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Old 07-24-2017, 06:35 PM   #7361
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but being nice tends to mean 'boring' to most.
Because it is! If all you are is nice then you've got a terrible personality!

Also, I believe you mean milquetoast, not milk toast. Don't use words you can't spell.
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Old 07-24-2017, 06:36 PM   #7362
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First, it's "milquetoast". Second, it doesn't help you're "I'm a nice guy" argument when you whine about how women won't date you. Because if you were a truly "nice" person, you wouldn't be using that as a defining point of your personality...especially these days. "Nice guy" has become the 2010's "desperate", even if it was unintentional.

And as a woman, looking at men who say they're "nice guys" who "can't catch a break", I get suspicious. If you have to tell us upfront you're "a nice guy", we think the opposite. If we think a man is "nice", it's because we've determined it for ourselves without having to be told.
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Old 07-24-2017, 06:42 PM   #7363
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Old 07-24-2017, 06:42 PM   #7364
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I dunno... I never considered 'nice' and 'interesting' to be mutually exclusive. It's only boring if someone's main focus in life seems to be earning someone else's attention/affection and/or clinging to them rather than still also living their own life and having interesting interests, hobbies, passions, work, etc to bring to the table. (Not necessarily all required or in that order of course.)


If a person's friend asked them to tell her/him about the person they've been seeing/talking to and all they had to say was "he/she's nice," I think that would understandably sound pretty dull and "why bother" if there doesn't seem to be anything they could actually click over or admire/respect/appreciate in the other person.



edit: I'm not going to sit here and act like I'm all that interesting myself, I'm sure I'm pretty dull to plenty and I'm not even the sort that likes talking about myself much. I'm not really one for living a wild crazy life and I'm fine with it if a guy prefers a rather tranquil life too that isn't going to sound too interesting to some others. I do not however want to be his hobby nor the only thing he has going. There might be some high maintenance women who want to be the center of everything, but those who are not are prob going to be turned off by a guy trying to make her that. I'd far rather be able to tell friends about the things he's passionate about, the stuff he values, etc... and that he's a total sweetie on top of it.

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Old 07-24-2017, 06:55 PM   #7365
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I dunno... I never considered 'nice' and 'interesting' to be mutually exclusive.
Who said that they are? I said if that's ALL you've got going for you, then yeah, you boring as ****. But someone can be nice AND funny AND smart AND interesting. Let's be real, though, Vegita-San claims to be a nice guy, but we know he isn't due to all the complaining he does. He isn't funny either, and he sure isn't smart with his "milk toast" spelling. The most unique thing about him is being a 40 year old virgin.
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Old 07-24-2017, 06:55 PM   #7366
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"Courteous" and "nice" aren't mutually exclusive either, which I think is what most "Nice Guys™" mistake for "nice". Which is another thing you never do when you anticipate getting a girlfriend. We can open our own doors. We can pull out our own seats. And it's yet one more thing that you never, ever verbally express to a woman.

You might not notice it if you spend an entire date complaining about things, but women do, and it's off putting.
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Old 07-24-2017, 06:57 PM   #7367
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Who said that they are? I said if that's ALL you've got going for you, then yeah, you boring as ****.
Don't assume it was in response to you, it wasn't.
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Old 07-24-2017, 07:01 PM   #7368
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Old 07-24-2017, 07:27 PM   #7369
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One thing I've always noticed about "nice guys" is that they punch waaaaaay above their weight class with women. Supermodel types aren't going to date your typical internet dweller. Yet if a girl more in their weight class comes along and shows interest, they put her down for not being good enough for them.

Also noticed most "nice guys" give all the red flags of being super controlling in relationships. Like you're expected to do what they say with no question and be available to them whenever they want, who cares what you want. Seems like a lot of them want suuuuuper young girls or foreign girls because they're easier to control.

I had nice guy experience. He was nice for like a week. Then he became super abusive, mentally and physically, and super controlling. He was so insecure about me leaving him. All he did was make me want to get rid of him. And I did. I don't play that game.

I never trust anyone who leads with how nice they are and how much better they will treat me. It's bullsh!t.
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Old 07-24-2017, 07:48 PM   #7370
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In a new issue...

Microchip implants = Mark of the Beast

I mean...how???

Sure, there might be some moral discussion with microchip implants, but "mark of the beast" is hardly an argument. Invasion of privacy is one (except that they won't have GPS), and the issues of having a foreign object in one's body is another, and what happens when someone leaves that job for one reason or another.

And God knows Matt Groening needs to have accidentally predicted another thing twenty years ahead of when they happened. First President Trump, now "career chips"?
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Old 07-24-2017, 08:14 PM   #7371
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If a person's friend asked them to tell her/him about the person they've been seeing/talking to and all they had to say was "he/she's nice," I think that would understandably sound pretty dull and "why bother" if there doesn't seem to be anything they could actually click over or admire/respect/appreciate in the other person.


yep, bingo. that's all i was trying to get at. and sometimes even if you do have something that clicks, some people arn't always interested in the nice guy. some guys or gals go for someone with a little more, if not danger to them, at least a spark of something beyond nice. adventure, excitement, un unexpectedness....they could have all the physical parameters down that a person looks for, but if all they are is please yes and thank you....that might get boring after a while.

oh well.. onto the next...
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Old 07-24-2017, 08:19 PM   #7372
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In a new issue...

Microchip implants = Mark of the Beast

I mean...how???

Sure, there might be some moral discussion with microchip implants, but "mark of the beast" is hardly an argument. Invasion of privacy is one (except that they won't have GPS), and the issues of having a foreign object in one's body is another, and what happens when someone leaves that job for one reason or another.

And God knows Matt Groening needs to have accidentally predicted another thing twenty years ahead of when they happened. First President Trump, now "career chips"?
Mark of the beast is both a chip and a tattoo of sorts. Used to show loyatly and allow purchasing after the Rapture....

So, they tell these folks the chip won't have gps, but will they be able to tell? What are the downsides to having this thing imbedded in their body? Quit, and it has to come out... Habe some kind of accident and its cracked or broken under the skin and employee gets sick?

No person should allow anything to be embedded under their skin in order to get a job... or buy/sell goods.
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Old 07-24-2017, 08:23 PM   #7373
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Exactly. Being nice to some one isn't a golden ticket into their pants. And if you're being nice to someone in order to get into your their pants, I've got news for you....you're not that nice.



Maybe dudes should stop treating 'chics' like they're vending machines that you put nice into, and get sex out of.

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I have no desire for hookups. I'm tired of being genuinely interested in a woman, only to find out I'm good enouh to talk to and build her confidence up just for her to go sleep with some ******* with a beard, a ton of cash and treats her like crap as he flirts with every other woman with low standards and large assets...
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Old 07-24-2017, 08:28 PM   #7374
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The biggest thing is that Charlie DOESN'T have a chance, which is why the UK doctors had to make the tough call to stop treating him. Because as sad as it is to let a literal baby die from his condition, it's barbaric to put him through a therapy that hasn't had any testing, and would only force him to grow up with no quality of life, having to depend on doctors and hospitalization until the day he dies. Which is happening anyway.
The problem is here is that had the parents been allowed to try this treatment, it would have been months ago where it might have been possible, even remotely, to make a difference. But we will never know because the hospital said "nah, it ain't worth it" and stopped treating the kid... same thing happened to my Gram 2 years ago when they said shehad cancer and she wantes treatment but they wouldn't so she died. Doctor almost got a fist in the face when he told my Aunt & dad that "why bother since shes so old?". That was his ENTIRE reason for not treating her. Doctors should not get that choice. The patient or their loved ones.

Hell, it took like 20 years and six doctors before I got a ct scan and simple bloodwork that showed the tumor in my head. All because those doctors knew better and I didn't need bloodwork or a ct scan...
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Yeah, apparently being regarded as a friend is punishment
Not so much punishment, but if a woman keeps flirting after a guy expresses interest AND keeps sending pics of her cleavage, or pics of her just wearing bubbles in the tub.... stop being a tease. No one wants to be teased or lead on...

If you aren't interested, its pretty easy to make sure you don't keep showing an interest thats not really there.
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Old 07-24-2017, 08:57 PM   #7376
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With someone who does that stuff, makes me wonder how they'd react if you (figurative 'you') fought back and did fun stuff hanging out with and meeting other people, including members of the opposite sex, then sent fun 'selfie' pics with said opposite sex members to the 'tease' and tell them all about the GREAT time you've been having, ensuring to go on and on about it.




Grind... my Brother in law dragging a presumably wet (via basement rain water) carpet up from the basement. It must have been rubbing against the open basement and porch doors on it's way out to the porch (directly across from each other), just on the other side of the computer room door, that was making some freaky noise. We'd been having a storm, with warnings, and though it has now past the nearest thing my mind could come up with was it sounding like a weird wind, getting louder as it went, and suddenly worrying there was a tornado or something. Too tired and worn out from work the past days for this crap or thinking of slightly more reasonable explanations. lol

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Old 07-24-2017, 10:16 PM   #7377
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I have no desire for hookups. I'm tired of being genuinely interested in a woman, only to find out I'm good enouh to talk to and build her confidence up just for her to go sleep with some ******* with a beard, a ton of cash and treats her like crap as he flirts with every other woman with low standards and large assets...
Women aren't vending machines that you put nice into and get sex out of.
You are not entitled to sex because you listen.
You are not entitled to a relationship because you engage in the minimum amount of effort it takes to be a decent human being.

We are not the participation trophy you're looking for.
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Old 07-24-2017, 10:39 PM   #7378
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Women aren't vending machines that you put nice into and get sex out of.
You are not entitled to sex because you listen.
You are not entitled to a relationship because you engage in the minimum amount of effort it takes to be a decent human being.

We are not the participation trophy you're looking for.
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We haven't agreed on much before, but I salute this post. Well said.
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Old 07-25-2017, 12:52 AM   #7379
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Women aren't vending machines that you put nice into and get sex out of.
You are not entitled to sex because you listen.
You are not entitled to a relationship because you engage in the minimum amount of effort it takes to be a decent human being.

We are not the participation trophy you're looking for.
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We haven't agreed on much before, but I salute this post. Well said.
Agreed.
If only more people realized all that.
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Old 07-25-2017, 05:40 AM   #7380
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Not so much punishment, but if a woman keeps flirting after a guy expresses interest AND keeps sending pics of her cleavage, or pics of her just wearing bubbles in the tub.... stop being a tease. No one wants to be teased or lead on...

If you aren't interested, its pretty easy to make sure you don't keep showing an interest thats not really there.
If it is flirting, though. So many guys just assumes being nice or engage in a conversation with them is flirting, to the point I've gotten a whole lot more reserved and near stopped using smileys and emojis when dealing with guys I don't know, cause just a simple smiley seems to mean "I want you now and send all the dick pics".
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