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View Poll Results: What do you think about different skin-colored TMNT? | |||
Doesn't bother me | 95 | 84.07% | |
It's kind of stupid | 12 | 10.62% | |
Yeah, it's really stupid | 6 | 5.31% | |
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07-27-2015, 03:44 PM | #41 |
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They might actually have the correct amount of fingers and toes too.
If anything, that's always been my pet peeve. Stylistically, it looks cool. But it makes no sense. (Ohwaitshit... They're mutants. :p) |
07-27-2015, 04:07 PM | #42 | |
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Yeah, but again though, they are supposedly from the same clutch. What you see in the pet store are not often from the same clutch, and if their markings are that different, they may not even be of the same species. There are hundreds of species. The human influence in their genetic make up is from a single donor, not two humans mating. There's also the possibility that the mutagen itself is a chemical compound that simply activates certain genes in the turtle itself, and the human component is meaningless. |
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07-27-2015, 04:11 PM | #43 | ||
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You're speaking specifically about Cartoon Canon, because in Mirage Canon there's no "human DNA" to be considered.
Also...there's no specific mention in Mirage canon about the turtles being from the same clutch at all, or at least there isn't to my knowledge. Can someone provide evidence to the contrary? Short of a DNA test there's no real way to know whether or not they're genetically related, not that it should matter. They were raised as brothers and that right there is enough.
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07-27-2015, 04:26 PM | #44 |
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The adoptive family theme has been in every iteration from day one, blood relation has never mattered & it should remain that way (barring the IDW reincarnation angle).
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07-27-2015, 04:44 PM | #46 |
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Well it is questionable if they're a family in the Fred Wolf cartoon (the last couple of episodes I watched they never used any stronger words than "Buds" to describe their relationship to each other) but it does tend to be prominent.
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07-27-2015, 04:46 PM | #47 |
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Splinter does call them "My sons" at one point or another, at least I think so. Either way, whether or not certain terms are used, they live as a family & love each other.
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07-27-2015, 05:05 PM | #48 | |
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If not, then it doesn't matter, clearly, and they could even be of varying species. The overarching point, I think, is the need to differentiate them by color at all. It's somewhat insulting, as it suggests the audience is too feeble minded to distinguish each brother on their own (OT's young audience excluded of course). |
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07-27-2015, 05:32 PM | #49 |
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He says, "My sons" a couple times, he even calls them Donatello's "Brother Turtles" in an episode. I know one of the episodes where the Turtles get de-aged, the younger Turtles call the teen-aged ones big brothers....but I think they call Splinter an uncle....eek.
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07-27-2015, 05:44 PM | #50 |
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I can go either way on this. As a ninja clan, it makes sense for them to be essentially clones, appearance wise. Like it's their uniform. There are also things you could, potentially, do with it in a story, like if someone thinks they have one turtle captured but really it's another.
But Mirage is also quite focused on it's adoptive family aspect, and being straight up different colors from each other would probably reinforce that further. Obviously it was a toys / tell them apart method, and I doubt the people that decided that thought beyond that, but this also has the happy side effect of giving kids a TV show where a bunch of dudes with different skin colors consider themselves equal brothers and never once even mention it.
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07-27-2015, 09:57 PM | #51 |
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My head canon for the old universes were that Leo and Raph would be genetically brothers. Because of course they are.
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07-27-2015, 10:22 PM | #52 |
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I think there's something interesting in the 4 of them being almost identical. It reinforces that who they are matters over what they look like.
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07-27-2015, 11:09 PM | #53 |
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Yeah, I've leaned on both of those ideas briefly back in my ficcin' days.
I'unno... I mostly see them as the original movie versions. Different enough to tell them apart pretty easily, but still close enough so that at a glance or if they switched gear you might take a second to figure it out. I don't have a big problem exactly when they're given a lot of clearly distinguishing physical characteristics, but I don't find it at all necessary, either. I just don't find it plausible, for some reason, that they'd look that much different from each other post-mutation. And from there it just goes back into wanting a better reason than "Why Not?" to just go ahead and do that. I get it, it's fake, but I like a little verisimilitude in my stories, too. "Well, why CAN'T they look different?" I'unno. Why would they? It just goes back and forth. Me, I think it's more likely they'd look similar. Doesn't "break" anything if they do look a lot different, I just think it's kind of an arbitrary thing to do.
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Au contrare. As others have pointed out, there are variations, even between clutch-mates. It doesn't take much digging to find plenty of different color and marking variations in RES's, up to and including rare pigment mutations such as melanism or albinism- EVEN IN THE SAME CLUTCH! You can get individuals with very dark or light pigment, or changes in the red patch, etc, even with the same parents- because markings and shell size, pigmentation, and even how high the shell's keel is are all determined by the genes of the parents. Quote:
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So maybe Donnie had more melanin pigment in his skin? It can happen. No two animals of ANY species are ever exactly the same, except in the rare case of identical twins. Heck, in some cases, animals of drastically different appearance can be born into the same litter/clutch, whatever. And reptiles are also prone to the odd phenomenon of Siamese twinning, more so than most animals. See also: two-headed turtles, conjoined turtles, etc.... Quote:
Here's the thing, though. Female cats are notorious for breeding with multiple males, so those same kittens may NOT even all have the same father! The mother's genes are only HALF the story. And it's the same with turtles. Quote:
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Absolutely. I have this personal head-canon that they DO have faint markings remaining, but the most obvious one (the red patch) is always covered by the masks. The rest have just faded so much that they're barely visible except on VERY close inspection. And perhaps they simply had two very differently toned parents, thus the disparity. Quote:
Not necessarily. If the parents are very different from each other (ie if one is an albino or very dark, for instance) then you could very well get several distinct color variations, depending on the genetic lottery of how the DNA fell. As for the sea turtle thing, I agree. I don't even know how ANYONE thinks the IDW TMNT were ever sea turtles, since they are clearly in a freshwater semi-aquatic terrarium! Quote:
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I think, barring the sort of breeding that intentionally drives high color sliders, or caramels, (both of which are not often found in the wild precisely due to their high visibility, and thus not surviving through to adulthood) You'd have to admit, to the likely hood of drastic variation is small, especially if we take time and place into account (15 years ago from today, or as far back as 15 years prior to 1984.) Hybridization wasn't, to my knowledge, a big thing. Sure, the parents may have been two sub sliders...I'll give you that, but I again defer to Andrews point; NONE of this was the reason behind the different tones of green, it all exists for marketing purposes, nothing more, and in the larger sense is very much a statement about the audience. I get what you and Candy Mean about variation - I see it, but to the non-Herp, when you see a mature clutch together, it looks like this: We can tell them apart, but will most people? And the emerald green is long gone. They don't look like this as teens: the toy variation is more like this: Which you'd be hard pressed to find in the average clutch together. Last edited by Commenter 42; 07-28-2015 at 02:20 AM. |
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07-28-2015, 03:00 AM | #56 |
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If we're going to go by what RES turtles look like in real life, we can clearly see a number of flaws in the design of the TMNT within the Mirage continuity:
Pointing out the lack of accuracy to the RES species to argue against different skin colors doesn't really work when the general design isn't very accurate to begin with. |
07-28-2015, 04:15 AM | #57 | |
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Laird's general response to the number of fingers, seems to be "we thought it would be neat and goofy!" Sooo, I guess you could take it up with them? |
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07-28-2015, 01:18 PM | #58 |
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They were smart putting mutant in the title, any and all physical questions can be answered with "well, they are mutants".
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07-28-2015, 06:53 PM | #59 | |
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07-28-2015, 07:38 PM | #60 |
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LOL! I would love if they had retractable claws. That's awesome.
I think the third toe thing was seriously scrapped before it was implemented, along with the claws. I still don't get why everyone is so insistent they are red eared sliders. They never as baby pre mutated Turtles look like red eared sliders. Nor do they currently. It was just something Steve Murphy made up one time. And he made up a lot of things.
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