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Old 09-22-2017, 01:04 PM   #21
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this is what happens when Ninja warriors trade their weapons with yo-yos and hard salamis.
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While III is arguably better than II beyond the costumes, but that's probably one of the worst intros I've ever seen. Even as a kid in 1993, I was worried right away.
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Old 09-22-2017, 02:03 PM   #22
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In my headcanon the scientists from TMNT II are Utroms and Renet accidentally left the time scepter where it was found, she later retrieves it.
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In my headcanon the scientists from TMNT II are Utroms.
That's how it was intended to be. No excuse to edit it out.
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Old 09-22-2017, 03:14 PM   #24
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While III is arguably better than II beyond the costumes
What arguments are there in favor of it? Neither one is actually good but 2 at least tied up the loose end of where the Ooze came from and kind of explored the consequences of the first movie, 3 just seems pointless and poorly paced.
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Old 09-22-2017, 03:31 PM   #25
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this is what happens when Ninja warriors trade their weapons with yo-yos and hard salamis.

I personally prefer a nice hard salami going down my throat to a nunchaku ANY day.
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While III is arguably better than II beyond the costumes, but that's probably one of the worst intros I've ever seen. Even as a kid in 1993, I was worried right away.
yeah that intro's pretty wretched.
at least it was ZZ Top playing and not one of the songs from the Pizza Hut tour.

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I personally prefer a nice hard salami going down my throat to a nunchaku ANY day.
i chose option (D) none of the above.
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Old 09-28-2017, 10:09 AM   #27
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A lot of people have mentioned before that a live action movie based off “Legend of Koji” from the OT would have been intriguing and I still tend to agree with that.
Yeah. Guess which was better?

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Thats not the only reason I like it more.
It was also well written.

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I never even noticed that TMNT II did less than half of the box office of TMNT I. Huh. Yeah, they should have learned. TMNT II definitely didn't underperform because of a lack of TMNT fans in 1991.
The sequels as expected all suffered from diminishing returns you'd expect from sequels but the second and third movie were by no means flops and made considerable profit.
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Old 09-28-2017, 10:36 AM   #28
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The sequels as expected all suffered from diminishing returns you'd expect from sequels but the second and third movie were by no means flops and made considerable profit.
Not really. TMNT II had a production budget of 25 million... it's hard to speculate what the marketing budget would be in a movie in 1991, but let's say it's shockingly low and the same as the production budget, another 25 million. The movie made 78 million stateside. Going by the usual math (theaters taking their cuts), New Line/Golden Harvest took home about 60 million of that, probably less. That's 60 million against 50 million to make the movie. The overseas data on TMNT II and III is not known for some strange reason, but let's assume it performed proportionately the same as TMNT I did overseas, adjusted for the same decline seen domestically between films (TMNT I did 135 million domestically with an added 67 million overseas, TMNT II did 78 domestically)... that gives us another 40 million overseas. Cut that in half because you're losing half of the money on international ticket sales, that's another 20 million in the pot. 80 million against 50 million to make it. Not terrible but not a slam dunk, either.

TMNT III, only 4 million dollars less to make than TMNT II but it made only half the money. They probably did end up in the red on III, clawing to a breaking even point when it came time for home video sales and such.
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Not really. TMNT II had a production budget of 25 million... it's hard to speculate what the marketing budget would be in a movie in 1991, but let's say it's shockingly low and the same as the production budget, another 25 million. The movie made 78 million stateside. Going by the usual math (theaters taking their cuts), New Line/Golden Harvest took home about 60 million of that, probably less. That's 60 million against 50 million to make the movie. The overseas data on TMNT II and III is not known for some strange reason, but let's assume it performed proportionately the same as TMNT I did overseas, adjusted for the same decline seen domestically between films (TMNT I did 135 million domestically with an added 67 million overseas, TMNT II did 78 domestically)... that gives us another 40 million overseas. Cut that in half because you're losing half of the money on international ticket sales, that's another 20 million in the pot. 80 million against 50 million to make it. Not terrible but not a slam dunk, either.

TMNT III, only 4 million dollars less to make than TMNT II but it made only half the money. They probably did end up in the red on III, clawing to a breaking even point when it came time for home video sales and such.
The sequels definitely did less well but were still profitable for the studio. The sequels were hardly flops both in the US and internationally. Then again I'm not sure how TMNT II could have made more money than the original since the original film was the ninth highest grossing film that year and for many years the highest grossing independent film of all time. That's quite a large bar to set.
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The sequels definitely did less well but were still profitable for the studio. The sequels were hardly flops both in the US and internationally. Then again I'm not sure how TMNT II could have made more money than the original
But... I just explained how none of that is true.
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But... I just explained how none of that is true.


Ok, that was funny. Pretty much refuting hard facts with a "nuh-uh!".
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If they had just put Renet and a less demonic looking Savanti in there (think of the kids) THAT would have been the way to introduce them to the fanbase at large. Who cares if kids didn't know who they were, they would by watching the movie, and it would have led to toys and possibly an appearance on the cartoon. Then as adults we would have been surprised to find out that what we once thought were original movie characters were from the comics all along.

I mean c'mon, kids had to accept Splinter as a rat, an all-human Foot Clan and lack of Techmodrome and whatnot, as well as flowing a Mirage based storyline unlike anything they've seen on the show. And Vanilla Ice.

I'm sure they would have accepted Renet and Savanti better than Walker and Mitsu. Even if 'omg they wouldn't know they were from the comics'. Most of us didn't know about Yoshi and Splinter not being the same person either.
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Old 10-05-2017, 03:47 PM   #33
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Ok, that was funny. Pretty much refuting hard facts with a "nuh-uh!".
That is exactly what you did to my post. Except you forgot to include any facts.
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Old 10-07-2017, 09:04 PM   #34
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yeah that intro's pretty wretched.
at least it was ZZ Top playing and not one of the songs from the Pizza Hut tour.



i chose option (D) none of the above.
At the very least.... those were some sweet moves they were doing.
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It's probably the same reason Renet and Savanti never appeared in the original cartoon. I mean the show could have easily used them, or at least Renet, but they were completely ignored.
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It's probably the same reason Renet and Savanti never appeared in the original cartoon. I mean the show could have easily used them, or at least Renet, but they were completely ignored.
The series played so much of 1950's and 60's science fiction that it was better to use time machines.
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