awesome ain't it?

[Arella]

Originally Posted by Sage Ninja

I only agree with this statment because, given the oppertunity, a Mikey centric movie would use every cringe worthy, cliched, Mikey sterotype it could. He probably wouldn't even be a "character" in the movie, just a hyperactive slap stick gimmick to whore him out to lowest common denominator. The way the media portrays Michelangelo as a character currently is not in a way that would endear him to any adult (or child) with an I.Q. larger than 50. And certainly not to any Michelangelo fans.

... I'd watch that. Bring all my younger siblings and nephews and nieces and watch that movie. It would be epic for kids!

[NameGoesHere1066]

which is exactly why Mike the turtle wil continue to be depicted like this.

[Stryker]

Kids love Mikey as the goofy "younger brother" of the group. Kids buy the toys and drag their parents to watch the movies. Stick with what works.

Changing his personality to make him more "real" would be stupid and boring, IMO. That said, a whole movie about any of the turtles alone would be torture.

[Cipher]

Originally Posted by Stryker

Changing his personality to make him more "real" would be stupid and boring, IMO. That said, a whole movie about any of the turtles alone would be torture.

Multi-faceted character is more boring than a flimsy stereotype?

Damn, dude. I don't care how much fun the stereotype is. Remind me never to watch any movie written by you.

[Stryker]

Well I was more referring to the "real" Michelangelo seen in the Comics. Where he is pratically the same character as everyone else.

Also, crazy detailed characters in a Ninja Turtles movie are boring to me. Excuse me for wanting simple fun in a movie about giant turtles who also happen to be ninjas.

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by Stryker

Well I was more referring to the "real" Michelangelo seen in the Comics. Where he is pratically the same character as everyone else.

Ugh, shut up. You're allowed your opinion, but you really don't know what you're talking about.

[Cipher]

Originally Posted by Stryker

Well I was more referring to the "real" Michelangelo seen in the Comics. Where he is pratically the same character as everyone else.

Depends on who's writing that day. But if you mean that, overall, I shouldn't be able to differentiate between Mike and the rest of the Turtles, that's not true at all. He doesn't need to be busting out one-liners in order to be distinct.

I'll give you a lack of distinct character with some of the writers, in some of the issues. I will. But overall, he's easy to spot and a hell of a lot more engaging than a one-note version.

Excuse me for wanting simple fun in a movie about giant turtles who also happen to be ninjas.

This is one of the worst movie philosophies in recent years. The idea that it has to be simple or less complex in order to be fun. Why can't I have fun watching a movie and have it feature more complex characters?

Like, here's an example. I kind of dug Sherlock Holmes. That was definitely a fun popcorn movie. And you can't tell me it would've been more enjoyable if Robert Downey Jr. had fallen back into the old "cheerio, elementary" shtick in order to get a laugh. Fun movie, and all the main characters were just layered enough for genre.

Or hell, I hate to fall back on The Dark Knight, but you know what people praised that for? It was a fun comic book movie, but it also had (some) depth. It has nothing to do with the fact that it was "omg so dark." It just had that little bit of depth and round characters to hook you. Still fun.

If Michael Bay's your kind of stuff, then fine. But there's a pretty consistent portion of movie-goers who really, really disagree. Adding a more layered Mikey isn't going to ruin anything.

[Stryker]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

Ugh, shut up. You're allowed your opinion, but you really don't know what you're talking about.

Awwww, someone's angwee.

I've read the comics and Michelangelo is boring in those comics along with the others, which is why I stopped reading the comics. It's no secret that I prefer the Original Cartoon over every other incarnation of the Ninja turtles. To me, the Mirage turtles outside of the first few issues and Return to New York are boring.

Originally Posted by Cipher Classic

Or hell, I hate to fall back on The Dark Knight, but you know what people praised that for? It was a fun comic book movie, but it also had (some) depth. It has nothing to do with the fact that it was "omg so dark." It just had that little bit of depth and round characters to hook you. Still fun.

People mostly praised Dark Knight for the one character in it that had no depth at all.

I'm not saying all Michelangelo can do is scream Cowabunga. I just think stripping away the goofy stuff completely would be a bad move. But again, I'm not a mirage fan so maybe I'm completely lost on all of this depth people see in those comics.

[ToTheNines]

You're a tool. He's still the most likely turtle to crack a joke in the comics, he's just not annoying about it like his character has been lately (2k3 show, 07 movie).

[Stryker]

And I wouldn't know because when I stopped reading the books he was boring and kinda melted in with the other three into one bland blob of turtle angst.

[Brodie]

Originally Posted by Cipher Classic

Or hell, I hate to fall back on The Dark Knight, but you know what people praised that for? It was a fun comic book movie, but it also had (some) depth. Still fun.

Dark Knight was about as fun as Schindler's List.

[Cure]

There's a difference between fun and good. Dark Knight is good, but not fun. Batman and Robin is fun, but not good.

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by Stryker

And I wouldn't know because when I stopped reading the books he was boring and kinda melted in with the other three into one bland blob of turtle angst.

What are you even talking about? Did you stop reading because of volume 4? Tales volume 2? Image?

Your vague complaints show little sign of you reading any particular series, throw me a bone here.

[Stryker]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

What are you even talking about? Did you stop reading because of volume 4? Tales volume 2? Image?

Your vague complaints show little sign of you reading any particular series, throw me a bone here.

I stopped reading halfway into volume 2, Started up again around the 3rd issue of volume 4 and almost immediately stopped.

HAPPY?! GAH!

Here's your bone.

[ToTheNines]

Lol, thanks.

Well, volume 4 was a terrible place to start. I won't sit here and fully bash it, but it was a slow paced book that came out at an even slower pace.

Just so you know, you missed alot of great stories from Tales volume 2.

[Cipher]

Originally Posted by TheCure

There's a difference between fun and good. Dark Knight is good, but not fun. Batman and Robin is fun, but not good.

See, I completely disagree. It seems like that's a mentality that's emerged within the last five, maybe ten years.

The Dark Knight kept me on the edge of my seat. I was giddy watching it. It's not high art. It's entertaining. It's fun. Batman and Robin is also fun, but completely by being unintentionally hilarious. As a serious film, there's nothing enjoyable or fun about it at all.

Or take Transformers. Apparently that's supposed to be fun because you need to completely shut off your higher mental functions in order to sit through it. Both movies bored me to tears.

Begin fun is being enjoyable. As in, you feel like you're having fun when you're watching it. This whole "fun = mental shut down" idea is really a recent development. There's no reason a new Turtles movie couldn't hit a solid medium.

Originally Posted by TheCure

Dark Knight was about as fun as Schindler's List.

Only if you're incredibly emotionally perturbed by comic book characters and overly transparent dialogue. It's a fun comic movie with a smattering of depth. You know, that balance thing.

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

You're a tool.

As much as I agree with what you're trying to say, can I just let you know you suck at trying to discuss things?

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by Cipher Classic

As much as I agree with what you're trying to say, can I just let you know you suck at trying to discuss things?

Well you're a tool, too

Sorry man.

[Cure]

You quoted me as saying something I didn't even say.

[Arella]

Originally Posted by Stryker

Kids love Mikey as the goofy "younger brother" of the group. Kids buy the toys and drag their parents to watch the movies. Stick with what works.

Changing his personality to make him more "real" would be stupid and boring, IMO. That said, a whole movie about any of the turtles alone would be torture.

Originally Posted by Stryker

Excuse me for wanting simple fun in a movie about giant turtles who also happen to be ninjas.

I absolutely agree with you.

[Bry]

Originally Posted by Stryker

Also, crazy detailed characters in a Ninja Turtles movie are boring to me. Excuse me for wanting simple fun in a movie about giant turtles who also happen to be ninjas.

Yeah, but what you're describing is a cartoon. And what works for a cartoon doesn't really work for a movie.

To use the Batman example again (which works so well since that franchise has covered both sides of the spectrum), if you go into making a movie - especially a comic book movie - with the mindset "let's just make something simple and fun", you get Batman & Robin. If you have the mindset "let's tell a great story and treat these characters like real people", you have a shot at getting Batman Begins. It doesn't have to be dark, or complicated, but if you treat the characters like goofy marketing machines from the scriptwriting level, the end result is not gonna be pretty.

This doesn't mean you can't make a fun movie, but if that's your only goal, it's not going to have very anything else going for it. This is true even if you're making a kids' movie - for example, Pixar, who always tell a good story with great characters, that can appeal to a very wide audience.