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FredWolfLeonardo 08-10-2017 06:16 PM

Should the next film be another chapter in the Original trilogy or a new reboot?
 
I was recently having this thought, that I would not want the next tmnt film to be an origin story since it has been done many times in the past and gets repetitive after a while in my opinion.

Instead, I think that the next film should be a full CG animated continuation of the original trilogy and tmnt 2007, showing older turtles in a new situation rather than the old "we tell April where we came from then beat Shredder" story.

What are your thoughts? Do you think the Original movie turtles being in the next movie will work, or does the next film need to start completely fresh?

ToTheNines 08-10-2017 06:20 PM

Reboot.

I would really like an animated feature or comic book with some Steve Barron involvement that is a true sequel to the 1990 movie and totally ignores SotO.

The Deadman 08-10-2017 06:35 PM

The only way I'd be alright with another movie in the original trilogy is if they brought back the suits and the voice actors.

Shark_Blade 08-10-2017 06:54 PM

Reboot.

I don't see the turtle suits coming back, it's ancient technology. In TMNT 1, in some scenes like when Mikey raised his head screaming "I love being a turtle!", I can see the suit's crumpled line opening under his neck and that took me out of believing the character is real. :/ Nope, that simply will not do. No more.

CGI is the way to go: most creatures are cgi nowadays: Hulk, Avatar, Beast (from Beauty & the Beast), Caesar (War for Planet of the Apes), Smeagol (Lord of the Ring), etc.

Andrew NDB 08-10-2017 07:25 PM

There's really not enough "good" in the first four movies that it's worth getting back into now. And no one is going to invest in such a movie. "30 years later, the sequel." That's only been tried once with comic book movies, with Superman Returns, and that was a flop.

mrmaczaps 08-10-2017 09:49 PM

They can make a new movie using suits and use cgi as touchups... that would be the way to go... this full on cgi crap has to stop. Did movie makers not learn from the Star Wars Prequels?!? Lol

CyberCubed 08-10-2017 09:50 PM

Fun Fact: Robbie Rist plays Mondo Gecko in the Nick cartoon and can still do his original movie Michelangelo voice perfectly....and the last time he played Mike was in Movie III which came out in 1993....20+ years ago.

Man, how do VA's still have the same voice after 20 years?

sdp 08-10-2017 09:58 PM

A sequel to OOTS.

Fight me.

mrmaczaps 08-10-2017 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sdp (Post 1706554)
A sequel to OOTS.

Fight me.

Easy solution.

Bay Turtles decide to go find Shredder, pre opening credits... Donnie has off screen created a vortex device... Opens it, they jump in and land at the feet of the Mirage Turtles first seen in greyscale... open credits... new scene, four dead Bay Turtles burning in NY Harbor... commence R rate Turtles movie. :lol:

DestronMirage22 08-11-2017 12:44 AM

Reboot.
We need a good retelling of the original origin story.
And as much as I like the original films, I think too much time has passed to try to continue with them.

neatoman 08-11-2017 05:10 AM

Probably best just to reboot this whole thing again.

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan 08-11-2017 07:52 AM

Utroms
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ToTheNines (Post 1706518)
Reboot.

I would really like an animated feature or comic book with some Steve Barron involvement that is a true sequel to the 1990 movie and totally ignores SotO.

Great, so we could have a real "Secret of the Ooze", with Utroms as first planned.

The Deadman 08-11-2017 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberCubed (Post 1706551)
Fun Fact: Robbie Rist plays Mondo Gecko in the Nick cartoon and can still do his original movie Michelangelo voice perfectly....and the last time he played Mike was in Movie III which came out in 1993....20+ years ago.

Man, how do VA's still have the same voice after 20 years?

The last time he actually voiced the character was in a Casey Jones fan film



Shows up towards the end.

eskater 08-11-2017 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB (Post 1706540)
There's really not enough "good" in the first four movies that it's worth getting back into now. And no one is going to invest in such a movie. "30 years later, the sequel." That's only been tried once with comic book movies, with Superman Returns, and that was a flop.

As much as a continuation sounds enticing and I'm not a huge fan of reboots, I have to agree with Andrew on this one. 2007 TMNT tried doing a sort of "hiatus" for the turtles and although I loved their personalities in this one it really didn't feel quite right, and Superman Returns was a pretty bad flop. I'd go for a reboot for sure.

eskater 08-11-2017 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrmaczaps (Post 1706558)
Easy solution.

Bay Turtles decide to go find Shredder, pre opening credits... Donnie has off screen created a vortex device... Opens it, they jump in and land at the feet of the Mirage Turtles first seen in greyscale... open credits... new scene, four dead Bay Turtles burning in NY Harbor... commence R rate Turtles movie. :lol:

Did ask for it lol :tlol:

Krutch 08-11-2017 08:33 AM

Reboot.

I agree about not wanting to see another origin movie but there's a few issues with skipping it entirely when a new reboot comes along...

For starters, there's so many different origins that exist between Mirage, IDW, Fred Wolf, Nick, 2k4, each with their own unique spin on things, that you'd need to clarify the origins when introducing a new iteration.

Why not just skip the origin entirely?

You need to establish their relationship with Shredder, and that always comes back to the origin. So unfortunately, I believe it's an origin you can't really skip out on when rebooting.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy 08-11-2017 08:48 AM

A proper origin doesn't take an entire movie to cover.

Have a 5-10 minute flashback narrated by Splinter to April or even to the Turtles, same as pretty much every iteration before.

It's not hard to do it right. Except for Hollywood, apparently.

eskater 08-11-2017 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Krutch (Post 1706612)
Reboot.

I agree about not wanting to see another origin movie but there's a few issues with skipping it entirely when a new reboot comes along...

For starters, there's so many different origins that exist between Mirage, IDW, Fred Wolf, Nick, 2k4, each with their own unique spin on things, that you'd need to clarify the origins when introducing a new iteration.

Why not just skip the origin entirely?

You need to establish their relationship with Shredder, and that always comes back to the origin. So unfortunately, I believe it's an origin you can't really skip out on when rebooting.

I wouldn't want to skip out the origin entirely, especially with the Shredder. Although I think there is merit in not spending too much time in the origin.

GoldMutant 08-11-2017 09:10 AM

Why the shell would there be another movie in the original trilogy? A book or comic, maybe, but a movie? The trilogy I feel were products of their time and the magic from the 90s cannot be replicated.

As others have said, a reboot is what'll be needed, but currently, it shouldn't be done. If Out of the Shadows did poor at the box office due to the first film and other better movies at the time of its release, it's best for the films to lay low for a few years. Then, reboot it.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy 08-11-2017 09:34 AM

Nobody's continuing the Tim Burton Batman movies. Batman needed a Christopher Nolan to "Dark Knight" the franchise after the abysmal Joel Schumacher filmes.

Hopefully, TMNT can follow the same trend...

Burton/Bannon...
enjoyable but ultimately dated

Schumacher/Bay...
a lot of disrespect to the franchise, wacky, stupid, toys

Nolan/???... a fresh new interpretation that brings the franchise back to prominence and success

eskater 08-11-2017 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldMutant (Post 1706621)
Why the shell would there be another movie in the original trilogy? A book or comic, maybe, but a movie? The trilogy I feel were products of their time and the magic from the 90s cannot be replicated.

As others have said, a reboot is what'll be needed, but currently, it shouldn't be done. If Out of the Shadows did poor at the box office due to the first film and other better movies at the time of its release, it's best for the films to lay low for a few years. Then, reboot it.

Agree, no TMNT movies for awhile for now. Have to let PD movies fade a little bit more into obscurity first.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy 08-11-2017 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eskater (Post 1706629)
Agree, no TMNT movies for awhile for now. Have to let PD movies fade a little bit more into obscurity first.

I'm pretty sure they already have. At the rate cinemas have been blasting CBMs and kid movies out in the last decade, the bad ones get forgotten reaaaaaaaaally quickly.

Andrew NDB 08-11-2017 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Krutch (Post 1706612)
Reboot.

I agree about not wanting to see another origin movie

Why not? There hasn't been an origin movie since 1990. The PD ones didn't even have one.

The Deadman 08-11-2017 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy (Post 1706626)
Nobody's continuing the Tim Burton Batman movies. Batman needed a Christopher Nolan to "Dark Knight" the franchise after the abysmal Joel Schumacher filmes.

Hopefully, TMNT can follow the same trend...

Burton/Bannon...
enjoyable but ultimately dated

Schumacher/Bay...
a lot of disrespect to the franchise, wacky, stupid, toys

Nolan/???... a fresh new interpretation that brings the franchise back to prominence and success

Forever and &Robin were enjoyable for what it's worth...besides, everyone...chill.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy 08-11-2017 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB (Post 1706633)
Why not? There hasn't been an origin movie since 1990. The PD ones didn't even have one.

:tlol: I forgot that, and you're absolutely right. Man oh man, you are absolutely right.

#karatefordummies #sewerlibrary

Krutch 08-11-2017 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB (Post 1706633)
Why not? There hasn't been an origin movie since 1990. The PD ones didn't even have one.

True. Guess I'm just burnt out on origin movies in general.

...I just want to see some damn Mousers already :P

eskater 08-11-2017 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy (Post 1706626)
Nobody's continuing the Tim Burton Batman movies. Batman needed a Christopher Nolan to "Dark Knight" the franchise after the abysmal Joel Schumacher filmes.

Hopefully, TMNT can follow the same trend...

Burton/Bannon...
enjoyable but ultimately dated

Schumacher/Bay...
a lot of disrespect to the franchise, wacky, stupid, toys

Nolan/???... a fresh new interpretation that brings the franchise back to prominence and success

I'm really hoping this is the case, it would be the best case scenario....I'll hold off for our "Nolan"

Quote:

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy (Post 1706631)
I'm pretty sure they already have. At the rate cinemas have been blasting CBMs and kid movies out in the last decade, the bad ones get forgotten reaaaaaaaaally quickly.

Really hope so....but at the same time I wouldn't want MORE bad TMNT movies to ultimately fade into obscurity further tarnishing the franchise. I say wait for the next one for a good good while.

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Deadman (Post 1706635)
Forever and &Robin were enjoyable for what it's worth...besides, everyone...chill.

Like I said....even as a kid I didn't like them all too much. Maybe it's the Batman: animated series influence in me but they pushed the camp way too much even for 7 year old me lol.

Panda_Kahn_fan 08-13-2017 03:01 PM

I still think if a reboot is necessary, limit the origin to a flashback/recap at the beginning, then give us a film with rat king, purple dragons, and leatherhead as the enemies. heck, bring in Angel bridge/Nobody as and Radical as the TMNT's allies instead of April and Casey, and set the classic elements (April, Casey, Shredder and the foot) up for the sequels. That way we get to know the turtles first in a new story, before we begin the retread.

eskater 08-14-2017 07:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Panda_Kahn_fan (Post 1707038)
I still think if a reboot is necessary, limit the origin to a flashback/recap at the beginning, then give us a film with rat king, purple dragons, and leatherhead as the enemies. heck, bring in Angel bridge/Nobody as and Radical as the TMNT's allies instead of April and Casey, and set the classic elements (April, Casey, Shredder and the foot) up for the sequels. That way we get to know the turtles first in a new story, before we begin the retread.

I second this motion, it'd be a good twist and probably has the most potential IMO.

GoldMutant 08-14-2017 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy (Post 1706631)
I'm pretty sure they already have. At the rate cinemas have been blasting CBMs and kid movies out in the last decade, the bad ones get forgotten reaaaaaaaaally quickly.

I do know some of my friends think OOTS was better than the first and enjoyed it. Something tells me they're not going to easily fade. Considering the upcoming show, Rise, may have PD elements, it's clear it won't fade entirely yet, especially with taking jabs at them. I get that it is humor, but constantly repeating the same jokes, whether references or any form, gets old really fast.

I do wonder if Viacom could allow TMNT to air on a different station or on Netflix with a different direction at some point. It's wishful thinking on my part, but it could very well convey TMNT as more than a kid's property. It was one of the best-selling kid properties last year according to a thread about merchandise, but otherwise, not sure.

Until then, we have a long way to wait.

eskater 08-14-2017 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldMutant (Post 1707224)
I do know some of my friends think OOTS was better than the first and enjoyed it. Something tells me they're not going to easily fade. Considering the upcoming show, Rise, may have PD elements, it's clear it won't fade entirely yet, especially with taking jabs at them. I get that it is humor, but constantly repeating the same jokes, whether references or any form, gets old really fast.

I do wonder if Viacom could allow TMNT to air on a different station or on Netflix with a different direction at some point. It's wishful thinking on my part, but it could very well convey TMNT as more than a kid's property. It was one of the best-selling kid properties last year according to a thread about merchandise, but otherwise, not sure.

Until then, we have a long way to wait.

Honestly Netflix is the absolute dream. It'll take awhile for the OOTS Bay Turtles to fade a little bit at least, I'm still holding out on Rise though.

CyberCubed 08-14-2017 05:18 PM

We'll probably get another TMNT movie somewhere between 2021-2025.

eskater 08-15-2017 07:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberCubed (Post 1707378)
We'll probably get another TMNT movie somewhere between 2021-2025.

At least they'll have waited more than 3 years by then

Weapons@theready 08-17-2017 02:48 PM

Preferably a reboot, but if they decided to go sequel, go sequel to the original movie only, like how Jurassic Park did with Jurassic World.

pferreira 08-17-2017 02:59 PM

I'd actually like them to continue with the original trilogy because I'd be interested to see the direction they would go in. To see the advancements in visual effects and creature design applied to a continuation of the original three movies interests me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy (Post 1706626)
Nobody's continuing the Tim Burton Batman movies. Batman needed a Christopher Nolan to "Dark Knight" the franchise after the abysmal Joel Schumacher filmes.

Leave Batman Forever alone thank you.

Also the Nolan films were overrated. ;)

Andrew NDB 08-17-2017 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Weapons@theready (Post 1707938)
Preferably a reboot, but if they decided to go sequel, go sequel to the original movie only, like how Jurassic Park did with Jurassic World.

That's never going to happen. Too much poo between movie #1 and movie #6.

https://charts.stocktwits.com/produc...gif?1414158406

raph27 08-20-2017 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Weapons@theready (Post 1707938)
Preferably a reboot, but if they decided to go sequel, go sequel to the original movie only, like how Jurassic Park did with Jurassic World.

I would love to see this as an animated movie similar to some of DC's direct to video stuff. Bring back as many of the original cast as possible. Since it's animation, they could bring back those turtles without messing with the animatronics, and any human characters can look younger than their actors/actresses currently are. (Assuming a sequel would keep relatively close to when the original took place and not almost 30 years later like in real life.)

eskater 08-21-2017 07:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raph27 (Post 1708564)
I would love to see this as an animated movie similar to some of DC's direct to video stuff. Bring back as many of the original cast as possible. Since it's animation, they could bring back those turtles without messing with the animatronics, and any human characters can look younger than their actors/actresses currently are. (Assuming a sequel would keep relatively close to when the original took place and not almost 30 years later like in real life.)

I love this...the DC direct video stuff is pretty good as a whole. Gives them more creative freedom too.

Tetsu Deinonychus 08-23-2017 12:55 PM

That's where I've been hoping they take this. A DTV animated film could cater to the hardcore fans more than a theatrical live-action film (which to make enough money have to try to extract the mainstream). And, a series of such videos in different continuities could cater to the varying tastes of different segments of the fandom.

pferreira 08-24-2017 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raph27 (Post 1708564)
I would love to see this as an animated movie similar to some of DC's direct to video stuff. Bring back as many of the original cast as possible. Since it's animation, they could bring back those turtles without messing with the animatronics, and any human characters can look younger than their actors/actresses currently are. (Assuming a sequel would keep relatively close to when the original took place and not almost 30 years later like in real life.)

I like that idea but don't set it 30 years into the future.


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