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Old 08-31-2016, 09:25 PM   #41
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Joe Manganiello confirmed for Deathstroke: http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2016/...-batman-movie/
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Also, plans for a 2-part Justice League were axed...

http://www.wsj.com/articles/warner-b...350000?tesla=y
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I agree. Each of those characters would be a better antagonist for a Batman solo film.
Those are some very good choices but after watching Suicide Squad, while I really enjoyed Margot Robbie as Harley Quinn, Joker left a sour taste in my mouth. Not saying I want Leto gone, since there wasn't much to go off of with the atrocious editing that occurred within the film. If they fire the guy for his comments against WB however, he will not be missed by me (even though it is their fault to begin with). Deathstroke may not be a Batman villain but he is an interesting choice, indeed. I would hope there will be mentioning of when he faced Dick Grayson before. Joe Manganiello is not only a fitting choice but he actually looks fairly like Slade Wilson. My hope for the DCEU is that we get a Teen Titans movie with an appearance from him.

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Those are some very good choices but after watching Suicide Squad, while I really enjoyed Margot Robbie as Harley Quinn, Joker left a sour taste in my mouth. Not saying I want Leto gone, since there wasn't much to go off of with the atrocious editing that occurred within the film. If they fire the guy for his comments against WB however, he will not be missed by me (even though it is their fault to begin with). Deathstroke may not be a Batman villain but he is an interesting choice, indeed. I would hope there will be mentioning of when he faced Dick Grayson before. Joe Manganiello is not only a fitting choice but he actually looks fairly like Slade Wilson. My hope for the DCEU is that we get a Teen Titans movie with an appearance from him.
I'm personally hoping Slade Wilson isn't the single antagonist of the film. Maybe work in some Jason Todd or Court of Owls...
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Also, plans for a 2-part Justice League were axed...

http://www.wsj.com/articles/warner-b...350000?tesla=y
Can't/won't read past the pay wall, but... are they showing Snyder the door sooner than later? Pleeeeaaase?
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Can't/won't read past the pay wall, but... are they showing Snyder the door sooner than later? Pleeeeaaase?
I found a way around it; different link.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/warner-b...oes-1473350000

But not that I can tell.
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I'm personally hoping Slade Wilson isn't the single antagonist of the film. Maybe work in some Jason Todd or Court of Owls...
I hear ya. I'm curious to know who would play him. I would love to see Robin in the movie whether Dick or Tim. Though depending on the timeline, the former would be Nightwing by now. With how DC jumped too early into the Batman's later years, that will likely never happen.
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I found a way around it; different link.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/warner-b...oes-1473350000

But not that I can tell.
Hmm. I mean, not to do the easy, played out thing and just dump on Snyder. He's got his talents. He was just a very wrongheaded choice for this universe in the first place and had the entire wrong sensibilities and instincts, as far as I'm concerned.

Most of the blame lies with the higher-ups. They handled this all wrong. If they're finally figuring that out, then good. I just feel that Snyder would be better off doing something that actually suits his style. Somewhere else. Far, far away from Superman.
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I'm personally hoping Slade Wilson isn't the single antagonist of the film. Maybe work in some Jason Todd or Court of Owls...
The Court of Owls would make for a fine Batman movie plot, and would help define the city and Bruce better than they were in BvS.

Jason Todd, sure... but I feel that introducing Tim Drake is the best way to help get the DCEU on track. If the DC Films bosses really do want to lighten things up, do a little tonal de-Snydering and are address Batman's excessively violent actions in BvS, that's where I'd start. We know that Jason Todd is dead already, and since then Batman has become increasingly isolated, violent, and cynical. That's where Tim arrived in the comics, having figured out Batman's secret identity and realizing that he needs a Robin to ground him and keep him from growing too dark. It's the perfect way to fix that divisive/controversial tone issue and make it seem like it was the plan all along. (And Tim's "my" Robin, so y'know, I'm invested there...)

Introduce Nightwing while you're at it. Batman gets a new Robin and tries to repair his fractured family. Work some Jason Todd flashbacks in there... And next time, go full comic book with Ra's and Talia Al Ghul and the Lazarus Pit. Red Hood would make a hell of a sequel.
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I found a way around it; different link.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/warner-b...oes-1473350000

But not that I can tell.
Grrr not working for me. Copy/paste svp?
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I just feel that Snyder would be better off doing something that actually suits his style. Somewhere else. Far, far away from Superman.
He should direct video game cutscenes.
I'm serious. Any time I watch Man of Steel clips, it's like I'm watching a video game cinematic.
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http://batman-news.com/2016/09/08/ge...ead-interview/

Try following the link at the bottom of Batman-News' brief blurb. There's a lot of interesting material in the WSJ link.

If the link STILL doesn't work, I'll dump the article here under spoiler tags.
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http://batman-news.com/2016/09/08/ge...ead-interview/

Try following the link at the bottom of Batman-News' brief blurb. There's a lot of interesting material in the WSJ link.

If the link STILL doesn't work, I'll dump the article here under spoiler tags.
Wow. They still don't get it. None of that is the corse correction they need.

They're still trying to take detours to an arbitrary destination while traveling in the wrong direction.

The result?



Fan favorite Geoff Johns? Maybe on Earth 2.
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The Court of Owls would make for a fine Batman movie plot, and would help define the city and Bruce better than they were in BvS.

Jason Todd, sure... but I feel that introducing Tim Drake is the best way to help get the DCEU on track. If the DC Films bosses really do want to lighten things up, do a little tonal de-Snydering and are address Batman's excessively violent actions in BvS, that's where I'd start. We know that Jason Todd is dead already, and since then Batman has become increasingly isolated, violent, and cynical. That's where Tim arrived in the comics, having figured out Batman's secret identity and realizing that he needs a Robin to ground him and keep him from growing too dark. It's the perfect way to fix that divisive/controversial tone issue and make it seem like it was the plan all along. (And Tim's "my" Robin, so y'know, I'm invested there...)

Introduce Nightwing while you're at it. Batman gets a new Robin and tries to repair his fractured family. Work some Jason Todd flashbacks in there... And next time, go full comic book with Ra's and Talia Al Ghul and the Lazarus Pit. Red Hood would make a hell of a sequel.
Court of Owls is a great concept that really deserves a good story. Snyder didn't quite give them much reason to actually exist in their debut story, and nobody's done right by them since.

I'll take ANY Robin that's not Carrie. Stephanie, Damian, Dick, Jason, Tim... I just don't trust anyone to believe that Robin actually COULD be done well on the big screen; I think the studio is still terrified of the character ever since the Schumacher films.

Bringing in Tim Drake first would fit really well; show Nightwing, give us a Nightwing spinoff film... then Under the Red Hood for a sequel, like you said.

There are PLENTY of good movies that could be made utilizing the Bat family. But I doubt we'll ever get them...
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He should direct video game cutscenes.
I'm serious. Any time I watch Man of Steel clips, it's like I'm watching a video game cinematic.
You're not wrong. Again, he's got his talents... but I think they're better suited to dumb, fun schlock than selling himself as a "visionary" attempting to make "the serious superhero movie". The results have been pretty laughable so far. His obsession with going "dark" just comes across like a teenage boy trying way too hard to take things seriously, mistaking "dark" for mature.

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I'll take ANY Robin that's not Carrie. Stephanie, Damian, Dick, Jason, Tim... I just don't trust anyone to believe that Robin actually COULD be done well on the big screen; I think the studio is still terrified of the character ever since the Schumacher films.

Bringing in Tim Drake first would fit really well; show Nightwing, give us a Nightwing spinoff film... then Under the Red Hood for a sequel, like you said.

There are PLENTY of good movies that could be made utilizing the Bat family. But I doubt we'll ever get them...
Part of me thinks you're right, but I at least hope they're considering it. So long as they get it right, I mean. Trying to chase The Dark Knight, mistaking its success for being "dark" or "serious" or "realistic", will keep these movies in that movie's shadow, and that hasn't been a good look so far. They haven't gotten that right. Even The Dark Knight had humour and hope.

The ultra-broody, angry loner Batman needs a rest, and if that's the point they're gonna be getting at, the Bat-Family is the next natural step. As long as they hit the right middle-ground without going into Schumacher neon-camp territory, there's no reason it can't work. And it's the best possible way to differentiate this Batman from the movie Batmen that came before.

"The first truth of Batman... It had to be one I didn't like to admit. The gunshots left me alone. For years I was alone in the echoing dark of that well. But something else defined the exact moment Batman was born. The First Truth of Batman... The saving grace. I was never alone. I had help."

The Bat-Family brings out the best in Batman. I want them to do the same for his movies.
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The ultra-broody, angry loner Batman needs a rest, and if that's the point they're gonna be getting at, the Bat-Family is the next natural step. As long as they hit the right middle-ground without going into Schumacher neon-camp territory, there's no reason it can't work. And it's the best possible way to differentiate this Batman from the movie Batmen that came before.

"The first truth of Batman... It had to be one I didn't like to admit. The gunshots left me alone. For years I was alone in the echoing dark of that well. But something else defined the exact moment Batman was born. The First Truth of Batman... The saving grace. I was never alone. I had help."

The Bat-Family brings out the best in Batman. I want them to do the same for his movies.
I want that, too. I've said to anyone who will listen to me that a unique and marketable new take on the Batman franchise would be defined not by the villains but by the sidekicks.

Movie 1: Dick Grayson, Barbara Gordon
Nightwing spinoff
Movie 2: The Killing Joke / A Death in the Family, Jason Todd
Movie 3: Tim Drake, A Lonely Place of Dying, Under the Red Hood
Movie 4: Damian Wayne, Talia al Ghul, R'as al Ghul, Batman and Son

You can fit in Nightwing sequels, a Robin solo, Birds of Prey for Huntress and Cassandra Cain with Oracle, a Riddler story using Stephanie Brown (Spoiler)...

It's all there, and I've thought about it for literally years. Somebody hook me up with Geoff Johns.
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We all read the same article, right?
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What exactly do you take issue with from the article?

I checked out of the BvS thread before you and Leo burned it down, so I don't remember any of your criticisms.

Toning down Zach Snyder, bringing in a veteran DC comics guy in a much larger role, changing the tone... sounds like stuff of which you'd approve.
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