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Old 09-15-2017, 02:31 PM   #1
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If you could make a TMNT 1990 Special Edition

In the same vein of how the Star Wars Special Edition came to be, what kind of adjustments would you make?

This means you can add CGI, add deleted scenes, make small audio adjustments, stuff like that.

You want all red bandanas? Go nuts.
Blood? Make it rain.

Just curious what you guys would do, if anything at all.
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Old 09-15-2017, 02:50 PM   #2
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Off the top of my head...

-Tighten up some lip syncing.
-Add blinking eyes.
-New orchestral score. I love John Du Prez’s score, don’t get me wrong, but I wouldn’t mind hearing something a bit more timeless as an alternative.
-Add blood where appropriate (Leo slices some guys pretty good in the movie)
-Re-add the scene where Shredder fights the foot soldiers.
-Re-add the scene of Mikey unable to cope with Splinters disappearance.
-Add a CG wide shot of the fight on the streets before the rooftop showdown to show the scope of the action.

This one ventures more into a fan-edit than anything but I’d like to keep Shredder completely mute until “Ah, the RAT! So it has a name. …It had a name.” I like the idea of Shredder being this imposing SOB who enters the roman without saying a word everyone goes silent.

Thats… about it, really.
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Old 01-24-2018, 10:10 AM   #3
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Off the top of my head...

-Tighten up some lip syncing.
-Add blinking eyes.
-New orchestral score. I love John Du Prez’s score, don’t get me wrong, but I wouldn’t mind hearing something a bit more timeless as an alternative.
-Add blood where appropriate (Leo slices some guys pretty good in the movie)
-Re-add the scene where Shredder fights the foot soldiers.
-Re-add the scene of Mikey unable to cope with Splinters disappearance.
-Add a CG wide shot of the fight on the streets before the rooftop showdown to show the scope of the action.

This one ventures more into a fan-edit than anything but I’d like to keep Shredder completely mute until “Ah, the RAT! So it has a name. …It had a name.” I like the idea of Shredder being this imposing SOB who enters the roman without saying a word everyone goes silent.

Thats… about it, really.
These are fantastic ideas. Mostly because they seem just within the realm of possibility. I can't imagine them adding blood, but I'd appreciate it. And I think the change to Shredder is unnecessary. Overall, these are some excellent changes.

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That's looking at being a teenager through a very human, very western lens. Don't. Growing up a teenager in a home with TV, school, school sports, popular kids, unpopular kids, "what do I wear today??", prom, etc., is quite different than growing up as a teenager in a sewer you've spent your whole life in, conditioned from almost birth by your "Dad" whose everyday main purpose is raising you to one day kill a man who is a master ninja. Most of the nonsense we equate to "average angsty teenagers" simply doesn't and cannot apply no matter how much various TMNT writers want it to ("I've always complained that the TMNT aren't like teenagers enough!!" blah blah).


Andrew, I see your reasoning, but if we're referencing the source material, even Mirage showed the turtles to act like human teenagers. They goofed off, they played, they lost their temper. In fact, Raphael having a short temper and lack of discipline/control was his first defining characteristic in the Mirage books. Being raised their whole lives to assassinate a man they never knew apparently wasn't enough to take the "teenage" out of them.

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Old 09-15-2017, 03:07 PM   #4
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Insert the following scenes.

Casey helping Raph walk around the house after his beatdown.

Casey and April come back from the grocery store.

Extended blindfold fight scene where Leo teaches them how to fight blind folded.

Raph finally learns how to fight blind folded in the barn.

Casey falling down the well.

Raph and Casey extended chase.

Extended apartment fight

Unconscious Raph being escorted to the van.

Extended angry Mikey barn scene.

Donnie upset barn scene.

There might be more so put them all in or have them on the Blu-ray as deleted scenes.

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Old 09-15-2017, 03:23 PM   #5
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* Digitally make all the bandannas red.
* CGI blinking eyes.
* CGI some better lip movement in places.
* With CGI, digitally construct some actual impact to the weapons fighting. Quick shots of Leonardo slashing down Foot, etc., with digital blood.
* Extended/deleted barn stuff.

That's all that comes to mind, really, in terms of what could be done to it without massively ripping it apart or fundamentally changing it.
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Old 09-15-2017, 03:59 PM   #6
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Oof, most of these sound awesome. The movie has a great foundation, but really could use some tightening, added scenes, and yes, blood. I probably wouldn't alter the musical score unless I had something really interesting in mind though.
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Old 09-15-2017, 04:05 PM   #7
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Pull up Leo's plastron.
Seriously, it looks like it's falling down like a bridemaid's strapless dress after the open bar portion of a wedding reception.
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Old 09-15-2017, 04:11 PM   #8
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I'd add in Shredder fight the Foot, restore Tatsu killing that kid and add Mikey's voice to the barn roof scene.

And Of course "all red feature", same movie but the masks are recolored red.

I don't think redoing the lipsynching and adding eye blinking would add much to the movie. Too good lipsynching can make things look odd and off putting.

And add as much as possible to bonus features, original trailer before the voice actors where in, deleted scenes, interviews and bts videos/photos.
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Old 09-15-2017, 04:16 PM   #9
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Old 09-21-2017, 12:18 PM   #10
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I wouldn't need to make a special edition, I think the 1990 film is special how it its
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Old 10-16-2017, 11:42 AM   #11
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I wouldn't EDIT the actual film in any way except to maybe add the supposed deleted scenes with Mikey in the barn etc and to darken or erase those areas where the turtle actor's faces are visible. I would add the nonexistent 2 hour documentary on the making of the film that needs to happen, the Steve Barron commentary on the German release and probably just a trailer and actor bios. Maybe include a few key issues of Mirage on a second disc that directly inspired or made it into the film.
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Old 01-24-2018, 12:43 AM   #12
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That's looking at being a teenager through a very human, very western lens. Don't. Growing up a teenager in a home with TV, school, school sports, popular kids, unpopular kids, "what do I wear today??", prom, etc., is quite different than growing up as a teenager in a sewer you've spent your whole life in, conditioned from almost birth by your "Dad" whose everyday main purpose is raising you to one day kill a man who is a master ninja. Most of the nonsense we equate to "average angsty teenagers" simply doesn't and cannot apply no matter how much various TMNT writers want it to ("I've always complained that the TMNT aren't like teenagers enough!!" blah blah).
but isn't this also looking at the turtles through a very mirage lens. The characters in the original movie aren't the same as the ones in the comics. Splinter didn't train them from mutation to kill a man. he just wanted them to be able to protect themselves from a world that would never understand them.
These guys have never had to kill before and only had their first real fight shortly before meeting april. Under those circumstances whether you think they have anything in common with "normal" teenagers or not you can still accept that they've suddenly been thrown into a strange new dynamic. For the first time in their lives they don't have their father to guide them and are left to make their own way in a world they've only had limited interaction with up to that point.
When finally face to face with the man responsible for taking splinter from them and he's taunting them he might be dead it's perfectly reasonable for Leo to act like an angsty teen in that moment imo. Because really what is a teenager but a young person who's trying to figure the world and themselves out while learning to function independent from a parental figure.
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but isn't this also looking at the turtles through a very mirage lens. The characters in the original movie aren't the same as the ones in the comics. Splinter didn't train them from mutation to kill a man. he just wanted them to be able to protect themselves from a world that would never understand them.
These guys have never had to kill before and only had their first real fight shortly before meeting april. Under those circumstances whether you think they have anything in common with "normal" teenagers or not you can still accept that they've suddenly been thrown into a strange new dynamic. For the first time in their lives they don't have their father to guide them and are left to make their own way in a world they've only had limited interaction with up to that point.
When finally face to face with the man responsible for taking splinter from them and he's taunting them he might be dead it's perfectly reasonable for Leo to act like an angsty teen in that moment imo. Because really what is a teenager but a young person who's trying to figure the world and themselves out while learning to function independent from a parental figure.
Well it kind of comes down to how it would come down in any other franchise. If you don't want your new thing to adhere to how they're supposed to be in the source material... well, I guess you can really do whatever you want. I mean, go ahead, if that's what you wanna do. You can do whatever.

But then... that's just you doing whatever.
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I think TMNT 1990 is perfect the way it is, though some bonus features such as an audio commentary and interviews with the cast would be nice.

There is already a 30-minute documentary “Making of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles” on the TMNT 1990 uk dvd, at least on the one I got as part of a 3-disc movie collection with all 3 90s live-action movies.
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Old 03-13-2018, 08:38 PM   #15
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Id want Shout Factory to do the Special Edition they have done some great ones of Bill and Ted and Army of Darkness. They get my seal of approval. Add in some special features and other things.
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Id want Shout Factory to do the Special Edition they have done some great ones of Bill and Ted and Army of Darkness. They get my seal of approval. Add in some special features and other things.
That's who I'd want to do it too. Although, as far as I know, they don't have much of a history with Warner Bros. When they announced their special edition of The Lawnmower Man, a film distributed by New Line Cinemas, many people, including myself, inquired about the possibility of WB/NLC releases. Shout said they licensed the film from another company. Bummer.

WB may not be motivated to license their catalog titles since they have Warner Archives now. WAC has been expanding their catalogue, including Blu Ray releases of Batman: Mask of the Phantasm, Batman & Mr. Freeze: Sub-Zero, Leatherface: Texas Chainsaw Massacre III, and recently the TV cut of Superman: The Movie. As far as I'm aware, they don't produce new features for these releases, so if they did TMNT, it would probably still be bare bones.

Granted, Shout can be a little hit and miss on special features, as well.
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There is already a 30-minute documentary “Making of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles” on the TMNT 1990 uk dvd, at least on the one I got as part of a 3-disc movie collection with all 3 90s live-action movies.
That was from around the time of the film's release. Something more up to date but be appreciated.

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WB may not be motivated to license their catalog titles since they have Warner Archives now. WAC has been expanding their catalogue, including Blu Ray releases of Batman: Mask of the Phantasm, Batman & Mr. Freeze: Sub-Zero, Leatherface: Texas Chainsaw Massacre III, and recently the TV cut of Superman: The Movie.
What has left me scratching my head is why they haven't added any extras for Mask of the Phantasm which is seen by the fans as probably the best Batman movie ever. It's extremely odd considering Warner are prepping to release the animated series on blu-ray later this year.
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