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ThirdMarioBro
04-13-2004, 12:11 AM
Well, Nintendo has revealed what some of their plans for the future are, and have admitted to their mistakes in a HUGE Gamespy article. If you have time and patience or are a Nintendo fan, then read ahead, because good times are coming.

*prepares poor clipboard for a monster copy paste*


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Iwata Tells All, Proposes GCNext

In conducting research for a new book on the gaming industry, Steven Kent (of Newsweek/MSNBC) has just released a lengthy article on Nintendo focusing on President Satoru Iwata-san. GameSpy is publishing Kent's reports in a series of specials that are certainly worth checking out.
Among other things said in the interview, Iwata-san (and primarily for the sake of illustration, mind you) asked Kent to consider their next console the GCNext, or GCN for short. [Editor's note: Obviously, this raises a bit of a dilemma for us fansite writers as the new acronym is identical to the official GameCube one.] This select mention makes GCNext the closest thing we have to an official project name at this time (barring third party documentation tossed around months ago).
Iwata-san shared the following key points of his business philosophy:
A portable GameCube/Game Boy hybrid system, while a fun concept, would not be considered by Nintendo until the price, weight, and battery life were low enough to make it appropriate to bring to market.
Sony and Microsoft have been much more formidable competition for Nintendo than companies founded on gaming (e.g. Sega) ever were. Iwata-san admitted that the GameCube's mediocre performance relative to the other consoles has resulted in a decline of profitability.
He asserted that as long as people play games on TVs, and as long as Nintendo's software development is top-notch, Nintendo would continue to make money off its current business model of producing its own hardware.
Microsoft is only concerned on releasing a technologically "beefed-up" version of its console, whereas Nintendo hopes to focus on making the process of game development easier and cheaper with its next machine. (This line is very similar with what was said during the GameCube's development as well.)
On the topic of the growing adult market of game players and its immediate effect on Nintendo's revenues: "To answer your question, in the short term, there is some impact [from Nintendo's inability to reach older audiences]; but in the long term, I think it is most important for Nintendo to reach the widest variety of customers. That is our main emphasis right now, and it will be in the future as well." Again, the company line hasn't changed radically from years' past.
Third party support, while once a way for console makers to line their pockets with licensing fees, are now crucial to a console's success. Iwata-san reiterated Nintendo's dedication to building relationships with established third parties (though so far they have primarily been exclusively Japanese) with collaborations like F-Zero GX and Donkey Konga
As opposed to Sony, who is trying to develop new semiconductor technology for its game systems that no one knows how to program for, Nintendo would be best off cooperating with and investing in the best hardware available and thus already familiar to designers and programmers.
Nestled into the third page of the story was Iwata-san finally gives us something to call what up until now has colloquially referred to as N5:
"Nintendo is working on its next-generation system. Allow me to call it GCNext or GCN. The abilities of GCNext will be different from what you have seen from consoles in the past. What Nintendo is currently discussing is not about state-of-the-art technology for enhancing processing power. But what I, Miyamoto, and Mr. Takeda [engineering leader Genyo Takeda] are discussing is what should be done to entertain people in a new way; and in order to achieve this, what functionality must be added to our current technology."
Perhaps the most important quote in the article was Iwata's closing concession that while inexpensive and easy to develop games for, GameCube did not succeed because PS2 beat it to market.
"I think that its biggest shortcoming was that we were late in launching it," says Iwata. "Because of that delay, our competitors were able to create a large install base for their consoles. Even though it was easier for software developers to create games for GameCube, because of the delay, the developers had a chance to learn more about our competitors' machines. In the end, we could not match that advantage."
Iwata-san promised that next time around, Nintendo would launch "GCNext" alongside its competition to prevent the same problems GameCube has faced in the market. (js)
Nintendo's New Direction
Nintendo President Satoru Iwata discusses what's gone wrong, what's gone right, and why Nintendo will end up on top.
By Steven L. Kent | Apr. 11, 2004


Nintendo does not open the doors of its gleaming white Kyoto tower to the press very often, so when Nintendo Company Ltd. President Satoru Iwata agreed to meet with GameSpy last month, it was an invitation that could not be refused.

Nintendo stands at a significant crossroads. While GameCube is still the number two console in Japan, it has dropped to third place in the North American and European markets. Game Boy Advance is the unrivalled leader in the portable market, but Nintendo will face a strong challenge in the form of the Sony PSP in 2005.


During his meeting with GameSpy, Iwata-san was candid about his company's current situation, mistakes his company has made, and why he believes Nintendo will still end up on top.

One of the first topics of conversation was Sony's PSP. With its high-resolution screen and packed with processing power, PSP has the look of a genuine Game Boy killer. The response to PSP seems obvious -- a Game Boy Advance/GameCube hybrid that can play both GBA cartridges and GameCube discs.

This response is so obvious, in fact, that some joker created a seriously believable mock-up of a prototype device called "Game Boy Enhanced" and showed it on the Internet. Talk about your clever hoaxes, even people at Nintendo wanted to believe it.

So why not make a Game Boy Enhanced?

"Some time in the future we may be able to combine the technologies of Game Boy and GameCube in a unit that will be small and light with a long enough battery life and a low enough price for the market," Iwata said. "We [will] need to find a reasonable balance between the high-functionality and the other requisite features in a portable system.

"Timing is very important. Even if there are new technologies that will make portable games more fun to play, if the price is too high or the other requisites are not met, we say it is premature."

History agrees in this case. Shortly after Nintendo launched Game Boy in 1989, Atari launched Lynx. Lynx had higher-resolution graphics and a back-lit color screen. It also retailed for more than twice the price of Game Boy, burned through batteries at five times the speed, and had a smaller library.

Lynx died quickly and was followed by Game Gear, TurboExpress, game.com, Wonder Swan, Neo Geo Pocket, Nomad, and most recently Zodiac and N-Gage. All of these units (except maybe game.com) have had some form of technological advantage over Game Boy. None of these systems managed to cut into Game Boy's sales.

Along those same lines, Nintendo stands accused of letting the console market slip through its hands. Sony waltzed into the market in 1995, one full decade after Nintendo launched the NES in the United States, and walked off with 66 percent of the market. Now Microsoft has snatched away another 15 percent of the Western markets. And the latest rumor is that Nintendo may not even launch another game console in the future.


"In the past, Nintendo competed with SEGA, another gaming company," says Iwata. "Now our competitors are Sony and Microsoft, companies that do not have games at the core of their business. I must admit, the competition is tougher than ever before; and in the short run, we have seen declining profitability.

"At least in the near-term, as long as people are playing games on televisions and we can create the best games to be played over televisions, we will benefit by creating hardware."

So how will they compete with the biggest name in electronics and the wealthiest corporation in history?

"When it comes to the philosophy of making hardware, our philosophy is completely different than the direction Microsoft is taking," says Iwata. "I think they are simply looking toward beefed up technology for the next-generation console. And from the developers' and programmers' point of view, that kind of machine will be very difficult to work with. In the end, there will not be a sufficient reward in exchange for the hardships they will need to endure.

"That should create an opportunity for Nintendo because we are trying to make unique hardware -- not just a beefed-up version of GameCube, but something that will be easy to program. In the long run, that will make game development on our new system more profitable."

That might well be profitable in the long run, but from a short-term view. In the here and now, Microsoft and Sony are tearing up the ever-growing young adult market and leaving only the scraps of the dwindling kids market in their wake. Asked about this, Iwata shows that he is not ducking the hard questions.

"Our competitors are always saying that Nintendo is just for children. To counter that, what we really need to do is explain to customers and potential customers [that we do not just make games for kids]," says Iwata.

"I think that the shift from Game Boy Advance to Game Boy Advance SP has attracted more and more young adults to play with the Game Boy product line.

"To answer your question, in the short term, there is some impact [from Nintendo's inability to reach older audiences]; but in the long term, I think it is most important for Nintendo to reach the widest variety of customers. That is our main emphasis right now, and it will be in the future as well."

And that brings the conversation back around to consoles and what Nintendo has planned for the next generation. Asked how Nintendo goes about creating a new console, Iwata contrasted Nintendo's philosophy with Sony's.

"In the world of gaming, if you are going to only purchase hardware, you will not enjoy yourself at all. It is our assumption that it is the software that provides the sensational experiences, and that [the games] are the only reason to buy the hardware," says Iwata.

"So, from the viewpoint of the software creators, their favorite new hardware will be the console that will enable them to make their dreams come true. That is true for the customers as well.

"Once we can identify these unique points [features], we can begin thinking about which partners we should take for their technology and know-how. Past generations [of consoles] have been measured by functionality such as computer graphics technology, processing speed, and power. It was as simple as that.

"To put it another way, before the launch of PlayStation 2 and GameCube, game creators mostly cared about working on the most powerful machines so that they could make games more attractive. But, if you ask me, if the situation will stay the same in the next generation, [both] Mr. Miyamoto [Shigeru Miyamoto, creator of the Mario and Zelda games] and I really doubt it.

"With the next generation of consoles, if the only thing they have is ten times the functionality [meaning processing power and improved graphics], I don't think people will be able to tell them apart from this existing generation. In the end, if the next generation of consoles only represents beefed-up technology, there will not be much of a future.

"Nintendo is working on its next-generation system. Allow me to call it GCNext or GCN. The abilities of GCNext will be different from what you have seen from consoles in the past. What Nintendo is currently discussing is not about state-of-the-art technology for enhancing processing power. But what I, Miyamoto, and Mr. Takeda [engineering leader Genyo Takeda] are discussing is what should be done to entertain people in a new way; and in order to achieve this, what functionality must be added to our current technology.

"Please understand, I am not saying that technology is unimportant. I understand that technology is important. But if we are just focusing on technology and investing in an IT manufacturing plant to come up with higher performance processing [chips], we will not succeed."

And here Nintendo highlights a well-tapped resource. The best-selling games for PlayStation 2 and Xbox may come from outside publishers, but Nintendo's in-house games still rule on GameCube.

When discussing the future, Mr. Iwata often mentions meetings that he holds with Genyo Takeda and Shigeru Miyamoto. Asked if he weighs their opinions equally, Iwata gives the right answer.

"When Mr. Takeda was working on the GameCube, he stated that they [his team] were making the hardware strictly to support the software. In other words, Mr. Miyamoto's group and the people who create the software are more important. I think this is a unique feature of Nintendo's structure."

So Iwata says that the games are the most important thing? Agreed. But in this market, no company, not even Nintendo, can float a platform on its own. Sony and Microsoft have worked hard to create good relationships with third-party publishers. Nintendo, on the other hand, has a predatory reputation in this area.

"In the past, our third-party relations were quite different," Iwata admits. "These are companies that look around, and if they think that Nintendo has created a lucrative market through its efforts and investments, they enter it. That was our view of third-party companies in the past.

"Now we take a different view. We are more willing to cooperate with third-party companies. They are thinking in terms of development efficiency and maximizing the appeal of their products. Sometimes we license our characters to these third-party companies so that our characters become guest characters in their games.

"We are also actively working with Sega, Namco, and Konami to create software. For a platform to succeed, it must have a wide variety of different kinds of software available. In the future, I believe, it will be even more important for us to work with third-party companies."

Iwata holds "F-Zero," a co-creation of Nintendo and Sega's Amusement Vision studio, as a good example of Nintendo's new open-door policy. Namco, which teamed up with Nintendo to create "Donkey Konga," has openly applauded Nintendo for its new partnerships.

But Nintendo's new open-door policy has its limits. Mr. Iwata did not want to discuss what new abilities or technologies might be found in its upcoming DS and GCNext systems. In his view, Nintendo must drop out of the race for the most processing power. It must rely on strong technology partners for developing hardware and provide an easy environment for its software partners.

We are going in a different direction than Sony. We believe that other companies are already investing in state-of-the-art semiconductor development, says Iwata. "Nintendo is not actually trying to create a state-of-the-art technology that is not known to the world. We are reviewing technologies that are in the early stages of development [by other companies]. Nintendo should be able to find the optimal solution to make the best possible hardware by cooperating with several partners.

According to Iwata, the technological jump from the current generation of consoles to the next will be so incremental that most consumers will hardly notice the difference. Perhaps he is correct, but he is hedging his bets.

Even after losing more than two-thirds of the console market to competitors, Nintendo has managed to stay profitable. Letting good technological partners bear the brunt of manufacturing chips is the best way to cut costs and maintain power. Providing an easy-to-use programming environment is the way to attract game developers

But GameCube, which featured ATI graphics technology and an IBM processor, was both easy to program and inexpensive to build. What went wrong?

"I think that its biggest shortcoming was that we were late in launching it," says Iwata. "Because of that delay, our competitors were able to create a large install base for their consoles. Even though it was easier for software developers to create games for GameCube, because of the delay, the developers had a chance to learn more about our competitors' machines. In the end, we could not match that advantage."

Indeed, while Nintendo would have been unlikely to unseat Sony had GameCube come out on time, the company would be in a far better situation. Asked if Nintendo will come to the party on time next time around, Iwata assured GameSpy that next time it will.

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Well, there you have it, stright from the ThirdMarioBro Copy Paste News (poor clipboard). E3 is gonna rock a whole lot more than last year. sony will sell on their "coolness", and Nintendo will have the games, which is all that matters. Game Boy will rule the day regardless of Sony's loud mouth statements. No one can beat a 20 Million user base. Game Gear, Nomad, Wonder Swan, and the others had batter make room in that grave. The industry really needs innovation to stay alive, because the same ole crap isn't gonna cut it forever. Nintendo seems to be the only ones who try to innovate while the other two rip them off. Yeah Nintendo has done that some too, but not to their extent. My point is that if Nintendo ever fell, Sony and Microsoft would run rampant for awhile, but after consumers get tired of buying the same system over and over, and playing the same games over and over, Sony & Microsoft would need something new. And there wouldn't be anything left to copy. The industry really needs Nintendo, and without them, it would eventually fall.

OK, I'm done ranting

really.......

I can't help it....

NINTENDO WILL KICK A**




Oh shut up.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Voltron
04-13-2004, 06:31 AM
My onlt problem with nintendo is that I can't stand the GC's controller.

Tigershard
04-13-2004, 07:13 AM
I prefer the GC controller over the PS2 controller.

I like the Gamecube. I think it is a great system. Most people are still under the impression that the GC is a kiddie system. Yeah, games like Mario Party and such may look kiddie on the outside but they are extremely fun to play and attracts people of all ages.

tOkKa
04-13-2004, 07:34 AM
-->> gee.. whizz.. that was the longest post ever!!

Bourgeois Buffoon
04-13-2004, 08:32 AM
Nintendo's kinda my one hope too. I grew up with it, obviously, but it still seemed to have the soul that Sony and Microsoft lacked. Not to mention it actually does more than just graphics.

MW8979
04-13-2004, 09:11 AM
Sounds promising, but it's just promotion right now. I'll believe its superiority when it's released. But if Nintendo doesn't shape up soon, Sony and Microsoft really will trample it into the ground.

Taloniss
04-13-2004, 09:13 AM
I'm not optomistic about Nintendo's next console. Hopefully they can surprise me, but I'm looking forward to the PS3 more.

Nintendo needs to get it's third party support back, design a good controller and get a killer launch set up w/ a Mario game. Launch's are important and the Gamecube had a poor one and it's been struggling ever since, until the price drop, but I think Nintendo is losing money on every console now, so that's not good.

If the next console fails, I think Nintendo should just concentrate on handheld gaming and make games for the other consoles.

04-13-2004, 09:26 AM
They just better pull something huge off next console, or else I have lost all faith in them. I'd sooner buy Xbox games than their stuff.

Brodie
04-13-2004, 09:33 AM
I prefer the GC controller over the PS2 controller.

I like the Gamecube. I think it is a great system. Most people are still under the impression that the GC is a kiddie system. Yeah, games like Mario Party and such may look kiddie on the outside but they are extremely fun to play and attracts people of all ages.

Yeah, but its far from a kiddie system with exclusives like RE the remake, and Zer0, and coming...RE4

Dr. Doom
04-13-2004, 10:47 AM
Twin Snakes, baby!

Taloniss
04-13-2004, 11:24 AM
I couldn't stand Twin Snakes controls. The Gamecube's controller is so unsuited to Metal Gear. I much prefer the PS2 controller.

Dr. Doom
04-13-2004, 11:34 AM
Again, I'm sure this has already been stated, but it depends what yer used to. There's a time when I'd've agreed with you, but I got used to the Gamecube controller from playing Soul Calibur II, and now I prefer it. Twin Snakes did take a wee bit of getting used to, but now I'll prolly be confused as all hell next time I play Sons Of Liberty.

Kid Icarus
04-13-2004, 11:53 AM
I've read that article. As long as they keep the technology up there, AND add in what ever inovations they've got cooking up, all should be well. And yes, the PSP is near doomed. Sure, it's tech specs are higher. As the article says, the Gameboy brand's sunk every hand held that's been tossed at it, and they've all had more advanced technology. And with a price tag of $400+ bucks on the PSP, do you REALLY think anyone's gonna want one?

I'm excited to see the DS, or what ever it's final name will be. The 30+ games at E3 for it should shut up the "OMG!!!1!! Virtual Boy2!!!1!!1" people.

I'm also curious as to what the GC add-on's gonna be (gotta stop calling it GCN now apparently XD). It's also nice to hear Iwata state AGAIN that Nintendo is working on it's next machine. It's amazing how many people still think Ninty's gonna drop outta the console race, despite Iwata stating again and again that the new machine's on it's way.

I prefer the GC controller over the PS2 controller. You mean the Super Nintendo controller with handles, don't you? :lol: And yes, the GC controller's nice. The handles actually fit the shape of your hand, instead of being squished flat. My only complaint with it is the 'Z' button.

Brodie - You're forgetting quite a few there buddy... like some second party games... Eternal Darkness, Metroid Prime (1 and 2), Geist, Too Human, Silicon Knights 'secret project' (could just be Too Human though). Plus, I think someone who can play a 'kiddie' game is more mature than someone who has to be mach and play some gorefest.

Taloniss - Nintendo will NEVER stop making consoles. And if they do, they've said (both Yamauchi AND Iwata have said this), Nintendo will not be in the videogame market anymore. And the PS3 is going to use brand new technology that developers are going to have to learn inside and out before they can make any use of it. Nintendo is looking to use existing technology and make it better, so developers already know how to work it. My guess as to what they'll use? ATI graphics card, and a G5 processor (made by IBM, who made the Gecko chip in GC ;) ). Add in the same kind of archetecture set up as GC (ONE board), and it'll be easy to design around.

Dr. Doom. - Yes. Twin Snakes. *foams at mouth*. I still haven't beaten it yet. Just got done fighting the ninja though... that was fun.

ThirdMarioBro
04-13-2004, 11:55 AM
I'm not optomistic about Nintendo's next console. Hopefully they can surprise me, but I'm looking forward to the PS3 more.

Nintendo needs to get it's third party support back, design a good controller and get a killer launch set up w/ a Mario game. Launch's are important and the Gamecube had a poor one and it's been struggling ever since, until the price drop, but I think Nintendo is losing money on every console now, so that's not good.

If the next console fails, I think Nintendo should just concentrate on handheld gaming and make games for the other consoles.

Geez, don't talk like that. The day they go third party is the day the industry collapses. Look at poor Sega. They've been fighting for survival ever since they jumped out of the console market. Now Sammy is trying to destroy the company, and all the developers are leaving. Yuji Naka and Sonic Team are considering leaving if it gets any worse, and if they do, a legal battle for Sonic is gonna stir up all kinds of hell. I'm praying they can fix this, or else we'll see the death of Sega *cries*. At least they can't take away my F-Zero GX. The point is, if Nintendo went third party, they're stock would drop as investors pulled out, and they would be left in Sega's position, then someone.........God I have a hard time talking like this.......someone like Microsoft would try to buy them out, and force them to make crappy Xbox games. The industry would go stale, and eventually die. It's my belief that this is the year that will decide the future of the industry. This year's E3 will be the begenning. That's why everything has been so slow so lately. Everyone's gearing up for it. Nintendo has one whole Christmas to themselves to market the DS/Nitro before the PSP comes out in Spring. If they fail, it's only gonna go downhill from there. I'm preordering that thing the day it becomes available to. We need Nintendo. Believe me, the other guys would seem a whole lot less appealing without them. They balance everything out, and keep a safe plave in the gaming industry for people who don't want to play crap like True Crime Streets of LA *up-chucks*.
Ninendo is the heart and soul of the industry. Sega is like the arms of the industrry, a person can live without their arms, but it would hurt like hell in Summer in Nevada. I pray they survive the Sammy crap......I pray Sonic survives it. Nintendo needs to get off it's butt and Miyamoto needs to release Super Mario 128. Mario could pull them out of any mess, as he has in the past. Hopefully we'll all be playing with Power forever, cuz if the power dies, video ames will die.

Kid Icarus
04-13-2004, 12:00 PM
Yep. Or, Nintendo pulls out and lets Sony and Microsoft kill themselves off, then comes out with another NES-level system and rebirths the market... again.

Nintendo should have just bought Sega when they had the chance.

Meeko
04-13-2004, 12:02 PM
:o thats a big post and im WAY too lazy to read it all
actually im in Geography class and Im supposed to be working on my asia Project

Relay
04-13-2004, 12:03 PM
Although I don't own a Game Cube I still do not want to see Nintendo sink into the ground. I, like many people, grew up with Nintendo. The video game industry just wouldn't be the same without it. I have a PS2 and am in the market for an Xbox, but I still think Game Cube is a good system with good games even though I don't own one. Hopefully, all the competition between the 3 systems out there now will force each company to produce better next generation systems that people will buy. I saw that Nintendo has a good chance at making a comeback. They've been the leader among video game systems before, so why can't they do it again? Long live Nintendo!!!

ThirdMarioBro
04-13-2004, 12:07 PM
Brodie - You're forgetting quite a few there buddy... like some second party games... Eternal Darkness, Metroid Prime (1 and 2), Geist, Too Human, Silicon Knights 'secret project' (could just be Too Human though). Plus, I think someone who can play a 'kiddie' game is more mature than someone who has to be mach and play some gorefest.



Thank you. They're rated "E" for "Everyone" not just kids. There is no such thing as kiddy, so people should just stop it. I'm fine with the fact that a lot of people like gorey games, I just don't....but Glodeneye was fun. Maybe the sequel won't suck. Anyway, the PS2 controller is a dead SNES rippoff. That's what I mean about them stealing every good thing Nintendo makes. Nintendo should have just bought Sega.

Well, I'm going to town now. I'll rant again before I go to bed.

Kid Icarus
04-13-2004, 12:08 PM
:o thats a big post and im WAY too lazy to read it all
actually im in Geography class and Im supposed to be working on my asia Project Hey, Nintendo's a big part of Asia... at least Japan ;).

Kid Icarus
04-13-2004, 12:10 PM
Although I don't own a Game Cube I still do not want to see Nintendo sink into the ground. I, like many people, grew up with Nintendo. The video game industry just wouldn't be the same without it. I have a PS2 and am in the market for an Xbox, but I still think Game Cube is a good system with good games even though I don't own one. Hopefully, all the competition between the 3 systems out there now will force each company to produce better next generation systems that people will buy. I saw that Nintendo has a good chance at making a comeback. They've been the leader among video game systems before, so why can't they do it again? Long live Nintendo!!! Well, if you add up all of their console sales, not just GC, but GC and GBA and the GBASP, they are thrashing Sony and Microsoft. So, technicaly, they ARE on top right now. Not to mention they were last years #1 publisher, and continue to win awards regularly.

Taloniss
04-13-2004, 01:55 PM
I highly doubt the industry would die without Nintedo. Video games are a billion dollar business, and Sony and Microsoft are a large part of that figure. Nintendo is too, but it's not like it's the only thing saving the industry from becoming bankrupt.

And, Nintendo is spitting out the same stuff over and over as well. They're have been at least 5 Pokemon games (all basically the same game) and they keep releasing ports or remakes, that, granted, are of classic games, but it's still the same thing as 15 years ago. Where's the innovation in that?

The other companies are trying new things as well, Sony is has the eye toy (it will come with PS3) and X-box is doing well with Online play with X-box live. Online could be a big market for Nintendo (Mario Kart over the net? Damn straight that'd own. Pokemon battles against anyone? That'd be good) but they don't seem to realise it yet.


Anyway, the PS2 controller is a dead SNES rippoff.

Who cares? It works fine, and it's alot more comfortable for me (and all my friends) then the Gamecube controller. Why mess with a controller that works?

I don't want Nintedo to die, I really don't. I've owned every one of their systems (minus Virtual Boy, but I thought that was stupid even when I was a kid and it looked like it'd be hard to play without straining your neck) and I enjoy their first person titles, but I think Sony and Microsoft are doing good things as well. That's why I own all four systems.

Dr. Doom
04-13-2004, 01:59 PM
Regardless of what happens with their consoles, I'm confident that Nintendo will always have a strong position in the handheld gaming market.

MW8979
04-13-2004, 02:34 PM
If Nintendo didn't go all soft in 96 when they released N64, they wouldn't be in this mess right now. Companies like Squaresoft, Capcom and Konami would be making plenty of games for them and they could maintain their reputation. But the fact that they decided to introduce this whole "minimal violence" theme to their system is what let them down. This is exactly why I bought a PS then and not N64. All the good game series left Nintendo and went on to Sony who had no rules about what kind of games they'd market. If Nintendo wants to become equal again, they need to do exactly the same thing - eliminate their high censorship standards. It's rather ironic how their hendheld games manage to be quite good and yet their console games suck lately. And on the question of their disappearance - it probably won't happen. If anything, Nintendo will eventually disappear in a financially beneficial merger with another company. And if it does suddently go away, then sure there will be a big void to fill, but I think Sony and Microsoft will compensate for that just fine. All they have to do is produce more unoriginal games, and people will buy them just because they're there. Sure, older fans might turn away, but a new generation of kids won't give two ***** about "the good old days". So I figure that the game industry will keep thriving anyway, it's just that eventually it will become morphed into something completely different from today.

Taloniss
04-13-2004, 02:50 PM
You know what would own? Mario Party Online. Oh, the fun that would be had.

ThirdMarioBro
04-13-2004, 02:56 PM
If Nintendo didn't go all soft in 96 when they released N64, they wouldn't be in this mess right now. Companies like Squaresoft, Capcom and Konami would be making plenty of games for them and they could maintain their reputation. But the fact that they decided to introduce this whole "minimal violence" theme to their system is what let them down. This is exactly why I bought a PS then and not N64. All the good game series left Nintendo and went on to Sony who had no rules about what kind of games they'd market. If Nintendo wants to become equal again, they need to do exactly the same thing - eliminate their high censorship standards. It's rather ironic how their hendheld games manage to be quite good and yet their console games suck lately. And on the question of their disappearance - it probably won't happen. If anything, Nintendo will eventually disappear in a financially beneficial merger with another company. And if it does suddently go away, then sure there will be a big void to fill, but I think Sony and Microsoft will compensate for that just fine. All they have to do is produce more unoriginal games, and people will buy them just because they're there. Sure, older fans might turn away, but a new generation of kids won't give two ***** about "the good old days". So I figure that the game industry will keep thriving anyway, it's just that eventually it will become morphed into something completely different from today.

Something completely different, and complately *****y. Sony & Microsoft only upgrade their systems. They never do anything "really" innovative. They just add more power and slap a little more blood in their games to stir up conterversy. Online games are all the rage at the moment, but eventually people are going to get sick of Halo and it's many clones, and Sony/Squaresoft making people pay $99 for a hard drive before you get to play online Final Fantasy on top of a monthly fee. The will have that kind of stuff out of the box for free. It won't have long range, but who cares.

I'm just saying that Sony & Microsoft's games are just clones of something that's been done before with a little blood thrown on for good measure, or sports titles. The one thing that they will never have are Nintendo's franchises. They have bookloads of loyality in that department. Blinx and Conker will never be Mario and Sonic, and they realise that. Ratchet and Clank will never be Banjo & Kazooie, Jax will never be Link, and so on and so on. The PSP will sell, but not on the Game Boy's scale.

I think NIntendo is going to fight hard and win back a lot of lost ground in the next generation.

Kid Icarus
04-13-2004, 03:00 PM
If Nintendo didn't go all soft in 96 when they released N64, they wouldn't be in this mess right now. Companies like Squaresoft, Capcom and Konami would be making plenty of games for them and they could maintain their reputation. But the fact that they decided to introduce this whole "minimal violence" theme to their system is what let them down. This is exactly why I bought a PS then and not N64. All the good game series left Nintendo and went on to Sony who had no rules about what kind of games they'd market. If Nintendo wants to become equal again, they need to do exactly the same thing - eliminate their high censorship standards. It's rather ironic how their hendheld games manage to be quite good and yet their console games suck lately. And on the question of their disappearance - it probably won't happen. If anything, Nintendo will eventually disappear in a financially beneficial merger with another company. And if it does suddently go away, then sure there will be a big void to fill, but I think Sony and Microsoft will compensate for that just fine. All they have to do is produce more unoriginal games, and people will buy them just because they're there. Sure, older fans might turn away, but a new generation of kids won't give two ***** about "the good old days". So I figure that the game industry will keep thriving anyway, it's just that eventually it will become morphed into something completely different from today. And it seems that Sony's marketing's gotten to you too... Luckly, you're around people who know the facts.

1) Nintendo NEVER said what games could and could not go on their system. That was the 3rd parties choice. Keep in mind that Resident Evil DID go on the N64, and that Silicon Knights Eternal Darkness was originally a N64 title, both VERY "mature" games.

2) And yes, the game industry would begin to collapse. Nintendo might release upgrades or ports, yes, but they also create fully original software at the same time. Pikmin, Wario Ware, the e-Reader, Mario and Luigi: Super Star Saga, Fire Emblem, Super Smash Bros., Eternal Darkness, Metroid Prime.... I could type this all day.

Also, Microsoft's Live service isn't doing as well as they'd have you belive... only 23% of X-Box gamers are online. TWENTY THREE percent. And yes, Nintendo IS working on an online network. The GBA is going to have a big mofo LAN deal if you live around stores when Pokemon Fire/Leaf (more games are supporting the wireless adapter too, not just Pokemon), and I think they're just perfecting this technology so you'll have FREE online gaming.

And Sony's Eye Toy? Gameboy Camera ring a bell? Webcams? I've been doing what Eye Toy's doing on PS2 ever since I got my computer a good 4 years ago. Eye Toy is the most gimmicky thing I have ever seen, peroid.

One more point... Squaresoft and Capcom ARE making plenty of games for them now... and so is Namco (Soul Calibur 2 sold the best on Gamecube, btw). Infact, Nintendo financed the set up of a new stuido for Square, and Capcom has been one of their closest developers this generation (RE4, Viewtiful Joe, Killer 7, PNO 3, and Dead Phoenix, along with the REmakes and an exclusive Mega Man game).

Demonfox38
04-13-2004, 03:05 PM
I'm going to be honest: I love Nintendo. Always have, always will. It's the ONLY company system I play with. I don't even have a freaking Sega, that's how obsessed I am. Just thought I'd make it clear that I am overly biased in the Video Game area.

I think that there are some games that Nintendo has made that proves that they are definately not all kiddie. Metroid Prime, anyone? (That games scares the living daylights out of my boyfriend . . . :P ) They are starting to get a little more adult-oriented with their games, a good example being F-Zero GC. Hell, they're starting to bring over Japan series, like Fire Emblem and Custom Robo. It's great to see those games in English.

I have had only one thing to kick on any GCN game, and that is probably the graphics on Zelda: WW. Sure, it's a marvelous, deep, game, but somehow the legend seems to deteriorate with someone is giving you chibi-anime expressions.

I am extremely excited about E3 this year! Here's watching for WW2, Paper Mario 2, Star Fox Armada, Metroid Prime 2, and Fire Emblem. I hope they fixed Fox McCloud's graphics . . . :embarass:

Peanut
04-13-2004, 03:12 PM
Seriously when all the new systems come out...I'm only buying Nintendo. I regret the day I ever bought my PS2 which has become a dvd player/dust collector since Kingdom Hearts. X-Box I was playing lots of but only because I owned NHL2k3 for it. I'd probably still be playing it...IF IT HADN'T BROKE! What the hell kind of product are you making when the damn thing just stops working after just about 2 years? A sh*t one that's what! GCN is the only system I feel I haven't been ripped off buying.

Dr. Doom
04-13-2004, 03:22 PM
Sony raped us all of our money by manufacturing a system that breaks down after 2 years.

ThirdMarioBro
04-13-2004, 03:44 PM
If Nintendo didn't go all soft in 96 when they released N64, they wouldn't be in this mess right now. Companies like Squaresoft, Capcom and Konami would be making plenty of games for them and they could maintain their reputation. But the fact that they decided to introduce this whole "minimal violence" theme to their system is what let them down. This is exactly why I bought a PS then and not N64. All the good game series left Nintendo and went on to Sony who had no rules about what kind of games they'd market. If Nintendo wants to become equal again, they need to do exactly the same thing - eliminate their high censorship standards. It's rather ironic how their hendheld games manage to be quite good and yet their console games suck lately. And on the question of their disappearance - it probably won't happen. If anything, Nintendo will eventually disappear in a financially beneficial merger with another company. And if it does suddently go away, then sure there will be a big void to fill, but I think Sony and Microsoft will compensate for that just fine. All they have to do is produce more unoriginal games, and people will buy them just because they're there. Sure, older fans might turn away, but a new generation of kids won't give two ***** about "the good old days". So I figure that the game industry will keep thriving anyway, it's just that eventually it will become morphed into something completely different from today. And it seems that Sony's marketing's gotten to you too... Luckly, you're around people who know the facts.

1) Nintendo NEVER said what games could and could not go on their system. That was the 3rd parties choice. Keep in mind that Resident Evil DID go on the N64, and that Silicon Knights Eternal Darkness was originally a N64 title, both VERY "mature" games.

2) And yes, the game industry would begin to collapse. Nintendo might release upgrades or ports, yes, but they also create fully original software at the same time. Pikmin, Wario Ware, the e-Reader, Mario and Luigi: Super Star Saga, Fire Emblem, Super Smash Bros., Eternal Darkness, Metroid Prime.... I could type this all day.

Also, Microsoft's Live service isn't doing as well as they'd have you belive... only 23% of X-Box gamers are online. TWENTY THREE percent. And yes, Nintendo IS working on an online network. The GBA is going to have a big mofo LAN deal if you live around stores when Pokemon Fire/Leaf (more games are supporting the wireless adapter too, not just Pokemon), and I think they're just perfecting this technology so you'll have FREE online gaming.

And Sony's Eye Toy? Gameboy Camera ring a bell? Webcams? I've been doing what Eye Toy's doing on PS2 ever since I got my computer a good 4 years ago. Eye Toy is the most gimmicky thing I have ever seen, peroid.

One more point... Squaresoft and Capcom ARE making plenty of games for them now... and so is Namco (Soul Calibur 2 sold the best on Gamecube, btw). Infact, Nintendo financed the set up of a new stuido for Square, and Capcom has been one of their closest developers this generation (RE4, Viewtiful Joe, Killer 7, PNO 3, and Dead Phoenix, along with the REmakes and an exclusive Mega Man game).

Dude, I am so glad that you're here! Let me restate his best point...

and I think they're just perfecting this technology so you'll have FREE online gaming.


See, Nintendo is always researching to create something new, convenient, and simple to use, while the other guys go with the mainstream & expensive stuff.


Sony raped us all of our money by manufacturing a system that breaks down after 2 years.

That's why they wanted the thing to play DVD movies, so people would wear it out fast, just in time for PS3. I've hardly ever heard of people having troubles with their Game Cubes.

Seriously when all the new systems come out...I'm only buying Nintendo. I regret the day I ever bought my PS2 which has become a dvd player/dust collector since Kingdom Hearts. X-Box I was playing lots of but only because I owned NHL2k3 for it. I'd probably still be playing it...IF IT HADN'T BROKE! What the hell kind of product are you making when the damn thing just stops working after just about 2 years? A sh*t one that's what! GCN is the only system I feel I haven't been ripped off buying.

Ninendo's systems don't break as fast because they have fewer moving parts, and they have been doing this since 1984. They know what they're doing, while Xbox's have been known to break down on Christmas morning. At almost every store I go to with the three systems on display, the Cube is the only one working. The PS2 is frozen, and the Xbox won't even read the demo disc.

I'm sorry that your system broke down on you Michaelangelo. It sucks when something like that happens.

Taloniss
04-13-2004, 03:52 PM
I'm just saying that Sony & Microsoft's games are just clones of something that's been done before with a little blood thrown on for good measure, or sports titles.

What was GTA a clone of? Stuntman? Red Faction, while a standard FPS introduced us to it's engine that allows us to shoot through anything. I'm not sure the first game to use it, but I'm sure Nintendo didn't invent Rag Doll physics or the Havok engine (as seen in Max Payne 2) which allows realistic interaction with the environment. Nintendo isn't the only innovator out there.

Nintendo does the same thing you accuse the others of. How many Pokemon games have their been? How many Mario Party games? Mario Party is all the same game, just with new boards and and some new mini games (which are all basically the same as something that was done in a previous Mario Party) How innovative is that?

Sony & Microsoft only upgrade their systems. They never do anything "really" innovative.

What did Gamecube do that was so innovative?

Sony raped us all of our money by manufacturing a system that breaks down after 2 years.

I've had mine since launch (3 years ago? Or 4?) and mine still works perfectly.

Only 23% of X-boxs may be online, but how many x-boxs are out there? How much does it cost Microsoft to run the service? Probably not a whole lot in relation to what they make off of it.

ThirdMarioBro
04-13-2004, 04:02 PM
I'm just saying that Sony & Microsoft's games are just clones of something that's been done before with a little blood thrown on for good measure, or sports titles.

What was GTA a clone of? Stuntman? Red Faction, while a standard FPS introduced us to it's engine that allows us to shoot through anything. I'm not sure the first game to use it, but I'm sure Nintendo didn't invent Rag Doll physics or the Havok engine (as seen in Max Payne 2) which allows realistic interaction with the environment. Nintendo isn't the only innovator out there.
.

Granted, Nintendo does it too, just not to the extent that the other guys do. They dream up loads more than Sony or Microsoft. Mario Party may have a load of sequels, but has there even been a clone of Mario Party that was ever worth playing?

Taloniss
04-13-2004, 04:04 PM
Has there been a mario party past number 3 that was worth spending the money on?

Don't get me wrong, I want Nintendo to succeed. I love Nintendo. I think they have the most recognizable characters, some of the best games and the most name value in the industry today. Wind Waker was one of the best, if not the best game I've ever played. Metroid Prime showed that FPS' didn't have to be all run and gun. Mario Party, in any form, is a great multiplayer game. Gameboy is still king of handhelds, and I own a GBA, GBASP, and I'll likely pick up the NES themed GBA as well.

But, I think the other two are doing some good things as well. Each company has it's good points and it's bad points, just like anything in the world. Nothing is perfect.

Kid Icarus
04-13-2004, 04:10 PM
Sony & Microsoft only upgrade their systems. They never do anything "really" innovative.

What did Gamecube do that was so innovative?

Their mini-disc's. They've yet to be cracked for ROMS. And there still isn't a GC emulator out there. That's a dead gaurentee to developers that their product won't be stolen.

However, I'm now finding it hard to support Nintendo... Why?

Silicon Knights and Ninty just split. And there really isn't any logical reasoning behind it like there was with the RARE thing.

Taloniss
04-13-2004, 04:13 PM
And there still isn't a GC emulator out there.

Yeah, there is. It's v.01, only runs a few games, but there is one. Or, was one a few months ago at least.

Peanut
04-13-2004, 04:17 PM
Has there been a mario party past number 3 that was worth spending the money on?

Actually I own both GCN Mario Party games and they get worn out by me and my friends.

Taloniss
04-13-2004, 04:24 PM
Has there been a mario party past number 3 that was worth spending the money on?

Actually I own both GCN Mario Party games and they get worn out by me and my friends.

Were there such monumental innovations in them that you had to get it, or was it because you and your friends enjoy them? I didn't mean that they were bad games, I myself own Mario Party 4, and enjoy playing it solo or with friends, I just meant that there was nothing earthshatteringly new about it. I just wasn't clear enough in my original post. My bad.

Peanut
04-13-2004, 04:31 PM
No of course not. My friends and I just enjoy it. Sometimes innovation is not needed to warrant a purchase. I think the point some people were trying to get across is that while other companies do make innovations Nintendo is the leader in said category. Take a look at Wario Ware Inc: Mega Micro Game$ and tell me if Sony or Microsoft have ever created a game that even comes close to the innovation of it. PS2 pumps out RPG after RPG after RPG. They're praised for the FF series on their console. Yet it's easily one of the least innovative game series in history! Along with Mega Man of course.

Hyper Metal Sonic
04-13-2004, 04:50 PM
There's a simple reason I prefer Nintendo (and Sega) over Sony and Microsoft...

INNOVATION.

While most games released by Sony and Microsoft are just rehashes of old stuff with blood and more graphics, etc...

Nintendo (and Sega) make ORIGINAL stuff. Sega, for example, with Jet Set Radio. When have you ever played a game that had you rollerblading through a town spraying graffiti all over the place?

Nintendo...how about stuff like Animal Crossing? Before Nintendo you've never played ANYTHING like Animal Crossing.

These are both extremely original games, without a lick of blood or "maturity"...and guess what?

THEY'RE FREAKING FUN AS HELL!

Peanut
04-13-2004, 04:56 PM
I got Animal Crossing the day it came out and I still play it everyday.

InsaneZane
04-13-2004, 05:29 PM
Well, Nintendo's lack of abilities compared to the other two systems cost them the title of
MK6: Mortal Kombat: Deception

and thats a big loss...

but then again, MGS: The Twin Snakes is an NGC exclusive, so
Thats a plus..................

Hyper Metal Sonic
04-13-2004, 05:35 PM
Lack of abilities?

What?

Anyway, does anyone else think the PS2 is a pisspoor system? I mean, hell, 4MB of video ram? My Pentium had that in 1996!

Peanut
04-13-2004, 05:41 PM
I think it's a piss poor system but not cause of it's graphical abilites but because of it's lack of good games. As far as Nintendo loosing a new MK.....who cares.....MK sucked since 3.

InsaneZane
04-13-2004, 05:54 PM
I think it's a piss poor system but not cause of it's graphical abilites but because of it's lack of good games. As far as Nintendo loosing a new MK.....who cares.....MK sucked since 3.

what'cha talkin' bout yo! :x
I take that as a personal insult!
MK Trilogy was a d@mn good game..
and so was Gold and MKVDA...

Man, dude? WTF? :x

You know I'm a Mortal Kombat fan.
Now, You can say that MK: Annihilation sucked... cuz I agree
Shell, agree with you about MK3, but you're just wrong.

Obviously, you either suck at fighting games or MK3 pissed you off so bad that you never went back to MK.
jeez dude........MK has a fasinating storyline... IF you know anything about it. Obvously you dont.

Plus, The Movies dont follow the story correctly, so that dosnt even count.

MW8979
04-13-2004, 06:06 PM
One more point... Squaresoft and Capcom ARE making plenty of games for them now... and so is Namco (Soul Calibur 2 sold the best on Gamecube, btw). Infact, Nintendo financed the set up of a new stuido for Square, and Capcom has been one of their closest developers this generation (RE4, Viewtiful Joe, Killer 7, PNO 3, and Dead Phoenix, along with the REmakes and an exclusive Mega Man game).

Notice how you're emphasizing "NOW". Obviously right now things are changing and I'm not debating that. Nintendo still can, and I hope it does, make a substantial comeback. I was talking about the late 90's, when they really sucked. I don't buy the whole "companies just refused to make games for them". Some of my favourite series like FF, Mega Man and Castlevania switched to PS almost entirely at that point, save for some crappy N64 games. THAT was Nintendo's fault. Now they're trying to coax these companies back, which is good, but they also have to stop making so many Mario games, 'cause if they did, then it would greatly help eliminate their current image as a "younger audience" oriented console.

Kid Icarus
04-13-2004, 06:12 PM
Well, Nintendo's lack of abilities compared to the other two systems cost them the title of
MK6: Mortal Kombat: Deception

and thats a big loss...

but then again, MGS: The Twin Snakes is an NGC exclusive, so
Thats a plus.................. Actually, GC is just about on part with X-Box. If anything, it surpasses PS2 in olmost every aspect, so that's not the reason.

It's all about demographics.

And SS84... the only true Mario type game Nintendo's came out with this generation is Mario Sunshine... how is that too many? ;). And keeping Silicon Knights would have gotten rid of their image, if they'd only have advertised their games more.

For those of you who haven't, for some ungodly reason, played Eternal Darkness, GO GET THE DAMN GAME ALREADY. 15 bucks brand new at EBgames/Gamestop/ect. FIFTEEN BUCKS PEOPLE! Amazing game. Easily the best I've played this generation.

Peanut
04-13-2004, 06:17 PM
I think it's a piss poor system but not cause of it's graphical abilites but because of it's lack of good games. As far as Nintendo loosing a new MK.....who cares.....MK sucked since 3.

what'cha talkin' bout yo! :x
I take that as a personal insult!
MK Trilogy was a d@mn good game..
and so was Gold and MKVDA...

Man, dude? WTF? :x

You know I'm a Mortal Kombat fan.
Now, You can say that MK: Annihilation sucked... cuz I agree
Shell, agree with you about MK3, but you're just wrong.

Obviously, you either suck at fighting games or MK3 pissed you off so bad that you never went back to MK.
jeez dude........MK has a fasinating storyline... IF you know anything about it. Obvously you dont.

Plus, The Movies dont follow the story correctly, so that dosnt even count.

Dude settle down. I'm sorry. It's just my opinion. No need to get so defensive.

Kid Icarus
04-13-2004, 06:39 PM
MK4 wasn't SO bad... haven't played DA, though... i've heard it left a lot to be desired. Unless MK 6 has some huge overhaul, it's pry not gonna be as big. The only reason it has as much buzz around it right now is because of the screen of Baraka.

InsaneZane
04-13-2004, 06:42 PM
Actually, GC is just about on part with X-Box. If anything, it surpasses PS2 in olmost every aspect, so that's not the reason.

.

thats a good point, but
GC only has 7 fire buttons and it's not pressure sensitive
PS2 and XBOX has 10

thats probably the reason

InsaneZane
04-13-2004, 06:46 PM
MK4 wasn't SO bad... haven't played DA, though... i've heard it left a lot to be desired. Unless MK 6 has some huge overhaul, it's pry not gonna be as big. The only reason it has as much buzz around it right now is because of the screen of Baraka.

and mileena and sindel and ermac, and noob saibot, and nightwolf

whats not to be excited about i ask you?

Peanut
04-13-2004, 06:53 PM
It's MK that's what.

InsaneZane
04-13-2004, 06:58 PM
ok thats enough out of you so shush!

Peanut
04-13-2004, 06:59 PM
:lol: I was just kidding!

04-13-2004, 07:03 PM
Not trying to cause trouble, but Mortal Kombat was only good up to 3/Ultimate.

Peanut
04-13-2004, 07:07 PM
Not trying to cause trouble, but Mortal Kombat was only good up to 3/Ultimate.

I told you...I always know Ai was smart!

ThirdMarioBro
04-13-2004, 07:17 PM
I think it's a piss poor system but not cause of it's graphical abilites but because of it's lack of good games. As far as Nintendo loosing a new MK.....who cares.....MK sucked since 3.

what'cha talkin' bout yo! :x
I take that as a personal insult!
MK Trilogy was a d@mn good game..
and so was Gold and MKVDA...

Man, dude? WTF? :x

You know I'm a Mortal Kombat fan.
Now, You can say that MK: Annihilation sucked... cuz I agree
Shell, agree with you about MK3, but you're just wrong.

Obviously, you either suck at fighting games or MK3 pissed you off so bad that you never went back to MK.
jeez dude........MK has a fasinating storyline... IF you know anything about it. Obvously you dont.

Plus, The Movies dont follow the story correctly, so that dosnt even count.

Geez dude, settle down!

Everyone's allowed to have their own opinion. If he dosen't like it, then he dosen't like it. Geez.


One more point... Squaresoft and Capcom ARE making plenty of games for them now... and so is Namco (Soul Calibur 2 sold the best on Gamecube, btw). Infact, Nintendo financed the set up of a new stuido for Square, and Capcom has been one of their closest developers this generation (RE4, Viewtiful Joe, Killer 7, PNO 3, and Dead Phoenix, along with the REmakes and an exclusive Mega Man game).

Notice how you're emphasizing "NOW". Obviously right now things are changing and I'm not debating that. Nintendo still can, and I hope it does, make a substantial comeback. I was talking about the late 90's, when they really sucked. I don't buy the whole "companies just refused to make games for them". Some of my favourite series like FF, Mega Man and Castlevania switched to PS almost entirely at that point, save for some crappy N64 games. THAT was Nintendo's fault. Now they're trying to coax these companies back, which is good, but they also have to stop making so many Mario games, 'cause if they did, then it would greatly help eliminate their current image as a "younger audience" oriented console.

Stop Making Mario games? Then they oblitherate the entire NInendo fanbase. Not smart at all.

Not trying to cause trouble, but Mortal Kombat was only good up to 3/Ultimate.

I told you...I always know Ai was smart!

Ditto

jeff the cheff
04-13-2004, 07:44 PM
Ok thats too much for me to read right now, but I have something important to say about PS2

I've seen a lot of stories about people's PS2's breaking.(even mine) Yes they suck and they stop working, and it sucks. If your PS2 doesn't work anymore, you can send it back and they either fix it or replace it FOR FREE! I did it myself when mine got all messed up. Look it up on gamefaqs if you want the number to call so they replace it.

Anyway...I really want a GC. I would have one today but I already have a PS2 and I have no money. Nintendo rules. It rules so much in fact, that I recently bought this pimpin' belt buckle. :) :evilgrin:

http://img4.photobucket.com/albums/1103/jeffthecheff/135-3590_IMG.jpg

Kid Icarus
04-13-2004, 08:12 PM
MK4 wasn't SO bad... haven't played DA, though... i've heard it left a lot to be desired. Unless MK 6 has some huge overhaul, it's pry not gonna be as big. The only reason it has as much buzz around it right now is because of the screen of Baraka.

and mileena and sindel and ermac, and noob saibot, and nightwolf

whats not to be excited about i ask you? I'm not excited because, NOTHING IS KNOWN ABOUT THE GAMEPLAY.

Graphics are just there to look pretty and suck up more development time than they're worth. If a game has horrible controlls and play mechanics, people arn't going to play it long.

That and most of Midways games have been trash for a while now. Hence why they're close to bancruptcy.

Peanut
04-14-2004, 08:16 AM
Well I've just read on IGN that Nintendo and 2nd party company Silicon Knights have broken off their partnership. For those who don't know Silicon Knights made Eternal Darkness and more recently developed MGS: Twin Snakes. While I was never a big fan of their stuff I know a lot of people were and there's going to be some big BIG dissapointment in the Nintendo fan community today. It's also going to start a whole new bunch of talk. Who's next to leave? How many more companies will Nintendo lose the support of? It's gonna be a mess. First Rare, then Factor 5 is sitting around without a Lucasarts game to develop, and now SK has gone 3rd party. At least we know Retro Studios isn't going anywhere. :tgrumble:

Barkworm
04-14-2004, 12:11 PM
I'll buy Nintendo's and Sony's new systems for sure. I'm still thinking of getting an X-Box but up to now there's not even one exclusive game I'd consider buying.

Peanut
04-15-2004, 08:43 AM
New news. Factor 5 isn't making anything for GCN anymore either. Ouch. Two companies in two days. The poor Big N.

ThirdMarioBro
04-15-2004, 10:38 AM
Well I've just read on IGN that Nintendo and 2nd party company Silicon Knights have broken off their partnership. For those who don't know Silicon Knights made Eternal Darkness and more recently developed MGS: Twin Snakes. While I was never a big fan of their stuff I know a lot of people were and there's going to be some big BIG dissapointment in the Nintendo fan community today. It's also going to start a whole new bunch of talk. Who's next to leave? How many more companies will Nintendo lose the support of? It's gonna be a mess. First Rare, then Factor 5 is sitting around without a Lucasarts game to develop, and now SK has gone 3rd party. At least we know Retro Studios isn't going anywhere. :tgrumble:

Thank God Ninendo is sitting on Retro's head. I'm glad they can't leave, because we need them.

Peanut
04-15-2004, 01:43 PM
You're damn right we do. Imagine the uproar there'd be if Nintendo lost the company behind Metroid Prime. Riots in Japan no doubt.

04-15-2004, 01:52 PM
The advertisement of Nintendo products in Japan is ridiculous. I download Japanese shows (waits for the insults.....................okay) and when I watch the commercials, there's at least 1 or 2 commercials about a Nintendo product during the course of the show.

Crazy...

Peanut
04-15-2004, 06:08 PM
This one is interesting. Don't want to lose it! BUMPAGE!

InsaneZane
04-15-2004, 07:34 PM
I'm not excited because, NOTHING IS KNOWN ABOUT THE GAMEPLAY.

Graphics are just there to look pretty and suck up more development time than they're worth. If a game has horrible controlls and play mechanics, people arn't going to play it long.

That and most of Midways games have been trash for a while now. Hence why they're close to bancruptcy.

Thats not true, plenty is known about the gameplay, buddy....
I have news and info about MK:Deception posted on my website....
now get!

ThirdMarioBro
04-15-2004, 08:53 PM
I smell a flame war-a coming.

Peanut
04-15-2004, 09:02 PM
There BETTER not be! *waves the borrowed MOD mallot*

ThirdMarioBro
04-15-2004, 09:20 PM
no kiddin *points to barrowed mod mallot*