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Papenbrook
10-02-2017, 07:22 PM
Ever since the arc aired on Nicktoons, I've seen some people voice their complaints about it.

So, why do some folks hate the finale?

IndigoErth
10-02-2017, 08:20 PM
I'm sure that can probably be figured out in the discussion thread for that arc.

Powder
10-02-2017, 08:57 PM
There are more than enough places where people have said their piece. This is just gonna lead to more whining/arguments/etc.

Papenbrook
10-02-2017, 09:15 PM
You're right. This was a bad idea.

Can you lock the thread, Machias?

Shiro Kame
10-02-2017, 09:18 PM
Well, since the world is essentially a hellhole now, it makes all the turtles' attempts to save it over and over pointless and a slap in the face.

Papenbrook
10-02-2017, 09:23 PM
Well, since the world is essentially a hellhole now, it makes all the turtles' attempts to save it over and over pointless and a slap in the face.

That, and also...

Why was Casey's skull used as a bomb?! That just makes his role pointless.

It's almost as bad as Splinter dying when he was reaching for the milk.

Vicky82
10-02-2017, 10:46 PM
It was alright but it shouldn't be a series final because

All 4 turtles should have been in it from start to finish.
April, Casey, Karai, Shinigami should have been involved or at least mentioned to find out what happened to them.
More explanation on the mutagen bomb.

I'm glad that Nickelodeon are airing the crossover as the final but it's a shame they released it on DVD first.

asfaloth12
10-03-2017, 04:01 AM
It was alright but it shouldn't be a series final because

All 4 turtles should have been in it from start to finish.
April, Casey, Karai, Shinigami should have been involved or at least mentioned to find out what happened to them.
More explanation on the mutagen bomb.

I'm glad that Nickelodeon are airing the crossover as the final but it's a shame they released it on DVD first.
You've made some good points here (especially on all turtles being there all the way through)
It did have a few good moments (Leo and Raph, the final shot with Splinter and the turtles). But, there were way too many contradictions and plot holes. The writing was quite lazy. The more I think about it, the more flaws I notice. I'm not a fan of how they disposed of two important female characters with barely a mention. It's a shame-- the animation was excellent as usual, as was the voice acting (especially Sean Astin)

Well, since the world is essentially a hellhole now, it makes all the turtles' attempts to save it over and over pointless and a slap in the face.
That didn't help, either. .......which is why I'm relieved that it's an AU :D

Ninjinister
10-03-2017, 04:41 AM
Why was Casey's skull used as a bomb?! That just makes his role pointless.

You don't think Casey would approve? Is that fate not sufficiently "metal" enough?

FredWolfLeonardo
10-03-2017, 04:53 AM
It was alright but it shouldn't be a series final because

All 4 turtles should have been in it from start to finish.
April, Casey, Karai, Shinigami should have been involved or at least mentioned to find out what happened to them.
More explanation on the mutagen bomb.

I'm glad that Nickelodeon are airing the crossover as the final but it's a shame they released it on DVD first.

I disagree.

The Mutant Apocalypse was the last episode in production order, had the same turtles from the show (not an alternate reality), wrapped them up perfectly in the end (it doesn't matter that not all were in all 3 episodes) and we don't need an explanation for the Mutagen bomb, we already know it was something along the lines of a Kraang attack, and it didn't matter in the actual story of the arc.

The series finale even had a cool image by Ciro of a Mirage turtle at the end, holding a thank you sign of the two co-creators of Ninja Turtles.

I think its a damn shame Nick is opting for a cop out by trying to pull another Turtles Forever, rather than airing the episodes as Ciro intended. I wasn't actually that iffed by the other episodes being aired out of order, but the series finale? That should've been aired at the end without a shadow of doubt and fully deserved it from every angle.

As much as I love the crossover, I think its a slap in face to Ciro and the entire team behind the show for the Corporate Executives to make the crossover the finale, its nothing but FW pandering in all the wrong ways that even a huge FW fan such as myself would find repulsive.

LeotheLateBloomer
10-03-2017, 05:34 AM
I disagree.

The Mutant Apocalypse was the last episode in production order, had the same turtles from the show (not an alternate reality), wrapped them up perfectly in the end (it doesn't matter that not all were in all 3 episodes) and we don't need an explanation for the Mutagen bomb, we already know it was something along the lines of a Kraang attack, and it didn't matter in the actual story of the arc.

The series finale even had a cool image by Ciro of a Mirage turtle at the end, holding a thank you sign of the two co-creators of Ninja Turtles.

I think its a damn shame Nick is opting for a cop out by trying to pull another Turtles Forever, rather than airing the episodes as Ciro intended. I wasn't actually that iffed by the other episodes being aired out of order, but the series finale? That should've been aired at the end without a shadow of doubt and fully deserved it from every angle.

As much as I love the crossover, I think its a slap in face to Ciro and the entire team behind the show for the Corporate Executives to make the crossover the finale, its nothing but FW pandering in all the wrong ways that even a huge FW fan such as myself would find repulsive.

^This! Not every version of Turtles needs to end on happy times. They lost their father at the end of the last season.

While MA wasn't perfect, I'd much prefer it as the ending. They at least took a risk.

matteso586
10-03-2017, 06:49 AM
Maybe its because it contradicts the fact that Renet (in this series) is from the future. And her claims that the Turtles become legendary heroes.

IndigoErth
10-03-2017, 07:56 AM
If it really was Casey's own skull, not just a fake representative of him to put the mask on...

Now, where is the side story that covers the whole question about Raph keeping the head of his dead friend? :teek:

Did he go back and retrieve it later after nature had time to take care of the rest? Or did he just keep his friend's decomposing body and/or separated head upon his death? ("Weekend at Casey's"?)

Wtf Raph, who does that.

Happy Halloween.

newfan
10-03-2017, 11:54 AM
Most of this has been covered in the arc thread and season 5 thread..... and we're still going to have different views :)

I've already made my comments, the misery basically, dead friends, turtles separated till old age, Leo being mutated to become something he hates for years... you get the idea.
At least they did get together in the end even if it was in old age, could have been worse :)

neatoman
10-03-2017, 12:25 PM
It's less disappointing than it is perplexing. At best it's a (very) loose adaptation of relatively obscure table-top RPG, which is still an odd choice to base the finale on.

Judged on it's own merits it's just... I mean, really? Everyone except six characters (two of which are mute pets) are implied to have died in a nuclear blast shortly after the last regular episode, thereby axing any lingering plot threads and/or undoing anything that was accomplished.

Like for example, why does Karai's reconstructed Foot Clan matter if it just got blown up out of nowhere?

saber16
10-03-2017, 02:41 PM
I guess it might have been too much all at once. For a series that has such a steady continuation, this felt like such a drastic shift in story, it was a bit much to take in that not only was this where the story was going to ultimately go, but it was the series final to boot. I personally enjoyed it for the most part, but I can understand why some won't like it. Personally, I thought Lone Rat and Cubs would have been a nicer way to end the series.

DevilSpooky
10-03-2017, 03:55 PM
It's less disappointing than it is perplexing. At best it's a (very) loose adaptation of relatively obscure table-top RPG, which is still an odd choice to base the finale on.

Judged on it's own merits it's just... I mean, really? Everyone except six characters (two of which are mute pets) are implied to have died in a nuclear blast shortly after the last regular episode, thereby axing any lingering plot threads and/or undoing anything that was accomplished.

Like for example, why does Karai's reconstructed Foot Clan matter if it just got blown up out of nowhere?

Why do you grow old, marry and have children if out of nowhere something happens and you die?

There's lots of valid reasons to not like how this ended but that one is moronic and childish. :tgrumble:

ToTheNines
10-03-2017, 04:06 PM
Just a couple of random criticisms:

Maximus Kong should have been a presence from the beginning. They weren't really trying to conceal his identity with his Dark Leo design (even the kiddies probably added up the plastron and blue skin), but they still should have built him up as a threat. Would have made the boss fight less rushed.

Meera or whatever should have been some kind of legacy character. Leo and/or Karai's daughter? Don and April's? A mutated Shadow Jones? Or even a human Shadow, showing that there's still hope for humanity. That would have given it kind of a Children of Men feel. But it was hard to care about this random meerkat.

neatoman
10-03-2017, 05:22 PM
Why do you grow old, marry and have children if out of nowhere something happens and you die?

There's lots of valid reasons to not like how this ended but that one is moronic and childish. :tgrumble:

No I mean just because reality features random deaths, that doesn't mean it's the least bit satisfying in fiction. If you're gonna do it then at least bother to try make their legacy matter.

If you're gonna blow everyone up for the sake of making a story largely unrelated to what happened before, then what was the point of it?

Even your "growing old" scenario is presented with a legacy, Karai's Foot Clan was just blown up and shown no sign of having mattered, along with the majority of everything else in the first 121 episodes.

CyberCubed
10-03-2017, 06:27 PM
We don't know how old the Turtles were before the mutagen bomb went off. Most likely the Turtles, Karai and the Foot, etc. all existed as we know them for 2-3 decades before this happened.

Remember this is 50 years in the future. I seriously doubt it happened immediately after we left off. You really think Raph and the others didn't see Leo for 50 years?

PApagreg
10-03-2017, 08:19 PM
A mutated Shadow Jones? Or even a human Shadow, showing that there's still hope for humanity. That would have given it kind of a Children of Men feel. But it was hard to care about this random meerkat.
So would Shadow be April and Casey's kid or something.

snake
10-03-2017, 08:59 PM
My only criticism aside from some of the designs is the lack of Casey. It would've been badass to see Old Man Jones as the last human alive. Give him a cool bike, grey hair, and the american flag mask. It would've been perfect.

Sumac
10-04-2017, 07:53 AM
Another reason for me not to bother with this series.

Mutant Ninja Anole
10-04-2017, 09:30 AM
It's less disappointing than it is perplexing. At best it's a (very) loose adaptation of relatively obscure table-top RPG, which is still an odd choice to base the finale on.

Judged on it's own merits it's just... I mean, really? Everyone except six characters (two of which are mute pets) are implied to have died in a nuclear blast shortly after the last regular episode, thereby axing any lingering plot threads and/or undoing anything that was accomplished.

Like for example, why does Karai's reconstructed Foot Clan matter if it just got blown up out of nowhere?

This was my take too. It feels less like a finale and more a very elaborate what if story. If this were set up as a dream sequence, alternative future, or something set apart from the main series explicitly I think more people would have enjoyed it.

I actually would be really intrigued to see an exploration of the Turtles in a post human world (ala the tabletop RPG as another already said) though perhaps less a Mad Max homage and something more cyberpunkish, which has always been part of TMNT's spiritual roots . A PG rated Shadowrun (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadowrun)like setting, or, dare I say, Turtles in Time #4 (http://turtlepedia.wikia.com/wiki/Teenage_Mutant_Ninja_Turtles:_Turtles_In_Time_Issu e_4) from IDW. A world where Shredder, Krang, and Stockman are locked in eternal war, Mutants have replaced humans as the dominant species, etc.

Coola Yagami
10-04-2017, 09:31 AM
So would Shadow be April and Casey's kid or something.

Or Donnie and April. I'm sure the Nick team would have gone wild with some kind of human turtle hybrid design. Honestly Donnie is more human than turtle so i would expect him just to be a green kid, but i know Nick loves their grosd out mutation designs.

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Mutant Ninja Anole
10-04-2017, 09:37 AM
Just a couple of random criticisms:

Maximus Kong should have been a presence from the beginning. They weren't really trying to conceal his identity with his Dark Leo design (even the kiddies probably added up the plastron and blue skin), but they still should have built him up as a threat. Would have made the boss fight less rushed.

Meera or whatever should have been some kind of legacy character. Leo and/or Karai's daughter? Don and April's? A mutated Shadow Jones? Or even a human Shadow, showing that there's still hope for humanity. That would have given it kind of a Children of Men feel. But it was hard to care about this random meerkat.
I honestly was expecting her to turn out to be a mutated April, or the daughter of a mutated April and Casey.

Maybe Mira is an obscure reference to Mezcaal (http://turtlepedia.wikia.com/wiki/Mezcaal)(non Archie reader)?

CyberCubed
10-04-2017, 11:33 AM
Another reason for me not to bother with this series.

A 3-parter set in the future disconnected from the majority of the cartoon itself is a reason for you not to bother with the series? This doesn't discount the other 121 episodes that came before it.

Tarris Vaal
10-04-2017, 07:12 PM
Do you think part of the disappointment for it was that - as a finale - we were expecting something big for the fans to be shocked/fascinated by, but most of the unexpected stuff was spoiled in the trailer? Robodon for example, alongside the deaths of the humans.
Coupling that with an expectation that there would be more of a drama focus because it was a finale and thereby we were expecting something more... heartfelt I guess?


I mean the dark Leo thing was a step in that direction, but because he (Maximus) wasn't even mentioned until episode 3, there wasn't much of an emotional impact. There wasn't time for any drama there, it was too focused on action and the urgency of the moment.


Look at the speculation over what turned out to be Mikey for example. Had that been Don/Aprils kid as surmised, would that not have opened up a lot more opportunity for drama and an emotional focus?

Instead we didn't really get any major revelation like that, that wasn't already spoiled in the trailer. As a result, the arc was fun, but didnt really carry much emotional weight to it - making it feel less like a finale.


Compare that to the emotional strength of the rooftop fight against Super Shredder and the build up to it. Admittedly, that had the rest of the series as background weight, but that could and should have been true of Apocalypse too.

CyberCubed
10-04-2017, 09:54 PM
I thank the gods of the universe that Don/April didn't have a kid turtle offspring in this. I actually almost believed it would be true and actually happen during the speculation, because it sounded like something the writers might actually do....but praise all the Gods of the universe that it never came to pass.

Don/April having some Turtle offspring just makes me sick to my stomach just thinking about it. We REALLY dodged a bullet here that such a thing never happened in canon. Thank god Ciro didn't go in that direction. It had a real possibility.

Coola Yagami
10-04-2017, 10:05 PM
I thank the gods of the universe that Don/April didn't have a kid turtle offspring in this. I actually almost believed it would be true and actually happen during the speculation, because it sounded like something the writers might actually do....but praise all the Gods of the universe that it never came to pass.

Don/April having some Turtle offspring just makes me sick to my stomach just thinking about it. We REALLY dodged a bullet here that such a thing never happened in canon. Thank god Ciro didn't go in that direction. It had a real possibility.

Oh be quiet. You'd still find someway to defend it and get on people's case if they complain about it. Just like Russian Rocksteady and whatnot.

CyberCubed
10-04-2017, 11:26 PM
I would never in a million years defend Don/April having a mutant turtle kid, lol. I mean I've always said even when the show first started Don's crush on April was nothing more than a running gag and wouldn't actually go anywhere. And of course I was right.

But since this was a 50 year timeskip and we had the crazy speculation going on for a while and some "small Turtle" in the preview, it definitely seemed like a possibility, or the writers possibly giving in to shippers. I knew Ciro wouldn't let us down!

newfan
10-04-2017, 11:40 PM
Some really strong feelings there Cybercubed :)
It wouldn't have bothered me if they had a child along the way, I wasn't sure it would be that though it looked likely. I did think there would have been a small something between April and Donnie and some point by the end.

Edit: Ciro did make some hints according to some people, course when he said there will be a resolution/conclusion to the love triangle (so I believe,?) he must have meant cause they get blown up by a mutagen bomb but who would have guessed that :)

TMNT is not a love story nor do I expect it to be and romance doesn't suit all incarnations. In this show, I didn't see a problem with it, in small amount. I liked Leorai, the writers did tease ships a bit because they want the following, even if they aren't going to go there officially.

Shark_Blade
10-05-2017, 12:08 AM
I would never in a million years defend Don/April having a mutant turtle kid, lol.
Why won't you defend true love?

Coola Yagami
10-05-2017, 06:58 AM
Why won't you defend true love?

More like, why won't you defend your absolutely flawless show??? Which for him is true love

ToTheNines
10-05-2017, 03:44 PM
Oh be quiet. You'd still find someway to defend it and get on people's case if they complain about it. Just like Russian Rocksteady and whatnot.

lol...

I'd been reading through a bunch of old threads due to the 5 year anniversary/my rewatching the whole series and it is hilarious to see all crap the little twit would throw tantrums over that he just ended up defending tooth and nail. Constantly threatening how they "better not" change some thing about some character.

What a joke.

Metalwolf
10-05-2017, 04:22 PM
lol...

I'd been reading through a bunch of old threads due to the 5 year anniversary/my rewatching the whole series and it is hilarious to see all crap the little twit would throw tantrums over that he just ended up defending tooth and nail. Constantly threatening how they "better not" change some thing about some character.

What a joke.Yeah, wouldn't put it past him. He says he'd hate on the Don'O Neil hybrid baby, but as soon as someone else ragged on it, he'd tell them it was a good design and how they just aren't seeing the sheer genius and perfection of it. :roll:

Sumac
10-06-2017, 05:30 AM
A 3-parter set in the future disconnected from the majority of the cartoon itself is a reason for you not to bother with the series? This doesn't discount the other 121 episodes that came before it.
I was not big fan of the series, since season 2 and hearing that it's final is some grim-dark "alternate" future-thing is rather neither inspiring, nor interesting.

neatoman
10-06-2017, 10:17 AM
I was not big fan of the series, since season 2 and hearing that it's final is some grim-dark "alternate" future-thing is rather neither inspiring, nor interesting.

I wouldn't exactly call it "grimdark", between Mikey eating decomposed mush that used to be frozen pizza and other goofy things, I'd say it doesn't take itself seriously enough for that.

Vicky82
10-06-2017, 11:01 AM
Yeah it wasn't that dark, there were a lot of deaths (characters getting blown up ect)but Requiem and the Kavaxas Arc were more dark than this Future Arc.

CyberCubed
10-06-2017, 11:23 AM
I was not big fan of the series, since season 2 and hearing that it's final is some grim-dark "alternate" future-thing is rather neither inspiring, nor interesting.

Well even then, the 3-parter in the future is pretty disconnected from the rest of the show. I'm rewatching the series now and Season 2 is pretty great, the show does take a bit of a hit in early Season 3 but I think it improves after that until the end.

Konchadunga
10-06-2017, 06:39 PM
I am holding off final judgment on it until I see the rest of the season's episodes and can judge whether the story of how they got there was to my satisfaction.

As it stands now, I don't hate the episodes at all--I just don't think they feel like a finale, and they don't feel like Ninja Turtles. Instead, they feel like just another instance of a part of this series I haven't been too crazy about from the get-go; its willingness to drag the narrative into homages to various popular movies. At least Road Warrior isn't yet another horror film, and those episodes didn't feature the sorts of villains who seem like they should be fighting Panty and Stocking instead, but ultimately the most praise I can give the "finale" is it's something quite unique for cartoons, and it had many great scenes--but nothing about it necessitated its characters being turtles, or honey badgers, or meerkats, or iguanas; nor do I remember it taking advantage of any of that. They even put almost all of the Turtles through transformations so they didn't fight their signature way anymore.

I'd have far rather this show focused in on a more limited amount of characters and settings. There's a lot of stuff that was introduced that they just abandoned long-term, and I lay this abandonment at the feet of shoehorning in the sorts of plots that allowed them to throw in more villains of the week and dress the turtles up some how, so they could sell more toys. That might even have been an acceptable direction for me, except the Playmates toyline got worse and worse.

CyberCubed
10-06-2017, 06:49 PM
I'd have far rather this show focused in on a more limited amount of characters and settings. There's a lot of stuff that was introduced that they just abandoned long-term, and I lay this abandonment at the feet of shoehorning in the sorts of plots that allowed them to throw in more villains of the week and dress the turtles up some how, so they could sell more toys. That might even have been an acceptable direction for me, except the Playmates toyline got worse and worse.

What did they abandon? I don't know why people keep saying this. The only thing the writers purposely let go was de-mutating Mutagen Man, but they made references to him constantly and showed his container in the last episode at the bottom of the sludge pit. Obviously the writers felt Timmy should remain a tragic character because as a human he was stupid enough to want to become a mutant and made his own fate.

I'm in the process of rewatching the show right now and am in mid-Season 2 now, and even everything with April is more clearly explained then I remember it being. It helps watching these eps regularly rather than weeks/months apart. Pretty much every major villain had their character arc resolved or left on peaceful terms by the end of the season.

PApagreg
10-06-2017, 07:15 PM
What did they abandon? I don't know why people keep saying this. The only thing the writers purposely let go was de-mutating Mutagen Man, but they made references to him constantly and showed his container in the last episode at the bottom of the sludge pit. Obviously the writers felt Timmy should remain a tragic character because as a human he was stupid enough to want to become a mutant and made his own fate.
Well they kinda abandon things characters find important like April's history, Casey's family, Baxter Stockman, and Alopex

CyberCubed
10-06-2017, 07:46 PM
They explained most of April's history through various episodes. Watch, "The Kraang Conspiracy" from Season 2. April's parents were abducted by the Kraang and her mother was experimented on before she was born. Because of this April received some of the Kraang's telepathic powers and she developed them over the course of the series. Her mother died and April's father took her with them to escape from the Kraang. We see in the episode the Kraang create April clones just like they cloned April's mother, because they were trying to re-create the special hybrid April was but they failed each time. This is why they were trying to recapture her and her father.

They said April's DNA would help them perfect the mutagen to help them take over the Earth as well, since the mutagen was just turning people into monsters/animals instead of what they wanted. After that they just planned two invasions of Earth (the Season 1 and 2 finale's) and failed each time because of the Turtles. They were basically trying to change Earth into Dimension X. After that they just move on from April and still try to achieve their goals.

As for Casey's family...really? He said he has a sister and a father, what does it matter? We don't have to see them.

Baxter was resolved. He was demutated at the end of Season 4 and knocked out. We can imagine if he escaped the burning building at the end (who knows, he might have died :lol: ) he just went back to a normal life hence him not being in Season 5. I don't know why you'd bring this up.

Alopex could have gotten another episode, but I guess it's not a big deal. She's not a major character.

PApagreg
10-06-2017, 08:15 PM
They explained most of April's history through various episodes. Watch, "The Kraang Conspiracy" from Season 2. April's parents were abducted by the Kraang and her mother was experimented on before she was born. Because of this April received some of the Kraang's telepathic powers and she developed them over the course of the series. Her mother died and April's father took her with them to escape from the Kraang. We see in the episode the Kraang create April clones just like they cloned April's mother, because they were trying to re-create the special hybrid April was but they failed each time. This is why they were trying to recapture her and her father.They said April's DNA would help them perfect the mutagen to help them take over the Earth as well, since the mutagen was just turning people into monsters/animals instead of what they wanted. After that they just planned two invasions of Earth (the Season 1 and 2 finale's) and failed each time because of the Turtles. They were basically trying to change Earth into Dimension X. After that they just move on from April and still try to achieve their goals.

So where does the whole "Her mind is the center of the universe" come from, is that from the Kraang messing with her DNA, how does messing ones DNA make their mind the center of the universe. Also again are there more people like April's mom with this "unique DNA" and if so why don't the Kraang experiment on other people its not like they are impatient and if not why does April's mom have this unique DNA also again if the Kraang have been mutating human DNA since the dawn of humanity how come it took them this long to find a this unique "DNA".
As for Casey's family...really? He said he has a sister and a father, what does it matter? We don't have to see them
Because apparently that his motivation for fighting, its like making a Daredevil adaption and never introducing his dad

Baxter was resolved. He was demutated at the end of Season 4 and knocked out. We can imagine if he escaped the burning building at the end (who knows, he might have died :lol: ) he just went back to a normal life hence him not being in Season 5. I don't know why you'd bring this up.
Thats literally the opposite of resolved

Alopex could have gotten another episode, but I guess it's not a big deal. She's not a major character.

Again she was the sibling of the TigerClaw and cut off his tail which was one of Tigerclaw's motivation yet she only appears in one episode.And to add salt into the wound she was based on a major and popular character in the IDW franchise yet she only appears in one episode

CyberCubed
10-06-2017, 08:21 PM
So where does the whole "Her mind is the center of the universe" come from, is that from the Kraang messing with her DNA, how does messing ones DNA make their mind the center of the universe. Also again are there more people like April's mom with this "unique DNA" and if so why don't the Kraang experiment on other people its not like they are impatient and if not why does April's mom have this unique DNA also again if the Kraang have been mutating human DNA since the dawn of humanity how come it took them this long to find a this unique "DNA".

From what we've seen April was the only successful hybrid they created. I guess we'll never know why there weren't more humans like April, it's something the show never delved into. I don't think they literally meant her character was the "center of the universe" but that in our dimension she was the only character experiment that worked that had their power. Why do you think the Kraang continued their invasion of Earth without April? She was one of their plans to harvest their DNA, but not the only one.

Because apparently that his motivation for fighting, its like making a Daredevil adaption and never introducing his dad

It's literally just backstory. Casey said he had family to protect, that's all there is to it. It's like the people wondering why April's Aunt never appeared on-screen back in Season 1....lol.

Thats literally the opposite of resolved

Baxter's character literally was resolved that way. When Season 4 ended almost everyone agreed that if he didn't appear in Season 5 then that was his closure, and it turned out to be so. I don't know what you feel needed to happen with him. Characters don't need to either be literally killed off or just be done away with in some form. It's pretty obvious the writers intended that to be his final episode, they purposely didn't have him in Season 5's Kavaxas arc for that reason.

Again she was the sibling of the TigerClaw and cut off his tail which was one of Tigerclaw's motivation yet she only appears in one episode.And to add salt into the wound she was based on a major and popular character in the IDW franchise yet she only appears in one episode

Well I agree Alopex should have appeared again, but I'm not that broken up about it. I kinda did expect Tiger Claw/Alopex to get one more episode on screen before the show ended, but I guess not.

PApagreg
10-06-2017, 11:36 PM
From what we've seen April was the only successful hybrid they created. I guess we'll never know why there weren't more humans like April, it's something the show never delved into. I don't think they literally meant her character was the "center of the universe" but that in our dimension she was the only character experiment that worked that had their power. Why do you think the Kraang continued their invasion of Earth without April? She was one of their plans to harvest their DNA, but not the only one.
They literally said "Her mind is the center of the universe" thats too big of a plot point to not be explored or explained. As for the Kraang having other plans for harvasting DNA why didn't they do those other plans instead of spending 16 years searching for April. It feels like the turtles are fighting two different alien species one is a race of being who lived on Earth for over a millennia taking their time taking the earth and terraforming the planet and the other are basically the "waste no time destroying humans" type of aliens.


It's literally just backstory. Casey said he had family to protect, that's all there is to it. It's like the people wondering why April's Aunt never appeared on-screen back in Season 1....lol.

Okay you don't know what context is the difference between the two is that April mentioned her Aunt off key meanwhile Casey(and I'm going to put this in bold) said his motavation for fighting crime is the protect his family. If Casey mentioned his family in a more mundane manner I would't had brought it up



Baxter's character literally was resolved that way. When Season 4 ended almost everyone agreed that if he didn't appear in Season 5 then that was his closure, and it turned out to be so. I don't know what you feel needed to happen with him. Characters don't need to either be literally killed off or just be done away with in some form. It's pretty obvious the writers intended that to be his final episode, they purposely didn't have him in Season 5's Kavaxas arc for that reason.


Who was "everyone" you are the only person who see it that way.

CyberCubed
10-06-2017, 11:55 PM
They literally said "Her mind is the center of the universe" thats too big of a plot point to not be explored or explained. As for the Kraang having other plans for harvasting DNA why didn't they do those other plans instead of spending 16 years searching for April. It feels like the turtles are fighting two different alien species one is a race of being who lived on Earth for over a millennia taking their time taking the earth and terraforming the planet and the other are basically the "waste no time destroying humans" type of aliens.

April is just a human/Kraang hybrid who inherited the Kraang telepathic powers. They thought her DNA would stabilize the mutagen or however they wanted to terraform Earth into Dimension X. Yes, I agree there should have been more human/Kraang hybrids out there, but it's something the show never explored. Oh well.

Okay you don't know what context is the difference between the two is that April mentioned her Aunt off key meanwhile Casey(and I'm going to put this in bold) said his motavation for fighting crime is the protect his family. If Casey mentioned his family in a more mundane manner I would't had brought it up

Casey literally only mentioned his family once, in the episode he first met Raph and the other Turtles properly, didn't he? I don't understand why you keep trying to make some sort of plotline out of this. Casey wants to protect his family which is why he became a vigilante. There's no "story plot" about Casey's family. I find it bizarre I even have to say this, they don't have to literally show Casey's family if they're not important.

Who was "everyone" you are the only person who see it that way.

Dude, Baxter's character arc ended. Most people don't seem to care he wasn't in Season 5 because there's nothing else to do with his character. The writers didn't involve him in the Kavaxas arc for this reason.

He was de-mutated, Shredder is dead, all of Shredder's henchmen disbanded following the Kavaxas arc. They don't have to literally show him be killed off or go to jail to wrap him up.

Vicky82
10-07-2017, 02:30 AM
Who was "everyone" you are the only person who see it that way.

He's not the only person.

Baxter was turned back to human, he didn't need to appear again.

newfan
10-07-2017, 03:08 AM
He's not the only person.

Baxter was turned back to human, he didn't need to appear again.

Yeah, I can see that to some people were left wondering if he died in the fire or escaped to live out his life but I took that episode to be his closure too. I assumed he just went about his life.

CyberCubed
10-07-2017, 03:14 AM
Here's Baxter's closure:

Following the events of Shredder's demise, Baxter narrowly escaped the burning building with his life. Realizing his life had gone downhill ever since he followed a path of evil, Baxter decided to turn a new leaf and started a tech firm focusing on robotics to help the disabled with lost limbs. Baxter focused on making robotic arms and legs based on Kraang tech to help people with disabilities and became a billionaire. Baxter then realized he had a wonderful life and retired in peace until decades later he was hideously mutated by a mutagen bomb and then died.

The end.

ssjup81
10-07-2017, 12:16 PM
Yeah, I can see that to some people were left wondering if he died in the fire or escaped to live out his life but I took that episode to be his closure too. I assumed he just went about his life.
Personally, I think he was killed in the fire. It would've been difficult for him to escape in his demutated form, imo.

CyberCubed
10-07-2017, 06:12 PM
BTW, why do people not considered Spiderbitez wrapped up? He was never really a villain. As a human he's just a normal old guy, and then he attacks them in his first episode because he was angry he became mutated.

In his second episode in "Metalhead Re-wired" in Season 2 he was running away from the Kraang because they were capturing mutants. Then when the Turtles break into the Kraang facility, he fights alongside them destroying Kraang droids and escapes.

I think the only time we ever see him again after that is in Mondo Gecko's debut episode, standing in the background cheering with the other mutants. Then...that's it. I'm not sure what else needed to be done with him. He's not a villain, he just lives his life as a mutant.

Metalwolf
10-08-2017, 09:12 AM
Because to properly 'wrap him up' he should have been dealt with properly (like death or demutation) instead of just dropped. It just makes the Turtles look irresponsible that the they failed to properly keep tabs on or keep after all of these dangerous mutants they helped 'create.' Even though we don't keep seeing them, it doesn't mean the mutants aren't a danger to people (like what Snakeweed was doing) and there should've been a big clue that just fighting them isn't working, especially if they keep coming back.

CyberCubed
10-08-2017, 11:40 AM
I think a lot of people for some reason wrongly assumed every mutant was going to be demutated or something, I have no idea why. This never happens in any other incarnation. Spiderbitez never attacked humans or people in canon...he's not Snakeweed, so I don't think they needed to do anything with him. He should have joined the Mutanimals at some point.

GoldMutant
10-08-2017, 01:05 PM
I think a lot of people for some reason wrongly assumed every mutant was going to be demutated or something, I have no idea why.

Oh, the irony. Especially because you yourself said that before now.

CyberCubed
10-08-2017, 01:54 PM
I never thought every mutant was going to be de-mutated at all. I assumed it was going to happen with Mutagen Man (but they let him die), and Karai before she regained control of her snake form.

When the show was airing of course we all speculated about a lot of mutants getting de-mutated, people even thought it might happen with Bradford and Xever before the Season 4 finale, but it doesn't mean it had to happen.

GoldMutant
10-08-2017, 02:09 PM
I never thought every mutant was going to be de-mutated at all. I assumed it was going to happen with Mutagen Man (but they let him die), and Karai before she regained control of her snake form.

When the show was airing of course we all speculated about a lot of mutants getting de-mutated, people even thought it might happen with Bradford and Xever before the Season 4 finale, but it doesn't mean it had to happen.

Maybe I was a bit overzealous earlier, but you did mention something a while back, Cube. If I recall, something akin to the end of Good Genes with the Turtles using a plane or helicopter to cure a portion or almost all of them. I don't recall the exact phrasing, but that was a while ago.

Still need to see this finale for myself before I make judgment on disappointment, but I think going through the arcs I'm missing before it would be better.

CyberCubed
10-08-2017, 02:14 PM
I did speculate that of course, but not as a definite.. Most of the "monster" mutants were either destroyed or done away with, the other mutants are intelligent or allies so it's not like they would be going around killing people.