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As far as their physical skills go, it always actually made sense to me that there would be a difference in fighting ability between them. Leo's obsessive, Raph has a ton of aggression, Mikey's a goofball and Donatello prefers tinkering to training and pacifism to fighting. To me, from "Best" to "Worst" it would be Leo, Raph, Mike, and Don.
I know some people feel like that relegates Mike and Don to the "B-Team" but I always saw that they contributed in other ways. And not that they can't fight, but they clearly wouldn't have the same skills or strategic thinking of someone who trains and studies as obsessively as Leo, or someone with the raw power and aggression of Raphael. That's how I always saw it in my head, anyway.
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Yeah, I have no problem with that.
Mike and Don both have other things they like to do besides martial arts. Leo and Raph, for the most part, don't. I disagree with earlier statements that Leo is ever too good in Mirage though. Maybe by his old age in the few future stories we see, and he's the best fighter in the group, but it's not ridiculous or anything. He does as well as any of the Turtles do against the Foot Elite in "City at War" and only manages to not get killed by Shredder in "Return to New York" because of a freak accident. Quote:
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I always thought Leonardo's whole character development was to show the tyranny in the pursuit of perfection. His epiphany was to realize the joys that imperfection gives. He realizes he is not the best. He realizes that being the best is not what being a leader is about. Being a leader is about letting others grow just as much as him, to be unselfish. Of course some peeps don't give a SHELL about story so they just god mode Leo and call it a day. Not realizing that they are supposed to be telling a visual story that needs a purpose to exist at all. While I always thought Raphael's character development was to accept the monstrosity within. There is an evil inside all of us. His character is used to explore the inclination to kill. His epiphany is to remember his family and the forgotten love. Ya know the cheesiest kind of ending were love conquers all that is evil. Sadly there is so much untapped potential in all the turtles. Each turtle offers a unique story that could have been represented better. Instead of going on fantastical scientific adventures with Donatello we are just given the no-brained love story. I really think people underestimate Donatello too much. His character could have been so wonderful and a inspiration to view science differently. To view science as something amazing instead of a headache. But noo, instead they choose to belittle being smart. What kind of story is that!? A story that demonstrates how out of place and looked down upon you would be if you decided to pursue science stuff. Well conflict is still a good story too. |
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I read the last couple Mirage issues again the other day and was reminded of how late-Mirage Michelangelo was straight up participating in a genocidal space war for fun and revenge. Like he's grossed out for a second when they murder civilians by dropping chemical weapons on them, but is right back to "ok where's the enemy I wanna bust heads" moments later. He's hanging out with murdering space racists and enjoying it.
These issues also have yet another example of Donatello hiding something from the others, even though it was done from a place of kindness.
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I was watching the 80's toon, and it got me thinking. Back then, when it came to fighting styles and strengths, nothing was really mentioned. Now, when people talk about it, it's Leo is the most skilled, Raph is the most strongest, Mikey the most acrobatic and speediest and Donny is the smartest.
When did these traits start to take shape? Was it in Mirage, maybe on the back of some toys, or, was it just fans coming up with stuff that never really was canon? Only time I saw Raph's strength being eluded was in the 2007 movie, when you could actually see the muscle definition in him was more considerable, but what about Mikey? |
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Reading the Mirage comics, I always did assume Leo was the most skilled and Raph was the strongest. It was heavily implied that Donnie was the smart one, but I don't remember him making nearly as many gadgets as he did in the cartoons. I don't think it's ever been said that Mikey is the fastest. |
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Yeah, I think it's mentioned in more than one source that Mikey has the most natural ability, and would easily be stronger than any of his brothers if he had the focus and the drive to do so.
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