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Originally Posted by Redeemer
I am not sure how much more clear I make this a metropolis the size of New York that allows citizens to legally own and possess guns has less murders than a city of equal size that has a zero tolerance and complete ban of guns!!!!! I would use a different city, but New York is the best example, bc of the population size is almost as exact as London. It increases the "internal validity" of the argument and sense that has happened across multiple months now that means the statistics are not "Out Liars" or statistical anomalies.
You can keep say it is not, but the facts say other wise...
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Okay have you heard of a thing called "nuance" New York isn't just a place where citizens can "legally own and possess guns" there is more to it than that, it also has one of the strictest gun laws in the country sitting at number 4 and seeing how you are against have stricter gun laws its a bad example on your point. Do you want stricter gun laws for this country?
https://www.deseretnews.com/top/1428...-gun-laws.html
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Originally Posted by Redeemer
here is also further proof that the argument that lax gun laws are the reason for higher homicide rates are false
https://bismarcktribune.com/news/nat...0bda8e.html#29
2 of the 3 top cities on this list have some of the toughest gun laws and other cities such as Oakland California, Washington DC and Chicago are also on that list, but despite having the toughest gun laws they have higher homicide rates than cities with lax gun laws like in Alaska or Wyoming
In fact here is how bad Chicago is
https://qz.com/1086403/fbi-crime-sta...to-do-with-it/ |
Ill give you Wyoming and Chicago but if you look at it state by state you would know that Alaska has a higher murder rate than California also the number 1 city is from a state that has lax gun control laws so again not helping your argument there.
https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/murder-...ally-and-state
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Originally Posted by Leo656
Or else it's cutting/self-mutilation, or whatever. All of this is relatively new, and it's being taught to them somehow. For hundreds of years, people didn't act this way, and now they do.
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Self Mutilation isn't a new thing, in fact it can be found far back in Ancient Greece where a Spartan leader was sent to the stocks for "strange behavior" and a serf noticed he was cutting himself.
https://www.npr.org/templates/story/...toryId=4697319
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Originally Posted by Leo656
PApagreg: There was nothing "Beyond Retarded" about anything I've said. If you're not going to offer anything productive, I'm going to disregard anything you say going forward. Nothing you have offered to the thread in any way disproves or counters any of the points I've offered. What point ARE you trying to make, anyway?
You've said... people have always been mean to each other in different ways, I think? What does that have to do with my points, exactly? Are you saying school shootings have always been a thing? They haven't. Are you saying teenagers have always reacted to rejection by slaughtering their peers en masse?
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There has been a total of three teenagers who shot up a school because of some form of rejection so its not like "values have changed" because most people today including teenagers still think school shootings are wrong and can healthy handle rejection and disappointment. Its like me looking at Ted Bundy or John Wayne Gacy and thinking "wow there must have been something wrong with people in the 70s, they should learn not to hurt people" generalizing today's teenagers and calling them "brittle" just because of what a total of three people did is not only stupid but very insulting hence why I said "it is beyond retarded"