[Question] Moving threads from Confidential forums to regular forums?

[Ulisses31]

Please see this thread: http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/sho...742#post749742

Was moved from the Volcanic Asteroid, exposing the posts made by users that replied knowing that their replies would be read only by people with permission to enter in that particular forum.

I believe that, if the thread had no reason to be in that particular forum, it could be deleted or closed, never moved... exposing confidential information.

And prior to that, the Moderator that did that moving, should ask the author about his reasons to open it in there... but that is not the question here, I don´t want to discuss a Moderator actions but a forum rule.

If it is not a regular forum, the author should have a reason to do so... is not a matter of opening threads about MOTU Art in the TMNT toys forum... and moving it to the right forum.

The way someone see himself can be a difficult subject, that forum can provide the right environment to expose our feelings because of its confidentiality.

Replies like this, made only before the discussion move to regular forums:

Originally Posted by Ai

So who are the nine people who think they aren't nerds, and yet they post on a TMNT board? I want names.

Can be seen as an harassment to users self esteem...

So I request to have it moved again to its original forum, or deleted.



I believe that moving threads from VA to regular forums can undermine its users confidence to reveal their thoughts about the kind of matter discussed there.

It´s a question of principles... and keeping users confidence to post in confidential forums.

So the question is - Moving threads from Confidential forums to regular forums should be forbidden?
I believe that it should.

[Ai]

It's not like if I don't get names, there's going to be trouble. And I was joking. If you want me to delete it, I will.

[Ulisses31]

Originally Posted by Ai

It's not like if I don't get names, there's going to be trouble. And I was joking. If you want me to delete it, I will.

Thanks for your concern, if names were needed the poll would be made public from the start, but...

This is not about you, is about the confidential forum rules.

Originally Posted by Ulisses31

I believe that moving threads from VA to regular forums can undermine its users confidence to reveal their thoughts about the kind of matter discussed there.

It´s a question of principles... and keeping users confidence to post in confidential forums.

So the question is - Moving threads from Confidential forums to regular forums should be forbidden? I believe that it should.

So if you believe that no harm was intended just keep the post, if you see it from a new point of view and you now can see it as inconvenient, please act the way that you feel is the right way.

Again thanks for your concern

[plastroncafe]

*confused*

I didn't realize that The VA was "confidential". I kind of thought it was just more heavily monitored. I mean...it's not like we don't all know who's in there. Krang had people request permission in the question forum.

[Ulisses31]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

*confused*

I didn't realize that The VA was "confidential". I kind of thought it was just more heavily monitored. I mean...it's not like we don't all know who's in there. Krang had people request permission in the question forum.

I believe it is confidential and only who have permission can read and post there.

Originally Posted by Krang

The Volcanic Asteroid is a new forum section for the discussion of controversial topics such as religion and politics. Since those topics often lead to debate and heated discussion, you must request permission by posting a reply here before you are able to access the section.

If it is not confidential (I can´t tell because I´m in there since the start so I don´t know how unauthorized users see it) it is a big error, because someone that is not authorized could just read it and start to harass other users about their belief using PM´s or visitor messages.

Do you see my point?

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by Ulisses31

The way someone see himself can be a difficult subject, that forum can provide the right environment to expose our feelings because of its confidentiality.

Dude, it's the internet... no one knows you lol.

Replies like this, made only before the discussion move to regular forums:

Can be seen as an harassment to users self esteem...

Don't be so sensitive, it was a obviously a joke.

Shouldn't there be a rule concerning having a sense of humor?

[plastroncafe]

Originally Posted by Ulisses31

I believe it is confidential and only who have permission can read and post there.



If it is not confidential (I can´t tell because I´m in there since the start so I don´t know how unauthorized users see it) it is a big error, because someone that is not authorized could just read it and start to harass other users about their belief using PM´s or visitor messages.

Do you see my point?

It's possible we have two different definitions of "confidential" here.
To me confidential means that my name is not attached to my words. Like a ballot.

When I respond to stuff on the VA my name is next to my words. When I requested to join the VA I had to do so in a public section of the Board.
There's nothing confidential about that in the slightest.

To be honest, I didn't even notice the thread had moved until you brought up the point.

[Ulisses31]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

Dude, it's the internet... no one knows you lol.
Don't be so sensitive, it was a obviously a joke.
Shouldn't there be a rule concerning having a sense of humor?

I don´t know about you, but I´m very well known, my real name and address is not a secret, nor my ideas or interests, I´m in this kind of forums from a long time, like many people here, and I don´t want to see any punk just messing with me because I consider myself this or that... furthermore when I have revealed it in a confidential place to only authorized people.

And I´m not starting this question only because of me, nothing in that particular thread is specially revealed, but to draw a line from the start, between the confidential and the regular forums.

You really had never read my posts because then you would never question my sense of humor...

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

It's possible we have two different definitions of "confidential" here.
To me confidential means that my name is not attached to my words. Like a ballot.

By confidential I mean secret and hidden to who is not authorized to read and post there.
You know who is there, and that gives you a better understanding about who is reading what you post.

Your post are read only by authorized users and can´t be read by everyone, included visitors.

Do you see... to me is very different knowing who goes to AA or knowing what is said in the AA reunion.

You can go to a priest to confess and everyone see you entering in the chapel, but what you said to him will be kept between you and the priest, is confidential and not public... hope this explain my point of view.

[gobo]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

*confused*

I didn't realize that The VA was "confidential".

"Priveleged information"" is "confidential" by definition, and the Volcanic Asteroid is a privelege, not a right.

[Archon_Turtle]

Originally Posted by Ulisses31

Please see this thread: http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/sho...742#post749742

Was moved from the Volcanic Asteroid, exposing the posts made by users that replied knowing that their replies would be read only by people with permission to enter in that particular forum.

I believe that, if the thread had no reason to be in that particular forum, it could be deleted or closed, never moved... exposing confidential information.

And prior to that, the Moderator that did that moving, should ask the author about his reasons to open it in there... but that is not the question here, I don´t want to discuss a Moderator actions but a forum rule.

If it is not a regular forum, the author should have a reason to do so... is not a matter of opening threads about MOTU Art in the TMNT toys forum... and moving it to the right forum.

The way someone see himself can be a difficult subject, that forum can provide the right environment to expose our feelings because of its confidentiality.

Replies like this, made only before the discussion move to regular forums:



Can be seen as an harassment to users self esteem...

So I request to have it moved again to its original forum, or deleted.



I believe that moving threads from VA to regular forums can undermine its users confidence to reveal their thoughts about the kind of matter discussed there.

It´s a question of principles... and keeping users confidence to post in confidential forums.

So the question is - Moving threads from Confidential forums to regular forums should be forbidden?
I believe that it should.

I asked that the thread be moved, as asking who is a nerd on a freakin' Ninja Turtles forum is in no way, shape, or form, a controversial topic. Which is, indeed, the POINT of the Asteroid. Threads of a non-controversial nature posted on the Asteroid are not only silly, but stand to derail the entire section if allowed to accumulate.

Perhaps, if you had as issue with it, you should have consulted me BEFORE you blew up over it. Dear God.

Furthermore, the locking of the section was not intended to keep the comments of its posters in, but rather to keep people who COULDN'T handle posting in the section OUT. The idea of keeping content in is completely ridiculous as any idiot can cut and paste into the unlocked forums.

I see absolutely no problem with relocating threads that have no business being on the Asteroid in the first place.

[Krang]

Originally Posted by Ulisses31

I believe that moving threads from VA to regular forums can undermine its users confidence to reveal their thoughts about the kind of matter discussed there.

It´s a question of principles... and keeping users confidence to post in confidential forums.

So the question is - Moving threads from Confidential forums to regular forums should be forbidden?
I believe that it should.

Any threads that match the section's description (controversial topics such as religion and politics) will never be moved to a public area, so there's nothing to worry about. The thread that was moved was off-topic, so, after it was checked to make sure that there was nothing sensitive in it, it was moved like any other off-topic thread would be. If there was anything sensitive in that thread, that information would have been removed first.

However, like Archon said, there is no guarantee that anything posted in there will be kept private. While the forum staff will never do anything that exposes any private information posted in there, we can't prevent authorized members from leaking it.

[Ulisses31]

Originally Posted by Archon_Turtle

I asked that the thread be moved, [...]

Perhaps, if you had as issue with it, you should have consulted me BEFORE you blew up over it. Dear God.

Well I have no issue with you, just with the procedure that was taken, again, my issue was with how not with what, is everyone here nuts? Can´t you tell the difference? Was my intention lost in translation?

Originally Posted by Krang

Any threads that match the section's description (controversial topics such as religion and politics) will never be moved to a public area, so there's nothing to worry about. The thread that was moved was off-topic, so, after it was checked to make sure that there was nothing sensitive in it, it was moved like any other off-topic thread would be. If there was anything sensitive in that thread, that information would have been removed first.

This is the answer about the how, that I was expecting, now I feel more comfortable with the issue, now I know how it will be handled in the future and now I understand the way that I should proceed in the future.
Thanks Krang.

PS: Archon read the PM I´ve sent to you about your post please.

[Powder]

Slow your roll, man. It was/is an interesting thread but surely not one of controversy (until now that is haha). There is a fine line between the two 'personals', one that is to be socially ridiculed (religion, sex, drugs, politics, veganism etc) & one that is a self analysis (are you a nerd, a musician, outcast etc). Don't worry here dude! You are one of the few new members who actually contributes alot to the board with your threads in the VA & fan art contests, no one wants to shun you. You've just got to put more thought into how you categorize your posts!

[***CJJ***]

If this is the biggest problem Volcanic Asteroid has created thus far, I'd say we're doing pretty well.

Permission to speak freely?

[Ulisses31]

I believe something was lost in translation here...

My prior concern was about the procedure that lead to move a thread from the VA to regular forums.

Before the Krang reply, I understood it and I´m now OK with that, I was trying to protect every user that is using the Volcanic Asteroid, I don´t want such a precedent like revealing sensitive content from there... I hope you all understand my concern.

The VA section and the Customs section are very dear to me and I have a real concern about them and about The all Technodrome.

When I became a member I did my best to work to this forum, I love TMNT and vintage related stuff, I make customs and I like to have a friendly discussion about sensitive subjects.

I detected that this forum had no specific places to start them and I have done my best to change it, with the help and approval of Krang, GK and the Administrators and Moderators team, that sections are a reality now.

Spoiler:

Originally Posted by Ulisses31

A proper Customs section would be great too, I am in other forums were fan creations are very visited and even the most visited part of the forum, but when I became a member here I saw with some sadness that TMNT customs had no specific section... a lost in my IMO.

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=29287

and

Originally Posted by Ulisses31

Hey this is getting more interesting as it goes... so much stories around here... so after all my problem was not only mine...
Hope that we could have a hidden forum, accessible only by request, to discuss whatever, if any MOD is interested in read a such forum rules I can provide them via PM.

Thanks for all that replied.

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=29572

that leaded to:

Originally Posted by Krang

Looks like support for the new section is pretty much unanimous, so I will be creating it shortly.

Edit: And it's up!

and

Originally Posted by Krang

The Volcanic Asteroid is a new forum section for the discussion of controversial topics such as religion and politics. Since those topics often lead to debate and heated discussion, you must request permission by posting a reply here before you are able to access the section.

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=29598

I will keep my proactive work to be a meaningful contributor to this forum and in special to promote the sections that Krang started since I´m here.

And I will battle any fight for them and for this forum Users benefit.


P.S. Thanks to every VA user, you guys and gals are the best, I had no need to moderate or report anyone of you... thanks you are the reason that section is growing so fast.


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Edit: since this thread start, 6 users requested access to the VA section, is this discussion generating more interest in that section? Good. Controversy really sells... Thanks Eric Bischoff
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[Krang]

Originally Posted by Oroku_CJJ

Permission to speak freely?

Not sure who you're asking, but you don't need anyone's permission to say anything around here...

[***CJJ***]

Me asking for "Permission to speak freely" was like Ai saying "I want names"--I know I don't need permission to speak freely, I did that for affect/rhetorical reasons. I don't want to make a problem where there isn't one.