April being the very first human being that the Turtles become friends with and accept as family.

neatoman
10-01-2017, 03:25 PM
I don't know. The whole thing just kind of feels like it was originally copied from the comic, but then someone didn't think an origin that relied on three people getting murdered was OK for kids, so it was just sloppily altered.

I mean the basic beats of the comic origin goes like this:

Yoshi flees Japan after he murders Nagi.
Shen and Yoshi are murdered by Saki, so Splinter (the rat) goes down the sewer.
Splinter mutates by touching the ooze covered turtles, which turns all of them into humanoids.


And in the FW show it goes like this:

Yoshi flees Japan after he's accused of a murder attempt.
He (an educated human being) goes down the sewer.
Yoshi mutates by touching the ooze covered turtles, which results in them mutating into identical humanoids while he becomes a rat.


You can sort of tell by how sloppy it is, it was probably going to be the original origin before a re-write.

Edit: And I've said this before, trying to explain how the same localised incident causes four identical transformations and one extremely different one is just jumping through pointless hoops.

IndigoErth
10-01-2017, 03:26 PM
I'm "eh" on the former Foot involvement, but Yoshi and Splinter being the same person is my preferred origin. Just fits more natural to me that he'd already be a skilled martial artist, not just learned via by mimicry, and bring a human lifestyle and knowledge with him in the way that he'd raise the Turtles and educate them.

plastroncafe
10-01-2017, 03:27 PM
I'm not a huge fan of the Japanese man turning into a rodent origin story.

Prowler
10-01-2017, 03:28 PM
I don't know. The whole thing just kind of feels like it was originally copied from the comic, but then someone didn't think an origin that relied on three people getting murdered was OK for kids, so it was just sloppily altered.

I mean the basic beats of the comic origin goes like this:

Yoshi flees Japan after he murders Nagi.
Shen and Yoshi are murdered by Saki, so Splinter (the rat) goes down the sewer.
Splinter mutates by touching the ooze covered turtles, which turns all of them into humanoids.


And in the FW show it goes like this:

Yoshi flees Japan after he's accused of a murder attempt.
He (an educated human being) goes down the sewer.
Yoshi mutates by touching the ooze covered turtles, which results in them mutating into identical humanoids while he becomes a rat.


You can sort of tell by how sloppy it is, it was probably going to be the original origin before a re-write.

I mean, in the 2k3 series, you see Shredder killing Hamato Yoshi. And it's not like the 2k3 series was that violent. I twas still a kids show. I guess that still wasn't acceptable in a children cartoon back in 1988?

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
10-01-2017, 03:45 PM
I guess that still wasn't acceptable in a children cartoon back in 1988?

I used to think so, but I saw a Superfriends (animated Justice League) episode with flashback scenes where Batman's parents are killed outside the cinema. It wasn't much, just they walked through the alleyway, and then it was told they had been attacked and were gone.

So maybe, they could've had Shredder striking towards Splinter with a samurai sword, then the screen becoming black for some seconds and then just show a grave and Hamato Yoshi's Japanese friends in New York City mourning him.

When the 2003-2009 series aired, times had changed and we saw Hamato Yoshi being tortured.

neatoman
10-01-2017, 03:46 PM
I mean, in the 2k3 series, you see Shredder killing Hamato Yoshi. And it's not like the 2k3 series was that violent. I twas still a kids show. I guess that still wasn't acceptable in a children cartoon back in 1988?

Eh, not really. While it's obvious that's indeed what happens, the audience never technically sees it because the camera doesn't follow the claw for long enough. Hell, Splinter don't even get to see it, he closes his eyes as it happens.
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Prowler
10-01-2017, 03:52 PM
I used to think so, but I saw a Superfriends (animated Justice League) episode with flashback scenes where Batman's parents are killed outside the cinema. It wasn't much, just they walked through the alleyway, and then it was told they had been attacked and were gone.

So maybe, they could've had Shredder striking towards Splinter with a samurai sword, then the screen becoming black for some seconds and then just show a grave and Hamato Yoshi's Japanese friends in New York City mourning him.

When the 2003-2009 series aired, times had changed and we saw Hamato Yoshi being tortured.
Don't forget Leonardo cutting Shredder's head off. Granted he later picked his head up and walked off and we didn't know he was an Utrom yet... but that scene took balls to animate.

I'm not a huge fan of the Japanese man turning into a rodent origin story.
Why are pointing out him being Japanese? What are you implying? That it's another one of those examples of a non-white character being treated poorly in the American media or something?

Eh, not really. While it's obvious that's indeed what happens, the audience never technically sees it because the camera doesn't follow the claw for long enough. Hell, Splinter don't even get to see it, he closes his eyes as it happens.
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Well obviously you don't see him bleeding to death or getting his cut throat... but it's not like it was a very tame scene overall.

I wonder why it was acceptable for 2003 but not for 1988. Tbh the 2k3 series got away with some risky stuff such as Leonardo "cutting" Shredder's head off and ofc the episode SAINW.

newfan
10-01-2017, 03:52 PM
He (an educated human being) goes down the sewer.

I assumed with 2012 (prior to loan rat and cubs ep) that he only went to the sewers after being mutated, I preferred that. I suppose though with being disgraced and more so maybe in hiding may be why he was in the sewers before then in FW.

ToTheNines
10-01-2017, 03:59 PM
I'm not a huge fan of the Japanese man turning into a rodent origin story.

You're so predictable.

Prowler
10-01-2017, 04:03 PM
You're so predictable.
Yeah I don't get what plastron is implying here. Ok, a Japanese man turns into a rat... but it's not like his character is handled poorly. Nor Shredder's for that matter. Splinter is taken seriously and Shredder isn't given a goofy comical accent.

The FW series had its own issues, but never struck me as racist or culturally insensitive. In fact, it was the first ever cartoon I've seen with Japanese elements in it, which was kinda interesting considering the FW series predates the anime boom in USA and the West as a whole. I'd even credit the FW series as planting the seeds of my interest for Japanese and East Asian cultures in general. It definitely warmed me up to them. Now, ofc I know real ninjas weren't like the Turtles and such, but it's not like Iv'e ever seen the FW series as a guide for Japanese culture and history, anyway.

Candy Kappa
10-01-2017, 04:09 PM
I'm not a huge fan of the FW origin, it's seem rather strange that Yoshi is that easily defeated and thrown out of the clan when he's the rightful inheritor of it knowing the super secret Three-Stooges manouver that's proof of being the next in line for being Head of the Clan.

Why are pointing out him being Japanese? What are you implying? That it's another one of those examples of a non-white character being treated poorly in the American media or something?

https://po394.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/jap-trap.jpg

ToTheNines
10-01-2017, 04:11 PM
Google "Japanese rat propaganda".

It's real, but largely forgotten. Clearly not the intention of anyone at Fred Wolf Films.

But, ya know...

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Prowler
10-01-2017, 04:16 PM
I'm not a huge fan of the FW origin, it's seem rather strange that Yoshi is that easily defeated and thrown out of the clan when he's the rightful inheritor of it knowing the super secret Three-Stooges manouver that's proof of being the next in line for being Head of the Clan.



https://po394.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/jap-trap.jpg
...I think that's just a coincidence. I mean, if you're gonna point fingers, then at least blame Mirage for Splinter being the pet rat of a Japanese man. Technically Splinter himself, even when not human, is Japanese in habits and culture.

I think, if that's what plastron is implying, is reading too much into it. Besides, if there was any bigotry behind the creation of the TMNT franchise, the Turtles and Splinter would not have been the good guys, right? And laird and Eastman were born after WW2 was over anyway.

Anyway, it's quite appalling how blatantly racist and dehumanising WW2 propaganda was. I've always thought the atomic bombs were borderline genocidal acts for that as well(and also, you know killing hundreds of thousands of civilians?. But yeah, back to the thread subject please.

plastroncafe
10-01-2017, 04:18 PM
You're so predictable.

That's probably because my answer hasn't changed since the last time someone asked this question.

Candy Kappa
10-01-2017, 04:19 PM
I highly doubt it was by design, and it's just a unfortunate happenstance. But FW Splinter is basically just the old Asian wise man and little else of character and personality behind it, so I can certainly see people think more about the coincident (although in that regard IDW would be a better example of the Yoshi-to-rat versions). At least FW Human!Splinter don't have rodent features like the teeth and beady eyes. :lol:

Prowler
10-01-2017, 04:21 PM
I highly doubt it was by design, and it's just a unfortunate happenstance. But FW Splinter is basically just the old Asian wise man and little else of character and personality behind it, so I can certainly see people think more about the coincident (although in that regard IDW would be a better example of the Yoshi-to-rat versions). At least FW Human!Splinter don't have rodent features like the teeth and beady eyes. :lol:
Well indeed it is a clichť archetype. He's basically an animated Mr. Miyagi. But hardly an offensive one.

plastroncafe
10-01-2017, 04:22 PM
I'm not suggesting it's an intentional call-back, I'm saying it's an unfortunate co-relation that sours the interpretation for me.

And given that the thread is literally asking how I feel about it, I don't think it's taking the question too seriously.

Heck, I didn't even go into it, but some got buttmad anyway.

Prowler
10-01-2017, 04:27 PM
I'm not suggesting it's an intentional call-back, I'm saying it's an unfortunate co-relation that sours the interpretation for me.

And given that the thread is literally asking how I feel about it, I don't think it's taking the question too seriously.

Heck, I didn't even go into it, but some got buttmad anyway.
Too late. I cannot unsee it now. It will take me a while to see Splinter in a different light for a while now. Maybe I'll be over it by Tuesday.

Goddamn you, plastron :tcry:

plastroncafe
10-01-2017, 04:38 PM
Too late. I cannot unsee it now. It will take me a while to see Splinter in a different light for a while now. Maybe I'll be over it by Tuesday.

Goddamn you, plastron :tcry:

You have my apologies for the invasion of your safe space by my opinion on a fictional character. It was not my intent to trigger you and cause you emotional distress.

Panda_Kahn_fan
10-01-2017, 05:12 PM
I'm not a huge fan of the Japanese man turning into a rodent origin story.

The character Yuki Sohma from the anime fruits basket turns into a rat. There are anime, manga, and parts of Japanese folklore where Japanese men turn into Nezumi and rat creatures. And being identified as a rat is not a bad or insulting thing for Japanese people, because of the animal's sacred and honored place on the Chinese zodiac. The Japanese view the rat as a quick, cunning, and intelligent animal. And I don't think a few western propaganda pieces from World War II should override an entire culture's centuries long history of identifying clever or cunning individuals in that culture as an intelligent and respected animal.

plastroncafe
10-01-2017, 05:33 PM
The character Yuki Sohma from the anime fruits basket turns into a rat. There are anime, manga, and parts of Japanese folklore where Japanese men turn into Nezumi and rat creatures. And being identified as a rat is not a bad or insulting thing for Japanese people, because of the animal's sacred and honored place on the Chinese zodiac. The Japanese view the rat as a quick, cunning, and intelligent animal. And I don't think a few western propaganda pieces from World War II should override an entire culture's centuries long history of identifying clever or cunning individuals in that culture as an intelligent and respected animal.

Okay. I'm glad you see it that way.
I don't share that opinion.

MsMarvelDuckie
10-01-2017, 05:37 PM
I don't know. The whole thing just kind of feels like it was originally copied from the comic, but then someone didn't think an origin that relied on three people getting murdered was OK for kids, so it was just sloppily altered.

I mean the basic beats of the comic origin goes like this:

Yoshi flees Japan after he murders Nagi.
Shen and Yoshi are murdered by Saki, so Splinter (the rat) goes down the sewer.
Splinter mutates by touching the ooze covered turtles, which turns all of them into humanoids.


And in the FW show it goes like this:

Yoshi flees Japan after he's accused of a murder attempt.
He (an educated human being) goes down the sewer.
Yoshi mutates by touching the ooze covered turtles, which results in them mutating into identical humanoids while he becomes a rat.


You can sort of tell by how sloppy it is, it was probably going to be the original origin before a re-write.

Edit: And I've said this before, trying to explain how the same localised incident causes four identical transformations and one extremely different one is just jumping through pointless hoops.


But we know that the turtles were not the only creatures he touched. It flat out states that he was LIVING WITH rats as pets and that they were the last animal he had contact with when he touched the mutagen. (And it even shows him stepping in it BEFORE HE EVER TOUCHES THE TURTLES crawling in it.) So it's not sloppy- they explained veey clearly why he ended up a rat.


I assumed with 2012 (prior to loan rat and cubs ep) that he only went to the sewers after being mutated, I preferred that. I suppose though with being disgraced and more so maybe in hiding may be why he was in the sewers before then in FW.


He was indeed in hiding. Saki had basically framed him for trying to kill a GRANDMASTER. Think about that for a moment. In ninja clans that amounts to not just exile but most likely a death sentance as well. He went into hiding in a place that he hoped would be safe from retribution by the clan. Plus being literally penniless did not help. No resources and no friends- he was royally screwed and he knew it.


I'm not a huge fan of the FW origin, it's seem rather strange that Yoshi is that easily defeated and thrown out of the clan when he's the rightful inheritor of it knowing the super secret Three-Stooges manouver that's proof of being the next in line for being Head of the Clan.


https://po394.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/jap-trap.jpg


That would have ended the moment he was exiled from the clan though. Yes he had proof of Shredder's plot but unless someone was willing to listen to his side (obviously they were not) then it did not matter that he was the rightful leader. Saki made sure he was thoroughly ousted. And then he added insult to injury by trying to kill him. (Most likely because he realized that leaving him alive might get his plot discovered eventually.)


The character Yuki Sohma from the anime fruits basket turns into a rat. There are anime, manga, and parts of Japanese folklore where Japanese men turn into Nezumi and rat creatures. And being identified as a rat is not a bad or insulting thing for Japanese people, because of the animal's sacred and honored place on the Chinese zodiac. The Japanese view the rat as a quick, cunning, and intelligent animal. And I don't think a few western propaganda pieces from World War II should override an entire culture's centuries long history of identifying clever or cunning individuals in that culture as an intelligent and respected animal.


Exactly. Rats are considered a sacred animal in the Eastern zodiac and folklore much like many other animals. It would only have been truly an insult if he had been turned into a cat, which is often seen as a demon in Japan.

Panda_Kahn_fan
10-01-2017, 05:41 PM
Exactly. Rats are considered a sacred animal in the Eastern zodiac and folklore much like many other animals. It would only have been truly an insult if he had been turned into a cat, which is often seen as a demon in Japan.

Correct, thank you. I wonder if any Japanese TMNT fans would complain about the Yoshi-turned-rat aspect.

FredWolfLeonardo
10-01-2017, 06:08 PM
One thing I liked about FW Splinter was that he didn't try and get revenge on the Shredder unless he happened to be conquering the world and the turtles weren't able to defeat him by themselves.

He was a pretty chill dude, content with his life as a Mutant Rat.

Panda_Kahn_fan
10-01-2017, 06:09 PM
One thing I liked about FW Splinter was that he didn't try and get revenge on the Shredder unless he happened to be conquering the world and the turtles weren't able to defeat him by themselves.

He was a pretty chill dude, content with his life as a Mutant Rat.

Weirdly enough, and even when he was offered the chance to go back to being human, he was reluctant to do so, because of all the sensory and reflex advantages he had as a mutant. And when the mutagen cure wore off and he became a mutant rat again, he didn't seem too bothered.

FredWolfLeonardo
10-01-2017, 06:16 PM
One more thing I found interesting about this version of Splinter was that he was actually Shredder's superior.

Pretty different from the common view nowdays of Splinter and Shreddwr being equals.

Splinter did teach Shredder Ninjitsu after all, and was much older by comparison, but still either equalled or surprassed his student in combat (the former most likely due to old age and Shredder's willingness to use Deceptive tactics).

So Shredder in the FW series was never really on the level of Splinter, but more on the level of the turtles, mostly being able to match about 2 turtles in combat consistently throughout the series, but something losing to just 1 or beating all 4 depending on whats conveninent to the plot.

Prowler
10-02-2017, 10:27 AM
One more thing I found interesting about this version of Splinter was that he was actually Shredder's superior.

Pretty different from the common view nowdays of Splinter and Shreddwr being equals.

Splinter did teach Shredder Ninjitsu after all, and was much older by comparison, but still either equalled or surprassed his student in combat (the former most likely due to old age and Shredder's willingness to use Deceptive tactics).

So Shredder in the FW series was never really on the level of Splinter, but more on the level of the turtles, mostly being able to match about 2 turtles in combat consistently throughout the series, but something losing to just 1 or beating all 4 depending on whats conveninent to the plot.
Dunno how "much older". human Splinter didn't really look that old to me. Couldn't be older than 45 or so. It's a bit odd how he needed a walking stick to walk, considering his quick martial art reflexes.

As for Shredder, he looks 32 years old at the very best. He is pretty young.

neatoman
10-02-2017, 10:43 AM
Here's another question, if the Turtles ended up looking like turtles with a human posture, why didn't Yoshi just get the posture of a rat without the fur and stuff?

Prowler
10-02-2017, 10:49 AM
The worst part of the origin was how they tried to shoehoern Mondo gecko into it with the "HE WAS THERE ALL ALONG!". No he ****ing wasn't.

FredWolfLeonardo
10-02-2017, 11:20 AM
Here's another question, if the Turtles ended up looking like turtles with a human posture, why didn't Yoshi just get the posture of a rat without the fur and stuff?

I'm still trying to figure out what your question even means.

As for why they didn't have a furless Splinter, it would look hideous.

neatoman
10-02-2017, 11:58 AM
I'm still trying to figure out what your question even means.

As for why they didn't have a furless Splinter, it would look hideous.

If the Turtles look like humans in posture (two legs, two arms, hands etc) but the surface features of turtles (shell, scales, etc), then why don't Splinter look like a rat in posture (four long legs) with the surface features of a human (nose, ears, etc)?

Basically, why don't he look like a shaven rat with a human face? I know that sounds horrifying but that's essentially how the turtles mutated. If they had mutated the way Hamato Yoshi did, then they would be crawling on all fours, have pink skin, lips, noses and possibly tufts of hair on their scalps.

plastroncafe
10-02-2017, 11:59 AM
Humans are covered in hair though.

Prowler
10-02-2017, 12:01 PM
Humans are covered in hair though.
I cant' grown chest hair to save my life :(

plastroncafe
10-02-2017, 12:07 PM
I cant' grown chest hair to save my life :(

Me neither, but that doesn't change the fact that I am in covered in hair.

neatoman
10-02-2017, 12:12 PM
Humans are covered in hair though.

Not nearly as much as rats though.

FredWolfLeonardo
10-02-2017, 12:29 PM
If the Turtles look like humans in posture (two legs, two arms, hands etc) but the surface features of turtles (shell, scales, etc), then why don't Splinter look like a rat in posture (four long legs) with the surface features of a human (nose, ears, etc)?

Basically, why don't he look like a shaven rat with a human face? I know that sounds horrifying but that's essentially how the turtles mutated. If they had mutated the way Hamato Yoshi did, then they would be crawling on all fours, have pink skin, lips, noses and possibly tufts of hair on their scalps.

The best answer I can give is that mutagen was never meant to be intricate on the level you are suggesting.

Its only meant to make a person half animal/half human in a simple way that allowed the writers to come up with cool designs and market toys that would appeal to children.

but if we're going into deep speculation, I'd argue that the turtles don't actually have that many turtle features besides shells and front body plates. Their scales looks more like human skin with a shade of green, their hands feet are much more humanoid than reptilian, and they have human teeth, intelligence, hearing which turtles don't have and they can sweat. Basically, they are more human than turtle because thats who they came in contact with.

In a similar vein, I imagine Splinter would look far more like a rat than a human because of being in contact with rats before mutating, and he does. He pretty much has all the features of a rat besides maybe being able to stand and walk on two legs. Which brings me to my point is that when Mutating, a creature would have some its original features, but mostly gain new features from the animals they come in contact with.

So the turtles have some turtle features, but are mostly human.
Splinter has some human features, but is mostly a rat.
Bebop has some human features, but is mostly a warthog
Rocksteady has some human features, but is mostly a Rhinoceros

And so on.

MsMarvelDuckie
10-02-2017, 05:50 PM
This is only partially accurate. It was stated many times that they were still cold-blooded, and being reptiles they were also hairless. They can also swim very well as shown more than once. And just to point out a minor detail, turtles can hear just as well as humans. They have no external ear features(nor do other reptiles, but that hardly makes them hearing impaired), but still have fully functional internal ear structures. For that matter, turtles can smell water up to two miles aways so their sense of smell would be better than a human's.

FredWolfLeonardo
10-02-2017, 06:33 PM
I don't think you're necessarily wrong in the details you've provided, its just that overall, I'd say the Ninja turtles are more like humans than ordinary turtles.

Alot of the things you have stated (being good swimmers) I think can be attributed to humans as well while other details such as them calling themselves Cold Blooded I doubt is more than a gag or a part of a Pun, especially when they have been shown to sweat and jump around and be active in snow which would normally cause ordinary reptiles to slow down.

MsMarvelDuckie
10-02-2017, 08:46 PM
It wasn't just a gag though. They have even used that trait more than once to help them defeat an enemy who forgets that reptiles don't create their own body heat. (And as turtles, of COURSE they are good swimners! They LIVED in water! In contrast, most humans are only passable swimmers unless trained Olympic-level athletes.)

In essence, they are turtles evolved to a more advanced form- much like birds from theropod dinosaurs. There is an episode of Star Trek Voyager that dealt with something like this, where a saurian species (Igaunodons) evolved into a bipedal and sentient race of reptilian spacefarers so far from Earth that they forgot where their home ever even was. Basically the TMNT hyper-evolved to something similar, through spliced DNA via the mutagen.

The sweating is more of a gag than anything, tbh. Reptiles don't sweat(no sweat glands) and since they have explicitly shown them as cold-blooded, neither should they. Although some reptiles (specifically sea turtles) ARE capable of maintaining body temperature through sheer mass. Basically they are so big that they do not lose much heat even in colder environments. Some scientists believe dinosaurs had the same ability. Bigger bodies retain heat better.

FredWolfLeonardo
10-02-2017, 09:31 PM
hmmm, about the turtles defeating their enemy by taking advantage of their cold bloodedness, was that an episode of the FW series? I can't seem to recall.

Panda_Kahn_fan
10-02-2017, 10:19 PM
hmmm, about the turtles defeating their enemy by taking advantage of their cold bloodedness, was that an episode of the FW series? I can't seem to recall.

Yep, in the episode where napolen bonafrog turned into a monster. Shredder had a heat-seeking weapon, and it went after him, bebop, and rocksteady instead because the turtles and frogs are cold blooded

MsMarvelDuckie
10-03-2017, 06:09 PM
There may have been other instances as well but that was the one that I thought of first. I know Donatello mentioned it once or twice as well.

pferreira
10-05-2017, 09:41 AM
I preferred Splinter as a human changing into a rat. It seemed more believable within the context of that universe. Not rubbishing the mutated rat origin as that's the original but I always felt that human to rat origin was an improvement.

Weirdly enough, and even when he was offered the chance to go back to being human, he was reluctant to do so, because of all the sensory and reflex advantages he had as a mutant. And when the mutagen cure wore off and he became a mutant rat again, he didn't seem too bothered.In Splinter No More it's not that he's bothered, it's more he's upset he'll never become human but learns to accept who he now is plus his sons need him. He knows he can't defend them as a human.

He was indeed in hiding. Saki had basically framed him for trying to kill a GRANDMASTER. Y'know it just came to that the whole scene in question could have been avoided if Yoshi embarrassed himself. Shredder pins Yoshi with the knife and then when Yoshi can't kneel he takes the knife out from his back and waves it in front of the grandmaster. I mean what he should of done was just saw the prank through and ripped himself off the knife. Yeah it would have been absolutely hilarious with everyone hearing a massive ripping sound as they knelt and would have caused Yoshi to have a massive hole on his back but it could have avoided his 'disgrace'. :lol:

Then again if that happened there would be no story so...

As for why they didn't have a furless Splinter, it would look hideous.

Basically, why don't he look like a shaven rat with a human face? I know that sounds horrifying but that's essentially how the turtles mutated. If they had mutated the way Hamato Yoshi did, then they would be crawling on all fours, have pink skin, lips, noses and possibly tufts of hair on their scalps.Are you crazy?! You wanted this???

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/0b/96/76/0b9676a03069665f2f784d9e1a4519a8--hairless-rat-hairless-animals.jpg

Ulisa
10-05-2017, 12:50 PM
Iíve always preferred Splinter originally being Hamato Yoshi as I feel it makes more sense for both his skill and it makes his connection to Shredder more personal. I do like how the other versions make Splinter wanting to avenge his master and that can certainly work but I think the human versions add more opportunities.

As for the way he was mutated as opposed to the turtles, well, if thereís one thing the mutagen is consistent about it is that itís inconsistent. Itís mentioned several times to be an unstable mixture so it doesnít surprise me at all that how it works one time may not be how it works other times. It seemed to me that it just combined the essence of two animals into one and how it did that could vary and change.

I always pictured the turtles and the frogs (and I suppose Mondo Gecko too) as being mesothermic as opposed to cold or warm blooded because they are a blend of cold and warm blooded creatures as opposed to Splinter/BeBop/Rocksteady who were a blend of creatures who were both warm blooded. So thatís how I rationalize that their environment does have some effect on temperature but they can partially control it it bus sweat/shivering.

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
10-05-2017, 12:55 PM
I think it should be two forms of mutagen:

*Green mutagen = Growing formula (mutating the turtles)
*Purple mutagen = transforms whoever touches it into the animal he or she last touched (mutating Hamato Yoshi into Splinter)

itwouldntwork
10-18-2017, 04:07 AM
As others have pointed out, it's quite obvious Splinter's origins were changed simply to avoid having all that murder in the first episode. It doesn't even make sense for him to be living in the sewers - it's just a superficial swap-around.

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
10-18-2017, 07:15 AM
As others have pointed out, it's quite obvious Splinter's origins were changed simply to avoid having all that murder in the first episode. It doesn't even make sense for him to be living in the sewers - it's just a superficial swap-around.

Why not? Accused for murder in Japan, no habitual residence in the USA. Would have to hide anywhere.

PizzaPower1985
10-19-2017, 02:03 PM
I don't care for the FW show but I do like a lot of the concepts and by extension the mythology that FW built into the franchise. I prefer Splinter as Yoshi. It makes a lot more sense and is a lot more concise and succinct than the origin given in Mirage #1.