02-05-2010, 07:34 PM | #261 |
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Paris Nocturne doesn't feel right under vol 4 to me. Reading it, I get the feeling that it should be before vol 4. However, a bit of exploration on the date references prove you to be right. In PN, Shadow's diary has the date April 2002. In vol 4, issue 3, it has the quote "This city -- understandably on edge since the events of last september -- is on the verge of panic." read by a newsreporter. Which, if refering to 9/11, means what's happening in issue 4, going by the snow, is happening either late 2001 or early 2002.
In all honesty, I actually had this all written out to say that PN is BEFORE vol 4, for definite, with said quotes as proof. Then I realised I was getting myself muddled - if it was winter 2002, which I thought it was, the newsreporter wouldn't be saying "last september", he'd be saying "The september before last" or "the events on 9/11" or something to that effect. D'oh! Still, I think it don't feel right during vol 4. But I reckon you can take off the "possibly post vol 4" now.
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02-05-2010, 08:19 PM | #262 |
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Okay so if I've got my dates straight, here...
TMNT (Vol. 4) #1 takes place in January of 2002. "Paris Nocturne" takes place in April of 2002. Alright. April would HAVE to fall in that six month gap during TMNT (Vol. 4) #5, so yeah, the "possibly post Vol. 4" can be dropped. I'll deal with that right now. |
02-06-2010, 10:38 AM | #263 |
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hey, what is "Muscle and Faith"? and do you have any more thoughts on the Flaming Carrot crossovers?
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02-06-2010, 11:57 AM | #264 | |
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"Muscle and Faith" was an Eastman-approved online graphic novel written and drawn by Jeff Bonivert. It was available to view Here for a limited time, but has since been taken down.
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Plus, the second crossover has the Turtles acting in cooperation with the US Government, which is just plain not-possible, at least in the Mirage continuity. |
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02-06-2010, 12:21 PM | #265 |
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I got another. I'll have to check, but I'm pretty sure that Tales 17 "Wrong Turn", is referenced in Tales 52 "Crystal at the Heart of the World".
I have no idea which one needs to be moved where, i'll leave that up to you lol. And do you care about typos? I personally don't so I'd feel like a douche-bag for pointing them out lol. But if you do, let me know. |
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02-06-2010, 01:45 PM | #267 | ||
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Just got another one (kinda). I think you can remove the "possibly post-volume 4" tag from the "Blue Hole". The date in the story is March 2002, so it can probably stay put or be moved by another issue with a corresponding date. I don't have "Soul Survivor", but I racked my krang over "Sins of the past" and couldn't find anything dictating wether it takes place after volume 4 or during. Quote:
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02-06-2010, 01:53 PM | #268 |
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Mod, please delete.
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02-06-2010, 02:40 PM | #270 |
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This made me actually laugh out loud.
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02-06-2010, 07:32 PM | #271 |
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Sorry to keep bugging you with small sh*t Doc, but I noticed that some A.C. Farley issues are in red (his 2 volume 1 books), while "Crack in a Hard Heart" is not. I personally consider him a Mirage guy, and not a guest. I guess "Lost Legends" should be red since it was written by Paul Jenkins, but "Men of Shadow" was all A.C.
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02-07-2010, 06:43 AM | #272 | |
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That includes "The River", which was referenced in "Sons of the Silent Age", and "Men of Shadow", which was done by AC Farley, a Mirage in-houser. "Men of Shadow" is also somewhat contradicted by "Darkness Weaves", where Raph acts like he's encountering vampires for the very first time in his life. The #21-45 span of issues is one of those weird little areas where its story content vs. Laird's say-so ("The River") or even Laird's say-so vs. Laird's say-so ("Men of Shadow"). Hence the red coloring. Last edited by DrSpengler; 02-07-2010 at 09:43 AM. |
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02-07-2010, 09:07 AM | #273 |
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This one is more a personal hangup than a timeline nitpick, but I find it difficult to accept "Body Count" into my own little idealized version of the canon. Maybe it's just me, but I have a tough time reconciling the Casey of "Shades of Grey"/"C@W" who plunged headlong into a self-destructive downward spiral after accidentally killing a single punk with the Casey of "BC" who guns down Lord knows how many goons.
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02-07-2010, 09:40 AM | #274 |
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Well, I don't think Casey guns anyone down in "Bodycount". I recall him spending the whole series saying "I hate guns" (while Raph goes gun crazy). I can't recall if Casey explicitly *kills* anyone in that story, though.
I'm not very fond of "Bodycount", personally, but I try not to let my personal feelings toward a story effect its inclusion. "Bodycount" was written by Eastman and, at least initially, intended to be published by Mirage. Likewise, Eastman also wrote or co-wrote stories like "Fun with Guns" (where Casey thinks guns are cool as opposed to hating them) and the two you mentioned, "Shades of Grey" and "City at War". So I'd like to think the franchise creator knew what he was doing when he wrote it, even if it sorta sticks out awkwardly. Of course, Eastman has admitted that he wrote "Bodycount" to be nothing more than a 4-issue running John Woo-style gunfight, plot and characterization be damned, so who knows what was going through his head at the time. |
02-07-2010, 10:07 AM | #275 |
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Hmm...my memory must be fuzzier than I thought. I've no doubt you're right, and I'll have to give that one a second look when I get the chance (I've only read it once...like you, it wasn't really my cup of tea).
If that's the case, then the only other instance in which Casey killed another person (correct me if I'm wrong) is when he took out some of the DARPA guards in vol. 2, which he has no memory of doing. Sound about right? |
02-07-2010, 01:30 PM | #276 |
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I personally don't consider it canon. I know Eastman wrote it, but I look at it as a one shot, Kevin just having some fun. Not that its inclusion here is glaring, I just don't care about it.
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02-07-2010, 01:39 PM | #277 |
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In Bodycount, Casey also kisses Midnight (the woman), in the story at the end.
So much for Casey being loyal to April, huh? lol. Eh, I look at most of the specials as being "for fun," same with a lot of the guest writers of Volume 1. But the good thing is, you can count stuff like "Souls Winter," and the zany issues as part of an "alternate universe," where it fits in. Hey, if Mirage accepts the multi-verse, why can't Souls Winter be canon just in an alternate reality? Is there a difference? |
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It can be, but generally when people think of "canonicity," they think of Turtle Prime. I see your point though. Not that what Mirage thinks really matters anymore.
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And "Souls" is an alternate universe... which is exactly why it can't be canon. I mean, the OT is an alternate universe too, but it's not Mirage canon. Same with the movies, Archie etc. |
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02-07-2010, 06:33 PM | #280 |
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Hving been a major contributor to the TFWiki.net for four years now, I sort of ascribe to their idea that "EVERYTHING is canon, but not everything is in the same continuity".
So yeah, "Souls Winter" is canon, but canon to its own micro-continuity alongisde the shorts that Zuli also drew taking place in that universe. It's just not in the same continuity as the primary Mirage stuff. And yeah, I put "Bodycount" before TMNT #10 expressly for the reason that it's before Casey met April, allowing him to have a romantic encounter with whatshername. |
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