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Old 10-28-2019, 11:43 PM   #21
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Did you just call me an extremist because I don't prefer film grain?

Go create a thread where you post your home theater calibration (if you're old enough to actually own a home theater, which I'm guessing is no). All of your settings are probably at ten.



Sounds like a great idea for a modern rebranding of the Superbit or Criterion collections....... One of the best releases akin to what you are getting at would still be Blade Runner's HD was release. The 4k transfer of the film is nice and not overly grainy -ahem-, but you can't beat the content in that 1080p release....
no i called you an extremist based on your assumptions about me based on one snarky comment i made, that was vitriol in your definition apparently.

i'd post my home theater info and age but hey, you already know all about me so that's redundant right?
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Old 10-30-2019, 11:43 PM   #22
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Sounds like a great idea for a modern rebranding of the Superbit or Criterion collections....... One of the best releases akin to what you are getting at would still be Blade Runner's HD was release. The 4k transfer of the film is nice and not overly grainy -ahem-, but you can't beat the content in that 1080p release....
Yeah Criterion was what I had in mind. I mean it'd be a long shot to see one specifically for TMNT, since it's ultra-niche and not even film nerd niche. I mean we still don't even have a Director's Cut in most countries.
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Old 10-31-2019, 10:46 AM   #23
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long shot to see one specifically for TMNT, since it's ultra-niche and not even film nerd niche.
It shouldn't be this way either. For example, if people allegedly have all sorts of strange film respect for The Dark Crystal - an uncompelling morbid puppet show of strangeness - then the original TMNT flick should have some clout for the at-the-time cutting edge puppetry and pretty solid urban narrative & cinematography.

But then again, I suppose if that happened then film snobs would sort of have to acknowledge Garbage Pail Kids by proxy and we know that isn't going to happen, soooo......

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It shouldn't be this way either. For example, if people allegedly have all sorts of strange film respect for The Dark Crystal - an uncompelling morbid puppet show of strangeness - then the original TMNT flick should have some clout for the at-the-time cutting edge puppetry and pretty solid urban narrative & cinematography.

But then again, I suppose if that happened then film snobs would sort of have to acknowledge Garbage Pail Kids by proxy and we know that isn't going to happen, soooo......

If I remember right, it was also the highest-grossing indie film of all time up to that point.

I do think I personally would argue it has historical and artistic merit, but Turtles is always considered small fish even in contexts where it dominated.
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Old 10-31-2019, 10:09 PM   #25
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There's precedent for non-art house releases by Criterion. Hell, there's a Criterion DVD for The Rock!

And they wouldn't get rid of the grain!
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Old 10-31-2019, 10:20 PM   #26
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LOL!

I don't mind film grain as much as was perceived by that other dufus. But my point was take a movie like 300, where film grain was introduced to the film as an artistic measure and then greatly exacerbated by high-def.

I just don't like it to overwhelm the image because it reduces verisimilitude and takes you out of the immersion of the story.

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Old 10-31-2019, 10:26 PM   #27
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To each their own!

From what I understand, the film is so grainy in parts due to Golden Harvest pushing the film exposure because they thought it was too dark. "Pushing" is the process of leaving it in the chemical bath longer, making the image brighter AND grainy.

Whoever our hero publisher is, I hope they hire Isaac and the Definitive Film "TURTLE POWER" guys to produce the supplemental content.
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Old 11-03-2019, 10:58 AM   #28
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There's precedent for non-art house releases by Criterion. Hell, there's a Criterion DVD for The Rock!

And they wouldn't get rid of the grain!
It's been a while since I've seen Criterion handle films like The Rock and Armageddon.

I'd imagine, if anyone, it would Shout Factory. They're currently licensing titles from WB and have a history of doing of like-titles, such as Power Rangers and Ninja Turtles: The Next Mutation. They've also delivered long-requested alternate cuts, like Nightbreed and Exorcist III.

Plus, they'd most likely handle all 3 films.

Then again, Warner Archives has been stepping up a little. About a year or so ago, they released the 3-hour cut of Superman and recently they released the international cut of Mr. Nice Guy, which is a Golden Harvest title.
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Old 11-03-2019, 08:20 PM   #29
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To each their own!

From what I understand, the film is so grainy in parts due to Golden Harvest pushing the film exposure because they thought it was too dark.
This was an interesting factoid I hadn't heard before. -thumb's up-
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Old 11-05-2019, 11:41 AM   #30
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Even with the exposure push, the 1990 film has arguably the best cinematography of the series. With its use of shadows and natural lighting in the farm scenes, it gives the film a sense of rawness (the extreme graininess is straight up punk rock-ish at times, flashbacks especially) and compliments the creature designs in a way its successors never did. To me, it's still the only film where it genuinely feels like the Turtles are in the real world.

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Old 11-05-2019, 12:03 PM   #31
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Even with the exposure push, the 1990 film has arguably the best cinematography of the series. With its use of shadows and natural lighting in the farm scenes, it gives the film a sense of rawness (the extreme graininess is straight up punk rock-ish at times, flashbacks especially) and compliments the creature designs in a way its predecessors never did. To me, it's still the only film where it genuinely feels like the Turtles are in the real world.
110%. The DP and Barron did a lot of testing to give it that exact feel, too. It's a shame they didn't stick with the look for SOTO.
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Old 11-08-2019, 04:24 PM   #32
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Predator and T2 are huge examples of this. so bad that they were redone by the studios.
They didn't even get it right with T2. The whole thing has been drenched in a vat of teal! The horror...why does every film have to be filtered in teal today?

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LOL!I don't mind film grain as much as was perceived by that other dufus. But my point was take a movie like 300, where film grain was introduced to the film as an artistic measure and then greatly exacerbated by high-def.
But wasn't 300 shot digitally? I mean I'm pretty sure it would have no grain if it wasn't shot on film.

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From what I understand, the film is so grainy in parts due to Golden Harvest pushing the film exposure because they thought it was too dark. "Pushing" is the process of leaving it in the chemical bath longer, making the image brighter AND grainy.
From what I understand the first movie is very grainy because that film was shot with Golden Harvest's standard film stock. It ended up looking unsurprisingly like one of their martial arts movies. When the first movie took off they then had the money to use better film stock for the sequels.

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Yeah Criterion was what I had in mind. I mean it'd be a long shot to see one specifically for TMNT, since it's ultra-niche and not even film nerd niche. I mean we still don't even have a Director's Cut in most countries.
If you look at the stuff Shout Factory in the US release or Arrow in the UK release a lot of that stuff makes the 90s TMNT famous as hell. If that really obscure stuff can get a 4K or 2K scan with tons of extras these movies can as well as they're more well known.
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Old 11-08-2019, 07:20 PM   #33
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But wasn't 300 shot digitally? I mean I'm pretty sure it would have no grain if it wasn't shot on film.
That's why I said verbatim that it was introduced to the film as an artistic measure. That one in particular looked fine and carried the vibe in the theater, but under HD it's completely over saturated.
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They didn't even get it right with T2. The whole thing has been drenched in a vat of teal! The horror...why does every film have to be filtered in teal today?
It is awful and even worse when you view the other cuts of the film, which intercut the new transfer with the old.

I love 4K and HDR, but the need to check off the later by giving it those ugly teal/orange gradings is a real turn off.
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