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Old 09-25-2018, 08:10 PM   #1
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Scientific Explanation for Vanishing Pupils?

Could it be that the Hamato Bros.ís pupils vanishing in the heat of combat be due to their nictitating membranes on their eyes? Real turtles have them, right? Itís always nice to think deep and find scientific explanations for things.
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Old 09-25-2018, 08:25 PM   #2
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Could it be that the Hamato Bros.ís pupils vanishing in the heat of combat be due to their nictitating membranes on their eyes? Real turtles have them, right? Itís always nice to think deep and find scientific explanations for things.
Explain it for Batman, Robin, Green Lantern, Wolverine, et al, too, please.
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Old 09-25-2018, 08:29 PM   #3
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Explain it for Batman, Robin, Green Lantern, Wolverine, et al, too, please.
Hmm. Okay, strange side effect of fictional heroism. (One that I will probably never understand why it is a thing anyhow.)
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Old 09-25-2018, 09:47 PM   #4
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At least in Batman and Robin's case, their masks are usually explained to have special lenses in them that can have a variety of functions. At least in more modern tellings. Green Lantern's mask is simply a hard-light construct created by his ring, and thus can look like whatever he wants it to. In these three cases, to at least some degree it's a factor in preserving their secret identity. We can add Flash, Nightwing, and a few others for the same reason.

I can't speak to the others mentioned, however, nor the TMNT. I think it's bizarre when I see it used for the Turtles and have never quite gotten used to it. I'm fine with "white eyes" on someone if there's an in-story reason, and not a "The artist just thought it'd look frickin' sweet" reason. I'unno.
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Old 09-25-2018, 10:25 PM   #5
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Could it be that the Hamato Bros.’s pupils vanishing in the heat of combat be due to their nictitating membranes on their eyes? Real turtles have them, right? It’s always nice to think deep and find scientific explanations for things.
If they ever manage to make a TMNT movie that doesn't suck I wouldn't mind that being a thing. It's a defense in addition to looking metal, then. Like, if they get splashed with acid. Or maced or something. Or running through tear gas.
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Old 09-25-2018, 10:54 PM   #6
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I'm fine with "white eyes" on someone if there's an in-story reason, and not a "The artist just thought it'd look frickin' sweet" reason. I'unno.
Agree. I mean, aesthetically it looks neat, though I kind of prefer the drawn in eyes and the white never quite made sense.


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At least in Batman and Robin's case, their masks are usually explained to have special lenses in them that can have a variety of functions.
Reminds me of the 2003 series. They take off the masks, and oh look... actual eyes. Huh? The later end of that series of course drew in eyes. BUT they were also shown drawn in as kids with masks. Their masks don't appear to have lenses, but uh... maybe? But not at kids?



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Simplest explanation for that set, IF they do have the additional membrane bit... They're using a different laundry detergent than they did as kids and it is causing eye irritation. In the final season of 2003 they finally switched brands again.


Or... lenses. Really reflective ones that look white.


Now 2012 I can't explain. Even if they have it too, it really isn't that useful in combat situations anyhow. (Maybe if it was a particularly dusty fight.) But lacking any obvious translucency though is surely a disadvantage to their sight; even if there was some ability to see through it's obvious it would still be limited and totally clear sight when fighting an enemy would surely be preferable.

Would make more sense if it's only used periodically and momentarily when it makes sense to do so and not for actual combat the entire time.

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Like, if they get splashed with acid. Or maced or something. Or running through tear gas.
Yes, this exactly.
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Old 09-25-2018, 11:33 PM   #7
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The nictitating membrane is the best explanation. Didnít even know that was a thing.

I was gonna say a side effect to mutagen that they can switch on and off just to look cool
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Old 09-25-2018, 11:47 PM   #8
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The nictitating membrane is the best explanation. Didnít even know that was a thing.

I was gonna say a side effect to mutagen that they can switch on and off just to look cool
Some of the other characters could also use their membranes, but Mondo prefers an eye lick over the membranes. And I guess the membranes make sure they rarely land killing blows on organic opponents.
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Old 09-26-2018, 12:54 AM   #9
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And I guess the membranes make sure they rarely land killing blows on organic opponents.
If they're going to fight you without... you better get the HELL OUT OF THERE. And never show your face in their town again.
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And I guess the membranes make sure they rarely land killing blows on organic opponents.
Uh, what...?
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Old 09-26-2018, 02:14 AM   #11
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I was thinking the same. Using the membrane in battle would weaken thier sight or something? I looked it up but it just says it’s for protection and cleansing the eye.
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Old 09-26-2018, 02:28 AM   #12
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I assume its just a natural byproduct of the turtles going into Fight or Flight mode. Comparable to some animals like crocodiles which have eyelids drawn over while attacking prey.

Like when Leonardo in the season 2 finale was being beaten by Razhar, Fishface and Tiger Claw, he suddenly went into a fit of rage that not only made his eyes go pure white, but also gave him the strength to defeat all 3 at once (whereas before, even 1 would prove a challenge for him).
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Old 10-17-2018, 05:28 PM   #13
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In this case it being pretty cool looking is a good enough explanation for me (I personally dislike everything being over explained ) but I guess saying (in terms of the Nick show) that its a side effect of the mutation that gets triggered for whatever reason works well for me.
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Old 10-17-2018, 05:39 PM   #14
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I prefer them without their pupils. They look cooler to me and pays homage to Mirage. I'm still waiting for the idea of Donnie creating masks with lenses for him and his brothers similar to Batman's mask. Would like to see that with any version.
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