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liugeaux 04-12-2013 10:10 PM

Duoshade issue in Ultimate Collection Volume 4
 
So I pointed out this duoshade issue with the old reprint of Mirage's #5 a few weeks back in this thread.

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=41901

Well, that exact shading problem is also in IDW's brand new Ultimate Collection Vol. 4. Check the images below:

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t...ps178f18d7.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t...ps33506fa7.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t...psa7ce8f16.jpg

I basically just picked three random pages from the three books that didn't have the duoshade on them, but its not just those pages. The entirety of issues 49, 53 and 54 have no shades on them. The rest of the books look fine. Can anyone explain this stuff? Bobby? Anyone?

My gut says to blame IDW, but since this happened in a previous Mirage book, could it be possible that Mirage provided IDW with the un-shaded scans of these books? This is getting weird.

CyberCubed 04-12-2013 10:12 PM

Yikes, this might make me reconsider buying the collection.

Roseangelo 04-12-2013 10:18 PM

Wow, this is disappointing. The duo shade is pretty important for these books.

Powder 04-12-2013 10:26 PM

It's cool to see them without the shades but that's not at all how it should be. What the hell...

Bobby Curnow 04-12-2013 10:32 PM

All I know is that our files are what Nick got from Mirage.

That sounds sort of like I'm blaming Mirage. I'm not. But that's the origin of the files.

Powder 04-12-2013 10:43 PM

That's really strange... I wonder if they felt they would look better this way? Or are the tones missing/damaged? I guess I must be a noob because I had assumed everything was done on one particular piece of paper.

Roseangelo 04-12-2013 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobby Curnow (Post 1083535)
All I know is that our files are what Nick got from Mirage.

That sounds sort of like I'm blaming Mirage. I'm not. But that's the origin of the files.

Well, Dan is usually the first to admit that Mirage's archives were never very great in the first place. So it's not incredibly surprising that this oversight exists, but it's still incredibly disappointing. And just weird. Hmm.

CyberCubed 04-12-2013 11:07 PM

Could you post more photo comparisons of different pages?

Tazi 04-13-2013 05:34 AM

Ah, that's not good, I had plans for buying the whole ultimate collection later, but this kinda dissapoints me... :ohwell:

Oculus Orbus 04-13-2013 08:29 AM

Oh man, that's very very sad. You would have thought that IDW checked the actual issues before making their "ultimate" collections. I've only bought Volume 1 so far (regular edition, LBCC Exclusive and Black Label) and the quality of the scans is just awful. I was planning to get all the others later as a set, but it just keeps getting worse.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobby Curnow (Post 1083535)
All I know is that our files are what Nick got from Mirage.

That sounds sort of like I'm blaming Mirage. I'm not. But that's the origin of the files.

Bobby, I think most of us understand that the files you received are probably far from perfect, but you guys at IDW know how to produce high end books better that anyone else in the business today. Whenever something like this happens, I just feel like it's a missed opportunity. I appreciate all the hard work that goes into making this collections, and they're great, but this little things are very disappointing.

HotJuicyBurgers 04-13-2013 09:09 AM

Volume 4 is even out? I haven't received mine from amazon yet...

Shreddhead 04-13-2013 09:44 AM

Ouch, I'll pass.

Though it'd make one hell of a coloring book.

frank_one 04-13-2013 11:12 AM

Well, at least we are gonna see how the inks look without the duoshade toning, for the first time. I could buy it just for that.

liugeaux 04-13-2013 11:19 AM

Yeah its a disappointing, but I still really dig the Ultimate Collections. I don't see any other quality problems with them and I totally believe that Nick dumped whatever they had on IDWs desk and basically said, "here, you figure it out." This is definitely not the most disappointing thing to come out of TMNT, and strangely enough works as a greater metaphor for Mirage's independent publishing history and practice more than anything.

We can hope that when IDW inevitably releases a dedicated City at War trade or hardcover, that this issue is fixed, but it would probably be more trouble than its worth.

CyberCubed 04-13-2013 12:05 PM

The Foot Soldier fight is where the lack of duo shade looks disappointing the most.

Matches Malone 04-13-2013 12:56 PM

Seems unlikely, but hopefully a recall could happen in the future to replace these if a more complete version is ever acquired and produced? I already purchased mine and I don't think I'll be returning it, but there is no question that this is disappointing for fans who are excited to have City At War collected for the first time only to have an incomplete reading experience when compared to the original issues. There's no denying how important that signature shading is for these black & white books. It's what makes all the difference between black & white art and art that just hasn't been colored.

Tazi 04-13-2013 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by liugeaux (Post 1083699)
We can hope that when IDW inevitably releases a dedicated City at War trade or hardcover, that this issue is fixed, but it would probably be more trouble than its worth.

Another thing which would be cool is City at War issues re-released as colored classics.
A nicely done coloring would be an okay replacement of the duo shades, in case Mirage actually lost the duo shaded originals.

Shreddhead 04-13-2013 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tazi (Post 1083744)
Another thing which would be cool is City at War issues re-released as colored classics.
A nicely done coloring would be an okay replacement of the duo shades, in case Mirage actually lost the duo shaded originals.

I'd like to see that. If IDW actually noticed the lack of shading before they released this collection, then they should have gone with a colored classic collection instead of this.

The more I look at it, the flatter that foot soldier battle looks.

Oculus Orbus 04-13-2013 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tazi (Post 1083744)
Another thing which would be cool is City at War issues re-released as colored classics.
A nicely done coloring would be an okay replacement of the duo shades, in case Mirage actually lost the duo shaded originals.

Given the lack of attention put into the Color Classics reprints, I wouldn't count on a nicely done coloring replacement.

CyberCubed 04-13-2013 02:22 PM

Shredder still has an all blue bodysuit in the color reprints, see the #10 preview images.


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