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Old 09-14-2017, 07:21 AM   #81
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I think you need to revise your understanding of American History, if you honestly believe that terrorism wasn't an issue during previous immigrant waves.

Fear and threat of terrorism had been used against immigrant classes since the very beginning.
This is no different.

And zapp's opinion on religion?
Used to be leveled Catholics.
We've had exactly one Catholic President for pretty much all of the same reasons he says we should be afraid of Islam.

None of these arguments are new, they are just as short-sighted and ill-informed now as they were the last time they were trotted out.
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Old 09-14-2017, 03:22 PM   #82
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I don't remember hearing about terrorism being a big issue back in the day. Maybe they did think of terrorism back then, but it's more prevalent now that these people who come over here are not all good people and some of them are radical terrorists. But, hey, we should just accept everybody with open arms and then let them kill us, right? Great logic right there, but this doesn't surprise me from someone who thinks incest is perfectly natural and should be accepted in society.
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Terrorism, in the definition we know today, was not considered a threat during the first immigrant waves. Not sure where you heard that.

The discrimination came mostly from citizens who thought the catholics/irish/jews would disrupt the values that were already in place.

Everyone forgets that the German and Dutch immigrants that came 30 years or so before the second wave actually settled quite nicely.
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Old 09-14-2017, 05:24 PM   #84
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Terrorism, in the definition we know today, was not considered a threat during the first immigrant waves. Not sure where you heard that.

The discrimination came mostly from citizens who thought the catholics/irish/jews would disrupt the values that were already in place.

Everyone forgets that the German and Dutch immigrants that came 30 years or so before the second wave actually settled quite nicely.
Actually, Germans have suffered some discrimination in USA. It got worse during the world wars. I believe many changed their names to English versions. Braun became Brown and Schmidt became Smith, for example.

So many Americans claim German ancestry but it seems Americans of Irish and Italian ancestry have been able to flaunt and keep their culture more alive.
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Old 09-14-2017, 06:29 PM   #85
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Old 09-14-2017, 08:08 PM   #86
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Man, I don't think I'd ever want to work in a skyscraper, at least not in the top floors. If you work above the 50th floor and there is a fire or something and you gotta evacuate it must be very hard, since you're not supposed to use the elevators when there's a fire. Not to mention the people who were above the impact zone in those towers pretty much had no chance of getting out of there. And if any did, not many have been saved, I bet.
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So many Americans claim German ancestry but it seems Americans of Irish and Italian ancestry have been able to flaunt and keep their culture more alive.
Most of that happened after those particular ethnic groups came to political power, but not before. Speaking specifically of the Italian American community in my part of the country, many second generation Italian Americans were not taught to read or speak in their dialect.

The biggest wave of Italian immigrants came at the turn of the 20th century, when Italy was just unifying and Italian wasn't quite standardized yet.

But there were big issues with the Italian Anarchist movement, and regular Italians being equated with mobsters.

The great Molasses Flood, caused by incompetence, was blamed on Italian anarchists.

And this doesn't go anywhere near the prejudice and bigotry of Chinese Exclusion Act, or the Japanese concentration camps of WWII.
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The biggest wave of Italian immigrants came at the turn of the 20th century, when Italy was just unifying and Italian wasn't quite standardized yet.
Italy united during the mid-19th century.
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Italy united during the mid-19th century.
Library of Congress says late 19th, so I went with that.

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What brought about this dramatic surge in immigration? The causes are complex, and each hopeful individual or family no doubt had a unique story. By the late 19th century, the peninsula of Italy had finally been brought under one flag, but the land and the people were by no means unified.
https://www.loc.gov/teachers/classro.../italian3.html
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Terrorism, in the definition we know today, was not considered a threat during the first immigrant waves. Not sure where you heard that.

The discrimination came mostly from citizens who thought the catholics/irish/jews would disrupt the values that were already in place.

Everyone forgets that the German and Dutch immigrants that came 30 years or so before the second wave actually settled quite nicely.
Yep, that's what I remember too. It wasn't about people killing each other, it was just about people who were different and how that would disrupt everything. But nowadays, things have changed and you have to worry about it whether you like it or not.
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Most of Italy had been united by 1861. The Papal States joined by 1870-1871, completing it.
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Most of Italy had been united by 1861. The Papal States joined by 1870-1871, completing it.
I can see the Papal States joining the Union as a huge impetus for especially Catholic Italians to BrExit, if you will. As for my own family it was the Rumblings of a volcano that brought us to America.

And when they got here they were often accused of Anarchy by virtue of being Italian, and weren't considered white on the US Census.

A fact that every Italian American organization I've witnessed has very loudly mentioned, right along with the fact that they were discouraged from speaking their own language. And then in the next breath the old be in favor of denying bilingual education two later waves of immigrants.

The hell of a thing.
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Since USA is so big, did people who live far from New York feel scared that day? I mean, Los Angles and NYC are what, as far as Portugal and Russia are from each other, more or less?
Can say for my experience in Russia.

I remember playing NES all day and then turning on TV broadcast in 6 of evening. All channels, even entertaining ones that did not normally had news programs were showing records of planes hitting skyscrapers.

My first feeling was, sort of ir-reality of everything. Like what I was watching on TV looked like some kind of an action movie. Later that day I felt like the world is on the brink of the big war, because, it really felt like a game-changer event.
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Can say for my experience in Russia.

I remember playing NES all day and then turning on TV broadcast in 6 of evening. All channels, even entertaining ones that did not normally had news programs were showing records of planes hitting skyscrapers.

My first feeling was, sort of ir-reality of everything. Like what I was watching on TV looked like some kind of an action movie. Later that day I felt like the world is on the brink of the big war, because, it really felt like a game-changer event.
I honestly don't remember playing video games or watching cartoons at all during that day, even though we had two TVs at the time already and my family was watching the news in the living room, while the tv in my brother's room was free.

I didn't think a big war was gonna happen. I was 10 years old at the time and thus too young to comprehend how the world works still. I didn't even know what the WTC was until that day, so I had no emotional attachment to those skyscrapers. After all these years I think of them as "those two big towers that fell". I had no idea they were so well known worldwide. I only knew of the Empire State Building.

I think news stations worldwide began live coverage a few minutes after the first tower was hit. So those buildings must have been very important to the world economy for the media all over the world to immediately start covering it after the first plane hit.

Like I've said, I only recall being sad in the previous days to it due to school being close to restarting. It started two days after the attacks. I remember the attacks being discussed a bit and mentioned by a couple of teachers at school in the first couple of days.

Btw, when did it become confirmed who did those attacks? I mean, once the 2nd plane hit it was pretty much a given already that those weren't just horrific accidents, and the pentagon plane and the one that crashed in the countryside confirmed it, but I remember in 2002 and 2003 many people still not being sure who did it. Or maybe that was just people being sceptical.
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