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Old 05-21-2020, 09:13 PM   #1
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Anyone see any of the Turtles joining a bad guy team

The turtles are not a cohesive team in this incarnation, does anyone see the possibility of any of the Turtles joining the Foot Clan or Draxum's Army. If yes, who?

I can see Donnie changing sides at some point in this incarnation. One we've never really seen him in the role of a villain, Raph and Leo have changed sides or made choices that have put them at odds with the rest of their family.

In their case, they switch sides either by force such as through mind control or hypnosis, or they consciously make a choice they feel is for the greater good, but ends up causing problems.

Mikey if he's been the bad guy at all it's generally through something beyond his control such as mental suggestion. If TMNT 2007 had continued its trilogy we would have seen Mikey consciously join the Foot Clan.

Donnie is the only one who hasn't been in a villainous role. The only time he is antagonistic is if something happens that forces him to turn sides or to act in a hostile manner. And even then those are rare.

However, the most dangerous opponent you can have is the one you fail you see. And both the 2012 and Rise series, Donnie is more or less invisible to the others. And Rise Donnie has shown, he has no qualms about hurting his bros if it suits his interests. Such as when he first created Shelldon to do chores for them, but it was programmed to favor Donnie. While the others have shown they are all too willing to hurt him back if it knocks his ego down a peg.

So I could see Donnie joining the Foot Clan or Draxum's forces, even if doing so was originally intended as infiltration and finding something that could take one group or the other down for good. Only to find that maybe that side does have things that suits his interests or makes him feel like he means something. Either that or he's found out and forced onto compliance.
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Old 05-22-2020, 07:19 PM   #2
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I get the point you're making but when it comes to EGO, none of the Turtles is as bad as Leo. And I can sum him up in only two words:

"Bragging rights!"

His desire to win regardless of the costs, has put him at odds with not just the other turtles but also with the Police of the Hidden city, Seņor Huesos, that librarian and god knows who else who just happened to be standing in his way to yet another victory. And Leo loves Victories but more than that he loves the fact that he can brag about his victories. And in order to obtain his bragging rights he DOES everything: cheat, play dirty and sometimes cause harm.

I wouldn't be surprised if he already has a criminal record seeing how much laws (And Cars, interior of buildings such as Seņor Hueso's restaurant and professional lives) he has broken. Also Leo is a pathological liar and a hypocrite, in a degree which is worse than Donnie, he doesn't like being in trouble but also doesn't put in any effort to stay out of trouble either.

So under what circumstances would Leo change sides?

Perhaps when there's a competition element involved and an opportunity to gain the upper hand over his brothers, have bragging right for all time, knowing that they will never upstage him.
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Old 05-22-2020, 08:25 PM   #3
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You make some rather good points about Leo and some reasonable speculation. Sadly. (Damn you, 'Rise.')
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Old 05-25-2020, 03:08 PM   #4
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I get the point you're making but when it comes to EGO, none of the Turtles is as bad as Leo. And I can sum him up in only two words:
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/...20191013120033
"Bragging rights!"

His desire to win regardless of the costs, has put him at odds with not just the other turtles but also with the Police of the Hidden city, Seņor Huesos, that librarian and god knows who else who just happened to be standing in his way to yet another victory. And Leo loves Victories but more than that he loves the fact that he can brag about his victories. And in order to obtain his bragging rights he DOES everything: cheat, play dirty and sometimes cause harm.

I wouldn't be surprised if he already has a criminal record seeing how much laws (And Cars, interior of buildings such as Seņor Hueso's restaurant and professional lives) he has broken. Also Leo is a pathological liar and a hypocrite, in a degree which is worse than Donnie, he doesn't like being in trouble but also doesn't put in any effort to stay out of trouble either.

So under what circumstances would Leo change sides?

Perhaps when there's a competition element involved and an opportunity to gain the upper hand over his brothers, have bragging right for all time, knowing that they will never upstage him.
I was thinking of that episode where Ghost Bear debuted. Mikey was taking things that Donnie wanted without consideration. The last slice of Pizza was one thing, but that Einstein wig, Donnie had a plan for it and Mikey just takes it puts it on and said: "How Do I look?" Donnie then responds by giving this really evil-looking tooth grinding grin that just screams "I'm going to kill you slowly and painfully." and responds by saying "Like someone who doesn't know what is coming."

Then later when the whole wrestling fanfare starts, Donnie publicly announces he's joining Raph's team as a means of getting back at Mikey.
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Old 05-25-2020, 10:16 PM   #5
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Okay I know you guys don't like Rise but seriously you guys are thinking that the fact the turtles have flaws that means they are going to join either the Foot(despite being on hiatus and Recruit having independent plans) or Draxum's army(which isn't even a thing anymore). By that logic 12 Donnie is going to join the foot because both he and Saki can't get over the fact a girl might like them as a friend, or 12 Raph is evil because he beats his brothers, or maybe 12 Mikey is the next main antagonist because he is super careless.

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I get the point you're making but when it comes to EGO, none of the Turtles is as bad as Leo. And I can sum him up in only two words:
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/...20191013120033
"Bragging rights!"
You know he lost on purpose in the end right so not really "Bragging Rights!"


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His desire to win regardless of the costs, has put him at odds with not just the other turtles but also with the Police of the Hidden city, Seņor Huesos, that librarian and god knows who else who just happened to be standing in his way to yet another victory.
He was never at odds with the Police of the Hidden city, he was somewhat at odds with Huesos but not for his desire to win but because he wanted to save his brothers, the Librarian he wanted to save Mayhem so not really "victory"


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I wouldn't be surprised if he already has a criminal record seeing how much laws (And Cars, interior of buildings such as Seņor Hueso's restaurant and professional lives) he has broken. Also Leo is a pathological liar and a hypocrite, in a degree which is worse than Donnie, he doesn't like being in trouble but also doesn't put in any effort to stay out of trouble either.
You know this is TMNT right, a franchise about vigilantes who fight crime and cause a few property damage(including cars) so I will never understand why you only bring this fact when it comes to the Rise turtles when ever iteration is guilty of this. Also Rise Leo I'll admit is more roguish compared to the other iterations but you make it sound like he is a sociopath, like he ain't perfect but he isn't a monster. Also I would make the argument that 12 Leo is more of a hypocrite than Rise is at least Rise Leo didn't go on high horse and tell people "revenge is bad" all the while he held up Shredder's head like a trophy.
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