11-10-2015, 05:31 PM | #1 |
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Raph's Treatment on the show
So... on the subject of Raphael.
People say that he has been treated poorly. And yes he did not get any real focus in Season 3. But I wanna know has his character been mishandled or gotten wrong. in some way. You could say that he is not tough as he was, I dont really see that. And some have said that the writers hate him. But I dont really agree with that, you dont have to hate a character to write them poorly. What do you guys think? |
11-10-2015, 06:50 PM | #2 |
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Being a Raphael fan, I can answer this. In the beginning, he was treated pretty well. He had spike as a pet that added to his character, he was afraid of bugs which is usually associated with the character which was fine and he even started to have a closer friendship with Casey which was expected. He had some pretty cool moments and seemed rather tough. as the series went on, Spike turned into Slash and later Slash's interaction and connection with Raph had disappeared, Casey was no longer best friends with him or it wasn't allowed to develop further, He was then afraid of horses and now being in space. It also started to develop that Raph was the go to character for being the butt of the jokes as well as being incapacitated and having to be rescued all the time. He is usually always made to be wrong and never saves the day. He was made into a pretty weak character unfortunately. Because of all this, I felt the writers and producers hated the character. Now that's a pretty strong statement and maybe they really don't but they have done nothing to make me feel otherwise. I really wanted my favorite turtle to shine here and there and be strong and protective like he should be. Maybe that will happen this season but I don't have much hope.
People can bash me for feeling the way I do. That's fine but if you're not a Raphael fan, you really won't understand. You won't see the flaws surrounding the character. When we watch the show, we're usually invested in the ones we like the most and not much else matters. |
11-10-2015, 06:55 PM | #3 |
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Oh, this thread again. Great.
How long before Rambo comes in to burn it down?
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11-10-2015, 06:57 PM | #4 |
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I am a Raphael fan and I see nothing wrong with his character portrayal. Raph doesn't need tons of development he is the smart ass tough guy turtle.
Also Warhorse too
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Raph suffers from Worf syndrome, in that he's taken down and hurt to prove how formidable another character is.
As for his fears of things like bugs and horses, isn't that straight from Mirage? The bug thing is...or at very least his dislike of creepy crawly things. I'd have to re-read the Feudal Japan stories to doublecheck on his dislike of horses...but I know it's not the first time I've seen that somewhere. If possible though? Could we lay off the No True Scotsman fallacies? You can be a fan of Raph and not like a specific incarnation of him.
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(clears throat)
Read this thread on why people, myself included, have issues with the characterization of Raphael of this series. Though outdated, you'll get better answers: http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=51804
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And now you know exactly how I felt when Ciro went on his, "Girl characters get too powerful" tangent.
So given that, I'm not all that surprised by this kind of treatment of male characters as well.
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We needed a "bad girl" to take Karai's place while she's on the DL.
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Which part? That Karai is on the DL?
She's not in the show, and likely won't be back until they return to Earth, which I'll wager won't be until the end of the season. About Mona Lisa taking her place? Ciro said that TMNT was full up with female characters, on account of the fact that they have a Good Girl (April) and a Bad Girl (Karai). With Karai out of the picture there was a vacuum for a female character. Ta Da! Mona Lisa. Any more than two and they're apparently too difficult to write, because they get too powerful. To bring this back to the thread topic: This is what I think is happening to Raph. He's too powerful, so he has to be brought down some. You'll know a character is strong when he beats up, or knocks down, Raph. Because Raph is "the physically strong" one.
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Personally, I feel the issue with Raphael is a general criticism for the show overall.
I think it just points out the issue overall with the series: Tone. The tone is very much all over the place. For every step forward the show makes, it also then takes two steps back and it usually is tied to this very issue.The tone of the cahracters, the one of what they are trying to do... (either you're a drama, or a comedy or a dramedy. You can't be all three!) The transition into last season into this season is a good example. The season ended with Spoiler:
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And then this season, it starts glum again only to realize.... Spoiler:
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Overall, I keep telling myself that this is not my TMNT show. It has fun stuff for me, but it is really for the new ADD-riddled generation of kids that consume this stuff. And it helps me be okay with it. (Though it doesn't stop me from ranting sometimes.) |
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This is my 2nd favorite version of Raph.
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In the season 2 finale they weren't happy at the end. The only person who seemed to be happy was Casey. No one else made any comment or expression that would imply they're happy. Leo definitely didn't seem happy. As to this thread, there's already a thread with pages and pages of ranting that covers this. I don't feel that there's any need for a rehash of the same stuff. |
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So it's kind of no wonder that the characterizations of the male characters suffer as well.
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11-11-2015, 11:40 AM | #19 |
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When was that ever said?
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The Shell Shocked Podcast, which you can listen to here: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/...584706376?mt=2
But here's a transcript of some of it: https://nymonsters.wordpress.com/201...t-open-thread/
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