Batman and Harley

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by sdp

The Bruce/Babs thing is wrong, that's what makes it interesting

The way they went about it is'nt interesting, it's offensive.

TKJ was always a bad idea to adapt since it's difficult to.

KJ was a bad idea period.

[Splinter the boss]

Great(sarcasm). I'm never gonna see Barbara in the same way again.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Simple; everyone is angry because a beloved character has been reduced to a thing, the object of pursuit, conquest, and vengeance. It fails the character and accomplishes the opposite of what the creators initially claimed to desire for this character's expanded role in the story.

I don't see it. People in close proximity have sex. It's normal. She's not a "thing" for wanting to **** the Batman. It might be a little Lolita ish, but that's it.

Batman, in th clip, is clearly walled up, thinking he did something wrong, crossed a line. You could argue he took advantage. It tarnishes Bruce a bit, if anything.

It just adds complexity, making them more human.

It doesn't change anything, really, unless you want it to. There's still a tragic fate, made a little more tenuous by the broken trust between Bruce And Babs.

Once again, we see Bruce isn't all that different than Joker...and maybe that's the point.

[Raven]

Originally Posted by sdp

The Bruce/Babs thing is wrong, that's what makes it interesting.

I think you and I have a very different idea of what "interesting" is.

From the clips were seeing, it looks like its far from being anything of worth value. Poorly put together, and possibly inconsiderate towards woman. How many female characters are going to appear in this film? The addition of Bats and Babs degrading relationship adds no value to the story, and depicts woman in a poor light.

If Alan Moore hated this story right from the get go, and the only worth while thing that came out of it was Oracle I can't say I find much interest coming from this. This story was already highly debated for its content now there just adding insult to injury.

This was looking interesting before the unneeded plots. Having Hammil and Conroy back was exciting but now I'm just disappointed with all this new info.

[sdp]

When I'm talking about the Bruce/Babs relationship I'm talking about the DCAU, I haven't seen TKJ yet and neither has anyone yet to be able to judge. It's like Ghostbusters where everyone damns something before it comes out and they watch it which apparently is an alright movie and internet fanboys overreacted like the sheep that they are.

I can only speak for the comic story since none of us have watched the movie. Batgirl was a character DC wasn't using and there were no plans for her, this happens all the time and it's irrelevant that she's a girl. The point of the story was never Barbara just for something tragic to happen to both Batman and Jim Gordon and show how one bad day can change someones life which is what happened to the Joker since this is basically his story. I never thought Joker raped Barbara, she took naked pictures to show how he could do anything he wanted. The aftermath to this story is awesome, I love Oracle and how many wheelchair heroes do we really have?

Does Barbara having sex with Batman change the story? Not really, things like this happen in real life. Probably not necessary but TKJ is a very short story that doesn't translate very well to a movie so more needs to be added. Year One was also very short so we had a 30 minute sequel with Catwoman where she goes to a Strip Club and strips, it wasn't necessary to the story but it's interesting to see YO catwoman who only gets a short cameo in the actual story.

The reason people hate this idea is a combination of SJW sticking their head were they don't belong and overanalyzing sh-t that doesn't fit their programmed view of what life is and fanboys who don't like status quo change and don't want "their" batman being tainted by an interesting plot point or because they don't want their "shippings" ruined whether it's "Babs/Dick" or "Bat/Catwoman". People hated Starfire for those same reasons and there was all this hate just for that.

[CyberCubed]

Its not about Batman, its about the writers using him as their self insert character.

The writers are 40-50+ year old disgruntled adults who have likely been married to the same woman for years or divorced for years and are bored with their old wives. So they dream of screwing younger women and they self-insert themselves into Bruce and have him have sex with a 20 something year old Barbara.

They're old men and they aren't getting enough hanky panky at home so they fantasize themselves as Bruce as their self insert character and make their fanfiction ships into reality.

[TurtleTitan97]

That is the most ridiculous assumption anyone could possible make.

Don't just assume stuff about a person's private life just because you're not a fan of their work.

[Commenter 42]

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by sdp

When I'm talking about the Bruce/Babs relationship I'm talking about the DCAU, I haven't seen TKJ yet and neither has anyone yet to be able to judge

Dude, the whole thing leaked yesterday. I watched it already.

Originally Posted by sdp

When I'm talking about the Bruce/Babs relationship I'm talking about the DCAU, I haven't seen TKJ yet and neither has anyone yet to be able to judge. It's like Ghostbusters where everyone damns something before it comes out and they watch it which apparently is an alright movie and internet fanboys overreacted like the sheep that they are.

GhostBusters was a crap movie, and I'm no sheep. The real flock are all the people that are only saying it's decent to avoid the wrath of the Kitchen Dwellers.

[Coola Yagami]

All of this was a waste of time because it wasn't in the comic to begin with. There didn't need be any kind of relationship there. From what I heard, the whole scene with Batman and Batgirl fighting crime before the tragedy went on for too long. They didn't need to add all this BS. Just make a short scene of Batgirl beating up some bad guys so people know she's Batgirl, and then start the comic proper. It looks like once the filler crap is out of the way, everything is done almost panel per panel. It's a shame they screwed up on the filler parts because the rest of the movie seems to be 100% faithful to the comic.

I mean TKJ from Batman's perspective was about him wondering how the final battle between him and the Joker will finally end. It had nothing to do with him banging Babs and feeling awkward about it.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

to avoid the wrath of the Kitchen Dwellers.

Chef Ramsay?

[sdp]

I just read that Barbara's sole reason for becoming Batgirl was to "bang" Batman, if that really is true and not something taking out of context then yeah I'd have a problem. If it's more of a Tim Drake type of origin then it wouldn't be so bad, I'll really have to see it before I judge it, I still think it's the usual overreaction from the internet about nothing since oddly enough that is what hasn't really been mentioned in articles/forum posts that part that does mess her character up and yet no one is talking about it?

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Dude, the whole thing leaked yesterday. I watched it already.



GhostBusters was a crap movie, and I'm no sheep. The real flock are all the people that are only saying it's decent to avoid the wrath of the Kitchen Dwellers.

Well sorry I don't keep up with the latest pirate releases. But based on the other comment acting like somehow the new Ghostbusters has some kind of sway to get people to review it well and all of you were "right all along" doesn't help me see your point.

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

All of this was a waste of time because it wasn't in the comic to begin with.

It's an adaptation, things are changed for better or worse. I would've wanted a Batgirl Year One adaptation, it could've fit in 30 mins but I'm not knocking this until I see it especially isnce internet nerd can be so fickle.

[Bry]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

Chef Ramsay?

No way -- Jamie Oliver. Ramsay's all bluster. Oliver may come across gentle as can be, but I hear he'll get inventive with a vegetable peeler if anyone besmirches the good name of Kate McKinnon.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by sdp

It's an adaptation, things are changed for better or worse. I would've wanted a Batgirl Year One adaptation, it could've fit in 30 mins but I'm not knocking this until I see it especially isnce internet nerd can be so fickle.

But they didn't need to be. All they needed to do was have Batgirl beat up some crooks, with or without Batman, and then come home to reveal to the audience that she's Gordon's daughter and that he has no idea she's a crimefighter. Then start the comic proper. I heard the padding was to make people know who she was since the comic flat out starts with Joker shooting her without ever wearing the costume throughout the whole story. That's all we needed. A short intro. Then start the comic proper. We didn't need an extra 'things are awkward now because we had sex' subplot between Batman and Batgirl that didn't exist in the original story.

[Splinter the boss]

Totally agree with the user above me.
See, I appreciate the character a lot. Now, such a scandal happens! It's silly.

[CyberCubed]

Batman having sex with Harley will be the biggest jump the shark moment in Batman history. Bruce Timm needs to retire if this is what he is planning.

He really needs to stop making his fantasies a reality.

[Commenter 42]

Still struggling to figure out what exactly a kitchen dweller is.

[Krutch]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

They're old men and they aren't getting enough hanky panky at home so they fantasize themselves as Bruce as their self insert character and make their fanfiction ships into reality.

You may be right but it's still a hilariously big leap to make with no evidence other than his age.

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

But they didn't need to be. All they needed to do was have Batgirl beat up some crooks, with or without Batman, and then come home to reveal to the audience that she's Gordon's daughter and that he has no idea she's a crimefighter. Then start the comic proper. I heard the padding was to make people know who she was since the comic flat out starts with Joker shooting her without ever wearing the costume throughout the whole story. That's all we needed. A short intro. Then start the comic proper. We didn't need an extra 'things are awkward now because we had sex' subplot between Batman and Batgirl that didn't exist in the original story.

Nailed it.

(and I personally don't even mind the sex angle.)

[THGhost]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

We already got a Harley Quinn sex scene in Assault on Arkham.

One shudders to think what we're going to get here, especially after the atrocity of "Killing Joke"...

Besides the whole Bruce/Babara thing I thought it was pretty awesome. Or was that the reason you didn't like it? I can understand that. What were WB thinking when they threw that in?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by THGhost

Besides the whole Bruce/Babara thing I thought it was pretty awesome. Or was that the reason you didn't like it? I can understand that. What were WB thinking when they threw that in?

That is my reason. I've watched the various clips to see for myself, but on principle, I'm not financially supporting this.