IDW and DC Conclude Batman/TMNT Crossover Trilogy - Page 4

~~ChosenOne~~ · 04-14-2019, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by neatoman

That sounds dirty.

"Slash" by itself sounds a lot dirtier, trust me.

I went with that mash-up not just because of the name, but because Slash is sometimes portrayed as the dark mirror, the wanna-be, the turtle-but-not-quite, and good ol' Tommy Elliot and his obsession with passing for Bruce Wayne seemed close enough.

Now if only I could come up with a decent name for Cobblepot + Dunn...

*Leo656* · 04-15-2019, 03:34 PM

Yeah, I'm not a fan of the, "It's ALL stupid, just give up and roll with it."

Some of it can be stupid. Some of it always has been. But it can also aim a lot higher, and at times, it has. There's no need to throw in the towel and accept that it's forever doomed to be nothing but vapid pabulum for babies.

If things were a little bit more balanced, I doubt anyone would complain when things like this happen. Seeing the people who handle the brand consistently aim for the lowest common denominator is disheartening.

I don't expect better at this point, but I'm also never going to stop hoping for things of a higher standard to eventually come along.

04-15-2019, 04:12 PM

I agree and disagree. Though for the most part, TMNT is a kids franchise these days and I don't think expecting too much from it will do you any good, yes, I do believe TMNT CAN aim higher, and at times, should. A crossover with Batman isn't one of those times. I agree, the cartoons should aim higher than they currently do with Rise. The main IDW on-going is aiming high. And once we get a movie, I hope it aims high as well. But a Batman/TMNT crossover can, and I'd argue should just be dumb fun.

*LeotheLateBloomer* · 04-15-2019, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Igglet

Everyone's probably going to hate me for saying this, but I get the feeling you guys are holding TMNT to too high of a standard. I love the franchise too, it's produced some of my favorite stories ever, but seriously, it's literally the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. There's nothing wrong with a dumb but fun story and this crossover perfectly captures that. For the most part (though obviously, with exceptions), that's what TMNT is about. Pretty much everyone I've seen outside of this forum loves the crossovers. If you just go along with the ride and appreciate it for the fact that it's just a fun story where the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles meet up with Batman to beat up Ra's Al Ghul and the Shredder, I'd say you'll appreciate it a lot more. Just my 2 cents.

Not necessarily hate but more so viewing this as missing the point. Batman in concept is pretty corny; a billionaire who dresses as a bat and fights crime instead of moving on from his parents' death and living his life as a wealthy rich man. But eventually, it took writers such as Frank Miller to look pass the Silver Age era and take risks with this character, which may or may not have alienated those who loved the interpretations before the 80s (one of my old high school teachers dislikes Batman nowadays because he's nothing like how he was in the Adam West TV series he used to love, lol).

Holding something to a high standard may be strange but being passionate about something that has potential despite the title pretty much shows how much value an intellectual property has if it can last this long.

*Leo656* · 04-15-2019, 04:41 PM

Batman's been part of dozens of inter-company cross-overs that weren't just "dumb fun", and there's at least a dozen ways a TMNT/Batman cross-over could be done in a way that would both be "fun" and also, y'know, not stupid. DKR Batman and Mirage-style TMNT, for just one example.

I don't buy the defeatist attitude some people subscribe to. If everyone forever is willing to settle for less, than "less" is all anyone will ever get. But it's whatever. Wrong company bought TMNT, it is what it is at this point.

*Andrew NDB* · 04-15-2019, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

Batman's been part of dozens of inter-company cross-overs that weren't just "dumb fun"

Very true. I can attest to this.

04-16-2019, 03:50 AM

My point wasn't that Batman couldn't have crossovers that weren't dumb fun, my point is that a crossover between Batman and TMNT wouldn't work if it actually took itself too seriously. While, again, this comes down to my personal opinion that I can't exactly prove, I think the sillier parts of the two franchises work together well, but if you take that away, you're left with something that just doesn't work.

*Leo656* · 04-16-2019, 08:57 PM

That is definitely an opinion.

Like most opinions, it's also bananas.

But I mean, it's whatever, have fun with it. I've completely had my life's fill of "goofy", just in general.

AlZarkovski · 04-26-2019, 05:55 PM

https://www.newsarama.com/44954-cris...onclusion.html
Spoilers!

daggio · 04-26-2019, 10:30 PM

Me personally, I don't necessarily mind this crossover. For what it is, I feel it so far has been fun. Now, with that said, I'm glad these series' aren't canon to the TMNT side of it (and probably not the Batman side either). Some of the plot points and even some of the characterizations are, in my view, so contradictory to the main IDW story that there is no real way to make it canon. So this is more of a fun distraction or separate continuity from the main story.

*neatoman* · 04-27-2019, 04:38 AM

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Originally Posted by AlZarkovski

https://www.newsarama.com/44954-cris...onclusion.html
Spoilers!

So is Gordon fused with someone or is he just good old Jim Gordon?

04-27-2019, 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by neatoman

So is Gordon fused with someone or is he just good old Jim Gordon?

Think he's fused with Casey.

bushido · 05-01-2019, 07:46 AM

James Tynion IV and Freddie Williams II Talk Batman/Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles III
https://comicbook.com/dc/2019/04/30/...lliams-tynion/

~~ChosenOne~~ · 05-01-2019, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Igglet

Think he's fused with Casey.

Wouldn't that make him... Jim Jones?

*Ninjinister* · 05-01-2019, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by ChosenOne

Wouldn't that make him... Jim Jones?

Ohhh that would not bode well.

*Redeemer* · 05-01-2019, 03:37 PM

Issue one came out today and I thought it was better than expected.

Spoiler:

05-01-2019, 05:18 PM

Well, that's unexpected to say the least.

*Ninjinister* · 05-01-2019, 07:34 PM

Did they really need to make Don an "actually guy"? Ugh.

*Powder* · 05-01-2019, 07:42 PM

Spoiler:

BlueKatana · 05-01-2019, 11:00 PM

Picked up the first issue today, like what I’ve seen so far.

04-15-2019, 03:34 PM	#62
Leo656 The Franchise Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,696	Yeah, I'm not a fan of the, "It's ALL stupid, just give up and roll with it." Some of it can be stupid. Some of it always has been. But it can also aim a lot higher, and at times, it has. There's no need to throw in the towel and accept that it's forever doomed to be nothing but vapid pabulum for babies. If things were a little bit more balanced, I doubt anyone would complain when things like this happen. Seeing the people who handle the brand consistently aim for the lowest common denominator is disheartening. I don't expect better at this point, but I'm also never going to stop hoping for things of a higher standard to eventually come along. __________________ "I left some words quite far from here to be a short reminder... I laid them out in stone, in case they need to last forever..." "But hey... I'm not telling you anything that you don't already know." nWo Tech: The Official Thread Poison of the Technodrome Forums https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxr...awnHgDz1ceDcfA https://theroxxshow.blogspot.com/

04-15-2019, 04:41 PM	#65
Leo656 The Franchise Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,696	Batman's been part of dozens of inter-company cross-overs that weren't just "dumb fun", and there's at least a dozen ways a TMNT/Batman cross-over could be done in a way that would both be "fun" and also, y'know, not stupid. DKR Batman and Mirage-style TMNT, for just one example. I don't buy the defeatist attitude some people subscribe to. If everyone forever is willing to settle for less, than "less" is all anyone will ever get. But it's whatever. Wrong company bought TMNT, it is what it is at this point. __________________ "I left some words quite far from here to be a short reminder... I laid them out in stone, in case they need to last forever..." "But hey... I'm not telling you anything that you don't already know." nWo Tech: The Official Thread Poison of the Technodrome Forums https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxr...awnHgDz1ceDcfA https://theroxxshow.blogspot.com/

04-16-2019, 08:57 PM	#68
Leo656 The Franchise Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,696	That is definitely an opinion. Like most opinions, it's also bananas. But I mean, it's whatever, have fun with it. I've completely had my life's fill of "goofy", just in general. __________________ "I left some words quite far from here to be a short reminder... I laid them out in stone, in case they need to last forever..." "But hey... I'm not telling you anything that you don't already know." nWo Tech: The Official Thread Poison of the Technodrome Forums https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxr...awnHgDz1ceDcfA https://theroxxshow.blogspot.com/

05-01-2019, 07:46 AM	#73
bushido Stone Warrior Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: France Posts: 708	James Tynion IV and Freddie Williams II Talk Batman/Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles III https://comicbook.com/dc/2019/04/30/...lliams-tynion/ __________________

05-01-2019, 03:37 PM	#76
Redeemer Technodrome Technician Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: third earth Posts: 4,737	Issue one came out today and I thought it was better than expected. Spoiler: I could not for the life of me think of who could have been the one to escape from Krang. Mirage Raphael was a huge and unexpected reveal. I am hoping this cross-over will be better than the last one. __________________ GT:Reedeamer *THE TECHNODROME REDESIGN 2015* http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=51594

04-15-2019, 04:12 PM	#63
Igglet Guest Posts: n/a	I agree and disagree. Though for the most part, TMNT is a kids franchise these days and I don't think expecting too much from it will do you any good, yes, I do believe TMNT CAN aim higher, and at times, should. A crossover with Batman isn't one of those times. I agree, the cartoons should aim higher than they currently do with Rise. The main IDW on-going is aiming high. And once we get a movie, I hope it aims high as well. But a Batman/TMNT crossover can, and I'd argue should just be dumb fun.

04-16-2019, 03:50 AM	#67
Igglet Guest Posts: n/a	My point wasn't that Batman couldn't have crossovers that weren't dumb fun, my point is that a crossover between Batman and TMNT wouldn't work if it actually took itself too seriously. While, again, this comes down to my personal opinion that I can't exactly prove, I think the sillier parts of the two franchises work together well, but if you take that away, you're left with something that just doesn't work.

04-26-2019, 05:55 PM	#69
AlZarkovski Mad Scientist Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Russia Posts: 1,021	https://www.newsarama.com/44954-cris...onclusion.html Spoilers!

04-26-2019, 10:30 PM	#70
daggio Foot Soldier Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Greenwich, CT Posts: 239	Me personally, I don't necessarily mind this crossover. For what it is, I feel it so far has been fun. Now, with that said, I'm glad these series' aren't canon to the TMNT side of it (and probably not the Batman side either). Some of the plot points and even some of the characterizations are, in my view, so contradictory to the main IDW story that there is no real way to make it canon. So this is more of a fun distraction or separate continuity from the main story.

05-01-2019, 05:18 PM	#77
Igglet Guest Posts: n/a	Well, that's unexpected to say the least.

05-01-2019, 07:34 PM	#78
Ninjinister 無問題 Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Moesko Island, WA Posts: 14,314	Did they really need to make Don an "actually guy"? Ugh. __________________

05-01-2019, 11:00 PM	#80
BlueKatana Stone Warrior Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Chicago Posts: 549	Picked up the first issue today, like what I’ve seen so far. __________________ You know I got your back...just like a Turtle Shell!