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Zulithe 06-10-2019 02:17 AM

Ciro Nieli 'I feel like it will come back someday' denofgeek interview
 
Ciro is out promoting his new book The Art of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (from the 2012 Nick show) and this interview has a lot to dissect for fans of the show. It's a pretty long interview and they talk about quite a lot of things.

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I’m talking to Ciro Nieli, the executive producer of Nickelodeon’s 2012 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles TV series, about his upcoming book. In pulling together the behind-the-scenes designs and sketches for The Art Of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Nieli found himself doing more than curating a collection of images; he found himself reliving eight years of his life.

“If you include the book, it was close to nine,” he says.
More at the link:

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles interview: Ciro Nieli 'I feel like it will come back someday'

Also a reminder, the book comes out THIS TUESDAY so get a copy!

The Great Saiyaman 06-10-2019 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Zulithe (Post 1809124)
Ciro is out promoting his new book The Art of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (from the 2012 Nick show) and this interview has a lot to dissect for fans of the show. It's a pretty long interview and they talk about quite a lot of things.



More at the link:

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles interview: Ciro Nieli 'I feel like it will come back someday'

Also a reminder, the book comes out THIS TUESDAY so get a copy!

I fully intend in doing so, thanks for the link.

newfan 06-10-2019 02:45 AM

Some interesting things there that I didn't know, like he was asked to work on a Usagi series with Dark Horse right after but it never panned out, also he offered to work on Rise, I get his reasons for choosing not to.

It looks like (although he would still do the one off story he wanted to tell) that a special is unlikely at least for sometime, but I figured that recently anyway. I do wonder what his new show is though.

Vegita-San 06-10-2019 09:57 AM

just glad he's done with tmnt. didn't feel he was a good fit for it.....designs might have been ok, but story consistency was rather lacking.

i'd just rather let 2012, and with any luck the bigger mess that is rise, rest in pieces...and hope something comes along that can last ten years or more, so we stop with the constant reboots

Powder 06-10-2019 10:45 AM

Fantastic & relatively in-depth interview. Very interesting to know how the extent of his involvement in TMNT could have gone much further, but at the cost of his own insights. Probably made the right call. I'm sure he'll return to TMNT one day, at any rate.

What a shame that Usagi series fell through, though- damn!

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Originally Posted by Vegita-San (Post 1809142)
just glad he's done with tmnt. didn't feel he was a good fit for it.....

We get it, you're still bitter he told you off on Facebook after harassing him for a year. :tlol:

Andrew NDB 06-10-2019 11:22 AM

"So even before a season was begun it was keeping in mind, there’s gonna be this many mutants and this many figures and new outfits for the Turtles."

Redworld96 06-10-2019 03:53 PM

So .... how much it costs that artbook?

Anyway Hello guys, it has been a long time since the last time I read the forum.

IndigoErth 06-10-2019 07:49 PM

Darn it Nick/Viacom, let him make that special he wanted. Now that he's talked about it, it sounds pretty awesome.

sdp 06-10-2019 09:44 PM

Glad Ciro is not in Rise, didn't like his style and while I enjoyed 2012, it was lackluster. With that said I'd love a 2012 special/movie or whatever, maybe once enough years happen and some nostalgia kicks in.

They have the models after all, can't be all that expensive. 2012 could've easily had another season with some type of gimmick. It just seemed to end abruptly, even with 100+ episodes and most story arcs finished I kind of wanted a little more from the 2012 universe.

Mutant Apocalypse won't be matched though. Best finale ever.

Zulithe 06-11-2019 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Redworld96 (Post 1809184)
So .... how much it costs that artbook?

Anyway Hello guys, it has been a long time since the last time I read the forum.

$25 and change right now.

https://www.amazon.com/Art-Teenage-M...dp/1506709931/

Ranks among the best iterations of TMNT for me. It knew where to stick with what worked from before yet still innovate in other areas. Perfectly melds the best aspects of Mirage and Fred Wolf with some choice cherry picks from other iterations, while still packing in loads of new material. Criticisms can be made as with anything, but for me most of them stem from budgetary limitations or the realities of working on a show where toy concerns are part of the mandate. But when it shines, it shines bright!

CyberCubed 06-12-2019 03:44 PM

It's very likely the 2012 series gets revisited in a DVD/blu-ray movie at some point. We got both a Batman/TMNT crossover and Rise is getting a movie, 2012 getting one eventually makes sense.

The Great Saiyaman 06-12-2019 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed (Post 1809378)
It's very likely the 2012 series gets revisited in a DVD/blu-ray movie at some point. We got both a Batman/TMNT crossover and Rise is getting a movie, 2012 getting one eventually makes sense.

I would love to see the "Return of Kraang" idea worked out, older turtles but also older versions of April, Karai, Casey Jones, heck why not have an older Baxter Stockman appear. I would go at it from the way the Archie comics did the Future Turtles story arcs.

They could bring Jason Biggs back as the voice of the son of Leonardo.

It would be "So metal!"

cloud 06-13-2019 12:43 AM

I feel like the article is giving the 2012 series too much credit. THe best TMNT animate series is still the 2003. Unfortunately it didn't get the exposure that the 2012 did. It was still a strong show internationally.

The Great Saiyaman 06-13-2019 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by cloud (Post 1809407)
I feel like the article is giving the 2012 series too much credit. THe best TMNT animate series is still the 2003. Unfortunately it didn't get the exposure that the 2012 did. It was still a strong show internationally.

Well that might be your opinion, everybody else has a different one. The 2003 series was awesome but it had some serious flaws too. One of the most unforgiving ones was in "Turtles forever" the fact that they showcased the 1987 turtles totally out of character and voiced by different voice actors.

I mean come on, crying on 2003 Michelangelo's shoulder, to quote 1987 Raphael "give me a break!"

Another thing I didn't like about the 2003 series was how the whole family dynamic of the Turtles was pretty much forgotten about, the 2012 series showed the Turtles as being actual teenage brothers, giving each other a hard time and peer pressuring each other like real teen boys do.

newfan 06-13-2019 03:28 AM

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Originally Posted by The Great Saiyaman (Post 1809385)
I would love to see the "Return of Kraang" idea worked out, older turtles but also older versions of April, Karai, Casey Jones, heck why not have an older Baxter Stockman appear. I would go at it from the way the Archie comics did the Future Turtles story arcs.

They could bring Jason Biggs back as the voice of the son of Leonardo.

It would be "So metal!"

When Ciro talked about this previously I think he had them aged around 20 (also I remember in a Q&A that took place I think in the Monster arc special showing, he said that they were around 21 when the Mutagen Bomb went off so that ties in)

While I imagine they wouldn't be greatly different, there would likely be a lightly adjusted to bring them from teens to young adults, I would have been curious to see that. I'd rather it didn't go all the way to the bomb, given possible deaths :) but it wouldn't have to anyway.

With Nick not allowing the extra 6 eps while it was still airing, I can see them wanting a special any time soon even less but the speculation here is further down the line, who knows.

Leonardo2003 06-13-2019 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by The Great Saiyaman (Post 1809408)

Another thing I didn't like about the 2003 series was how the whole family dynamic of the Turtles was pretty much forgotten about, the 2012 series showed the Turtles as being actual teenage brothers, giving each other a hard time and peer pressuring each other like real teen boys do.

The 2003 series definitely had plenty of the brother/family dynamic. The turtles were just seemingly older than the 2012 turtles. They were a more mature family, the 2012 series felt like 13 year old turtles. While the 2003 felt closer to young adults

Zulithe 06-13-2019 01:38 PM

Ciro posted on Instagram that he will soon be offering signed copies for around $30 plus shipping. Read for more.

https://www.instagram.com/p/ByqUoKjpC8n/

TMNTmousers 06-17-2019 07:13 AM

Not as good as the 2003 series, but hope they continue with season 6 one day.

AquaParade 06-17-2019 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB (Post 1809154)
"So even before a season was begun it was keeping in mind, there’s gonna be this many mutants and this many figures and new outfits for the Turtles."

Yeah, gross from a storytelling perspective, but we've always known that to be the deal with these cartoons.

Really, it makes it all the more impressive how well this show turned out, all things considered. All in all, a pretty great rendition of the TMNT. Not my favorite, but more than I would have ever expected from a Nickelodeon TMNT cartoon, at the time of the sale. I mean, I actually do enjoy it, which was a stretch considering my preference for hand-drawn animation and the fact that I can count the number of Saturday morning cartoons I enjoy on one hand.

Vegita-San 06-17-2019 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by AquaParade (Post 1809632)
Yeah, gross from a storytelling perspective, but we've always known that to be the deal with these cartoons.

at least the more corporate cartoons.

I'd like to think that 4kids didn't have that problem at least.

The sad part is this show could have been truly great. but it suffered from rather weak villain stories..weak villains. and lack of direction. the long breaks didn't help it either, but all the elements where there for success.


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