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Old 11-27-2017, 01:24 PM   #1
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Marvel writer getting blowback for sharing milkshake picture

It's true:

http://www.upworthy.com/marvel-write...y-as-it-sounds
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Old 11-27-2017, 01:24 PM   #2
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Did you just find this today?
This whole thing happened over the summer.
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A lot just get older and older and angrier and angrier, all the while waiting for the world to bend to their whim, never, ever really being satisfied with any of the "victories" achieved at large and wondering why no one outside of whatever construct bubble they've placed themself [sic] (look, I did it!) in wants to mess with them.
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Old 11-27-2017, 01:33 PM   #3
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Did you just find this today?
This whole thing happened over the summer.
Yeah, this is the first time I've seen this.
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Old 11-27-2017, 02:16 PM   #4
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IIRC this happened during the whole feigbuster nonsense. guess it just got posted at the wrong time because people thought it was trying to post a message.

there are times one has to step away from the pc for a while to regain ones sanity....
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Old 11-27-2017, 02:20 PM   #5
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Yeah, this is the first time I've seen this.
Oh...well welcome to this particular corner of the internet.
Fanboys got buttmad because...uh...women write/edit/draw comics and also enjoy beverages?

It's so hard to keep track of all the things that trigger them, there's just so many.
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Old 11-27-2017, 02:44 PM   #6
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I think them just being women was what set the whiny manchildren off.
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Old 11-27-2017, 03:25 PM   #7
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One might say this is what really kicked off Marvel's downward spiral this year. I noticed after this that a LOT of Youtube critics like Diversity & Comics, Capn Cummings, and Captain Frugal all got very popular
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Old 11-27-2017, 03:27 PM   #8
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I think them just being women was what set the whiny manchildren off.
sure....one might think comments like these weren't what set people off in the first place .

probably popping up after one or two jerks who should have been ignored replied rudely to the picture. and then it probably spread from there, if I had to take a guess.

as for the decline of marvel, seems like that happened long before this picture.
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Old 11-27-2017, 03:28 PM   #9
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There are a few mother's-basement-dwelling cretins who are aggressively/desperately trying to make a "Gamergate of comics" happen, and as I recall they were all over this as well, trying to invent a controversy to push their alt-right agenda the same way.

I mean, as an industry, comics has a huge sexism problem that's only verrrry slowly improving. Sadly, that's like most industries... But it always bums me out in particular when it's so pronounced in "geek culture" kind of spaces. The idea of sci-fi and speculative fiction being so restricted to one narrow perspective or "voice" is insanity. And getting angry that women work in and enjoy comics is insanity. These are concepts and characters with wide, universal appeal, after all, and an almost limitless potential for growth and adaptability.

As far as I'm concerned, anyone who's more concerned with "protecting their clubhouse" than sharing what they love with as many people as possible... doesn't really love it at all. That's not fandom. That's emotional stuntedness and an unearned sense of ownership and control. Which is exactly the attitude that will kill the comics industry stone dead if the creeps win and it's allowed to dominate the culture.

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The comics alt-righters sure concentrated their efforts around that time, yeah. But I think you can attribute their falling sales to Marvel's overall marketing/editorial mismanagement: constant, confusing relaunches (to try to milk new #1s) and the heavy push of truly awful, never-ending event comics that exist only to lead into the next awful, never-ending event comics.

Personally, I feel that Civil War II was the breaking point. That whole event was wretched and damned near inescapable, and I feel it was a jumping-off point for a lot of readers.
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Old 11-27-2017, 03:52 PM   #10
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The only valid criticism of that image would be something like "Nobody cares about milkshakes. Get back to work." and even then, probably only from their boss. Like.. "That better not have come out of petty cash!"

I feel bad for anyone in comics right now because the state of the industry isn't really their fault. It's like an oil tanker that is heading into a reef, the rudders are unresponsive and the captain jumped overboard hours ago. Those ladies are just the next in line to stand on the bridge and hope for the best.
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Old 11-27-2017, 04:38 PM   #11
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Had to go listen to Kelis after reading this thread.
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Old 11-28-2017, 10:43 AM   #13
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I feel bad for anyone in comics right now because the state of the industry isn't really their fault. It's like an oil tanker that is heading into a reef, the rudders are unresponsive and the captain jumped overboard hours ago. Those ladies are just the next in line to stand on the bridge and hope for the best.
Prominent Marvel writers having meltdowns on social media over the last few years isn't so great for their corporate image, either.

I've been reading some back issues of the Miles Morales Spider-Man and some of the new Ms. Marvel, along with Civil War II, which I actually somewhat enjoyed. Even the current run on She-Hulk, which has been a radical departure from what people are used to seeing from her, has had some good moments. With the exception of Ironheart, who feels like a bad fanfiction character, the "replacements" aren't so bad, really, even for someone like me who doesn't care much for the regressive Left. But I also know when I'm being pandered to, and I feel it is an insult to people's intelligence.

All this political back and forth is bad for the industry and bad for the characters. I also wish they'd reduce the number of ongoing series to focus on the narratives, and stop the decompressed storytelling. I didn't appreciate the new She-Hulk until I read the first trade of it; some of these arcs just work better as novel-length adventures.

In the 60s, you had Spider-Man, Thor, The Avengers, the FF, and and the X-Men, along with solo series for Hulk and Dr. Strange, right? That's maybe seven series to follow, if not much more than that? At the moment, Marvel has seventy-three ongoing series.

If only they'd make the monthlies more accessible to new people/normies/MCU fans while crafting OGNs for the hardcore crowd. They'd probably make more money that way.
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