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CyberCubed 10-09-2019 08:26 PM

How did you feel about the noses/nostrils in these movies on the Turtles?
 
https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media...5224196785.jpg

I HATED them. I had a mental breakdown in 2014 when they were first revealed and it's now almost 6 years later and I have yet to fully recover. The wounds have not yet fully healed.

It made the Turtles look like 4 Hulks or 4 Shrek's or whatever other jolly green giant you can think of. They were so disgusting and hideous looking. I couldn't stand it. It's almost as bad as the Turtles being "huge" in these movies.

Disgusting ugly noses. I hate it.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy 10-09-2019 08:50 PM

For my money, the hugeness was far worse than the nostrils.

neatoman 10-09-2019 09:04 PM

Well the designs are ugly, I'll admit that.

But let's be clear here, just because it made them look ugly it doesn't mean the idea didn't make sense. The character models were intended to blend in with live-action environments, nostrils is something all land living vertibrates have, the idea is that it makes them look more believable as living creatures. Comics, cartoons and video games can get away with Kevin and Peter's original design choices because realism isn't a signifigant concern there.

Now maybe if they based it on real turtle nostrils instead of human nostrils, people might not have complained.
https://live.staticflickr.com/8462/8...27159666_b.jpg

IndigoErth 10-09-2019 09:07 PM

We're back to the nostrils, are we? :tlol:

My answer is mixed. I like the wider, more rounded design of Leo and Donnie. Got used to it and think it looks decent. (Leo's profile is actually surprisingly similar to that of his 2003 counterpart.) I do not, however, care for the narrower design of Mikey and Raph.


Poor Cubed... You know how often I've come across nostrils in fan art, now? I'm not sure this is going away. lol But at least most of it is cute art?

newfan 10-10-2019 01:30 AM

This isn't something I have had any strong feelings about, obviously they form part of the design but I don't feel that it was this single thing which made them ugly to people nor did it affect other issues people had with the movies.

FredWolfLeonardo 10-10-2019 01:34 AM

They are beautiful.

CyberCubed 10-10-2019 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo (Post 1822149)
They are beautiful.

They are an affront to my eyes. I never realized how ugly nostrils/noses can make something look. Imagine if humans didn't have nostrils?

Whatswiththeheadbands? 10-10-2019 06:55 AM

The nostrils/noses are the LEAST of the design problems

CyberCubed 10-10-2019 10:29 AM

So you enjoyed watching 4 Hulks and Shreks?

What are you doing in my swamp?

Hulk Smash!

The Deadman 10-10-2019 10:32 AM

Ahh how I've missed the obsession with CGI Turtle nostrils.

IndigoErth 10-10-2019 01:47 PM

I'm still disappointed that they did not subtlety and humbly poke fun at themselves and the nostrils/lips complaint via the second film and have promo boxes of Kleenex tissues and Chapstick. lol

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy 10-10-2019 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by IndigoErth (Post 1822201)
I'm still disappointed that they did not subtlety and humbly poke fun at themselves and the nostrils/lips complaint via the second film and have promo boxes of Kleenex tissues and Chapstick. lol

Promo boxes of Kleenex?

Um, what now? And why? :teek:

TommyT 10-10-2019 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by neatoman (Post 1822125)
Well the designs are ugly, I'll admit that.

But let's be clear here, just because it made them look ugly it doesn't mean the idea didn't make sense. The character models were intended to blend in with live-action environments, nostrils is something all land living vertibrates have, the idea is that it makes them look more believable as living creatures. Comics, cartoons and video games can get away with Kevin and Peter's original design choices because realism isn't a signifigant concern there.

Now maybe if they based it on real turtle nostrils instead of human nostrils, people might not have complained.
https://live.staticflickr.com/8462/8...27159666_b.jpg

I'm with this. Real turtles have nostrils, so okay, that gets a pass, but the way it was done was so ugly, so horrible, and not in a good way horrible, but like, as if they had some kind of chromosomal disease.
The wide eyes, are off putting too, generating that uncaney valley response the way this persons face does. I don't say it to be cruel to them, just, it's just not a good direction for a ninja turtle.


IndigoErth 10-10-2019 02:41 PM

o.O At least the Turtles just have a wide nasal bridge in their design to account for the distance, and doesn't feel odd to me. Had they been rather close together like the '87 Turtles might have been worse. I find too close more off putting than wider than typical. A cartoon can get away with it, but lifelike designs prob wouldn't work. 1990 struck a happy medium though, but no nasal bridge taking up space.

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Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy (Post 1822208)
Promo boxes of Kleenex?

Um, what now? And why? :teek:

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Originally Posted by IndigoErth (Post 1822201)
subtlety and humbly poke fun at themselves and the nostrils/lips complaint

You prefer Puffs brand? Come on, it ruins it if I have to explain the joke. lol


Were I involved in marketing of the second, I'd have totally suggested movie print boxes of 'em, just to be funny, after all the complaints about noses.

TommyT 10-10-2019 02:48 PM

I'm thinking specifically of Raph and Mikey.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy 10-10-2019 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by IndigoErth (Post 1822210)
Come on, it ruins it if I have to explain the joke.

:tlol: Yes. Yes, it does.

IndigoErth 10-10-2019 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by TommyT (Post 1822211)
I'm thinking specifically of Raph and Mikey.

Fair enough, they don't fill the void between as well as the other two. Raph's design there looks a bit more... I dunno, dog like (?) to me. Puppy nose Raph.



Here's a decent shot of the whole group. I'll spoiler so it doesn't traumatize Cubed any further. (Actually, just because it's too big.)


I feel like they started with Leo and it progressed narrower from there in an effort to make them all different. Though as family it might have made sense not to and just kept them more alike; genetics and all, mutated or not.

Although, if they were to stick with these designs, I really can't decide it if would bug me or not if Mikey and Raph were given nose jobs more similar to Leo and Donnie... The change might be a little jarring at this point?

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy 10-10-2019 03:11 PM

Friends, is your life too normal? Do you yearn to stand apart from the crowd, to be your own individual, with nuanced taste and obscure passions?

ASK YOUR DOCTOR IF "CGI TURTLE NOSTRILS" IS RIGHT FOR YOU.

IndigoErth 10-10-2019 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy (Post 1822216)
Friends, is your life too normal? Do you yearn to stand apart from the crowd, to be your own individual, with nuanced taste and obscure passions?

ASK YOUR DOCTOR IF "CGI TURTLE NOSTRILS" IS RIGHT FOR YOU.

:lol::tlol:

The next Turtle nose meme.

TommyT 10-10-2019 05:00 PM

The truth is, the janky Bayverse traumatized us all, I hope who ever was responsible is long gone. They killed our fandom, cashed in, and then went ahead and cemented the deal with Rise.

Musashi 10-10-2019 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy (Post 1822208)
Promo boxes of Kleenex?

Um, what now? And why? :teek:

Well, they are teens.

Autbot_Benz 10-10-2019 06:01 PM

I don't know which is worse. Cubed's obsession with the turtle nostrils or his obsession with the chick that plays supergirl

IndigoErth 10-10-2019 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Musashi (Post 1822232)
Well, they are teens.


And there goes the thread.


*tisk* Wrong end of the anatomy there, buddy. (I knew it was overdue for that discussion to come back up. lol)


edit: I made a thing.

https://i.imgur.com/vngwkfJ.gif

Musashi 10-13-2019 04:00 PM

Leonardo's nostrils are all right - The only thing really wrong with him is that he's too massive, like all of them. Michelangelo - nostrils and everything else - is really grotesque and just has an annoying face.

Although I've seen a few isolated scenes, I still haven't actually watched either of these movies... It's totally possible I never will.

Edit: Oh, and sorry for bringing down the thread with my previous post. :)

newfan 10-13-2019 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Musashi (Post 1822424)
Leonardo's nostrils are all right - The only thing really wrong with him is that he's too massive, like all of them. Michelangelo - nostrils and everything else - is really grotesque and just has an annoying face.

Although I've seen a few isolated scenes, I still haven't actually watched either of these movies... It's totally possible I never will.

Edit: Oh, and sorry for bringing down the thread with my previous post. :)

It's Mikey that I also take most issue with.

DarkFell 10-15-2019 11:27 PM

I don't care about the nostrils on the BayTurtles simply because I don't care enough to sit down and watch both BayTurtles movies. :ohwell:

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Originally Posted by Musashi (Post 1822232)
Well, they are teens.

You just won this thread. :tthumbsu:

Donnie 10-16-2019 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed (Post 1822121)
Disgusting ugly noses. I hate it.

Agreed. The noses and the height were too much for me. I didn't mind the changes to their bandannas/individual styles, I also don't mind Don with glasses. But the hulking height and the noses were 100% idiotic.

IndigoErth 10-16-2019 05:20 PM

I don't mind them being a little bigger than typical, esp if they were older and fully grown, but the size of a small truck... eh, no. Maybe keep them at or a few inches below average adult human height at most. None of this 6' and over business.

Definitely some conflict between the scenes of them as kids -- What were they, around 8? 10 at most? -- and the present day size of them when they're still supposed to be teens; or so they claim. You tellin' me in that short handful of years they grew and changed that much? :teek: Puberty happens, sure, but god damn, I don't care if your are mutants, no one looks like a 30-year-old spending too much time at the gym when they're still a teenager; the fully adult body just isn't there yet. :tlol: (Which is why they're adults in my head, no matter what those two movies claim.)


I'd say shrink everyone down to about Mikey's height at most. If there's anything he got the best of in these, design-wise, it's that he's the smallest of the bunch and not so overwhelmingly large.

newhire13 10-18-2019 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by IndigoErth (Post 1822752)
I don't mind them being a little bigger than typical, esp if they were older and fully grown, but the size of a small truck... eh, no. Maybe keep them at or a few inches below average adult human height at most. None of this 6' and over business.

Definitely some conflict between the scenes of them as kids -- What were they, around 8? 10 at most? -- and the present day size of them when they're still supposed to be teens; or so they claim. You tellin' me in that short handful of years they grew and changed that much? :teek: Puberty happens, sure, but god damn, I don't care if your are mutants, no one looks like a 30-year-old spending too much time at the gym when they're still a teenager; the fully adult body just isn't there yet. :tlol: (Which is why they're adults in my head, no matter what those two movies claim.)


I'd say shrink everyone down to about Mikey's height at most. If there's anything he got the best of in these, deign-wise, it's that he's the smallest of the bunch and not so overwhelmingly large.

So funny, I was thinking about the exact same thing before I clicked on the 2nd page of this post lol. Weren’t they calling it just Ninja Turtles at first? Then they added in Teenage Mutant after the backlash. They were definitely designed to look like adults, not teens.

IndigoErth 10-18-2019 06:42 PM

Yeah, and further confused by those Leo and Raph toy sets that came with a regular turtle, a kid Turtle that was labeled as "teen" (despite looking like a child), and the regular figure labeled "Ninja Turtle."

Were it not for the fact that one of the important scenes of the film (April meeting them) had Mikey pointing out that they're teenagers, I'd have assumed they were going to be adults and then backpedaled on that after the uproar over the initial title.

Galactus 10-18-2019 08:14 PM

I know we're supposed to rib Cybercubed about his fixation with the Bay Turtles noses but he ain't wrong, is he? The noses do look odd and distracting.

I can see the appeal behind the idea of making the turtles so big. It's to convey how 'edgy' and 'badass' the characters are supposed to be and while I love them wouldn't really recommend Zulli's 'realism' approach for a mainstream version of the turtles I grudgingly respect they tried something like that for the movies.

I don't think it should have extended to giving them noses though. Leonardo had the most traditional TMNT face and he just had nostril slits which I could have lived with but the others having actual raised noses just did not hit the eye right at all. Personally I'm comfortable with the idea that the turtles have nostril holes that we just don't see, maybe a scene were one sneezes or sniffs something we can see them nostrils flare but otherwise we should stick with the traditional smooth rounded beak.

While we're on the subject of the designs the individualized clothes and accessories can get in the trash too. Putting aside that the gaudy crap actually detracts what they were trying to convey from the edgy, realistic thing they were shooting for with the turtles physical builds but it really didn't help anyone who didn't already know the characters tell them apart.

If you didn't already know that Leo was supposed to be leader and Splinter's #1 pupil what are you supposed to get from his look? You might wonder why only the one in blue is wearing cod Samurai gear, aren't they all supposed to be martial artists? Why is the one in read only wearing a loin cloth, is he a barbarian? What the hell is horny orange one doing with the shades and gold chains? The only one whose gear conveyed their personality was Don and boy did they lay that **** on thick. In many ways all that stuff made them harder to tell apart for someone who didn't already know them.

I used to think giving the turtles varying builds and facial types and even accessories was a good idea but it's been taken to such extremes I long for the days the all looked almost identical. If and when the next movie comes their designs need to be ultra traditional, leather belts, pads and straps for Don and Leo to carry their weapons. If they must differentiate the turtles it needs to subtle.

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Originally Posted by DarkFell (Post 1822673)
I don't care about the nostrils on the BayTurtles simply because I don't care enough to sit down and watch both BayTurtles movies. :ohwell:

Yeah I feel but my fear has always been that their designs choices would leak their way into other versions and lo and behold some artists working on the various IDW comics draw them with nostril slits which looks even weirder when they are put on more traditional looking turtles.

The Rise of... designs definitely have the stink of the PD movie influence from Raph being hulk sized to the various color coded crap they have on them.

IndigoErth 10-18-2019 08:50 PM

Although it's kind of funny that Mikey and Raph both have sunglasses, as well as the sweatshirt tired around Mikey's waist, when these things will never fit them. :tlol:

I don't mind of they have a little clothing and accessorizes, at least not this particular version, but I'd rather it stuck to what actually makes sense for them and what they'll really use.

No way should Donnie be bogged down by so much crap he's getting no use of... Narrow it down to what we'll actually see him use. Same with the CB radios they all had in 2016. Never touched even once, so what was the point. And while Leo's gear/clothing at least is all stuff that makes sense for him in OotS, he really should have used those throwing knives at least once, rather than just having them for looks.

Warhorse 12-31-2019 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by IndigoErth (Post 1822752)
I don't mind them being a little bigger than typical, esp if they were older and fully grown, but the size of a small truck... eh, no. Maybe keep them at or a few inches below average adult human height at most. None of this 6' and over business.

Definitely some conflict between the scenes of them as kids -- What were they, around 8? 10 at most? -- and the present day size of them when they're still supposed to be teens; or so they claim. You tellin' me in that short handful of years they grew and changed that much? :teek: Puberty happens, sure, but god damn, I don't care if your are mutants, no one looks like a 30-year-old spending too much time at the gym when they're still a teenager; the fully adult body just isn't there yet. :tlol: (Which is why they're adults in my head, no matter what those two movies claim.)


I'd say shrink everyone down to about Mikey's height at most. If there's anything he got the best of in these, design-wise, it's that he's the smallest of the bunch and not so overwhelmingly large.

I actually didn't mind them being taller myself. It's a shame they dropped the ball in the actual fighting department in these movies, because by increasing their heights, they had more flexibility on who they could hire to do the stunt work for them. But, I still like the idea of Mikey being the runt of the litter, but he makes up for it with speed and his personality.

As for the nostrils, like others, I actually didn't mind the way they had Leo and Donnie. Raph wasn't so bad, but Mikey was hideous, considering back in the 1990 movie, he probably had the best look out of all of the puppets.

So, I don't mind the nostrils, just need to tweek the faces a bit for Mikey and maybe Raph, and I do agree, they need to be not so large. They are supposed to be ninjas after all, not body builders.

But, I was kind of disappointed none of the turtles had brown eyes. They were either green or blue. Would it kill them to have a brown eyed Turtle? Or maybe even hazel, which would look neat with Raphael, because the hazel could look similar to his red mask.


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