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I thought it was implied, I'm sorry.
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They had general ideas. Fine. That's what I said. Anything on paper? Anything conclusive, and coherent, and structured, with a firm beginning, middle and end? I doubt it. Produce it, and I'll believe. Without seeing, there IS no believing.
Also, 7 months would be essentially the same as two days when compared to how long it usually takes to get a script made that a studio will accept. Those things take a long time, when they're being handled with care. That's why some movie series go years in between sequel production, it takes a long time to come up with a story everyone agrees will be good enough. In this case, however, the story is the absolute LEAST important thing, so it's no shock it was handled in a rushed and slapdash manner. They were casting major roles like Casey and Rocksteady and "trying to figure out how to make certain characters work" when they were halfway done shooting the f*cking movie. Come on already. It's not "bullsh*t", it's about how movies are made in general. They had a general idea of what movie they wanted to make, but that's it. I will find a way to buy you a Lunchables if someone proves to me they wrote a script, for EITHER of the TMNT movies. If they can provide a script for BOTH movies, I'll buy you one of the extra-large Lunchables that costs an extra dollar or whatever. No foolin'. I can make that bet because it doesn't take a genius to see how they more than likely didn't have a script. So yeah, you have faith, I want Proof.
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01-22-2016, 09:56 PM | #1005 |
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They did write a script for the first movie. Didn't you read the Blue Door?
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I'm still fairly convinced the trucks in snow scene was some unfinished unused CG from an unrelated movie that they decided to re-purpose. A good half of the Blue Door script existed just to set up that one scene, like as if they started with "we have this mountain snow scene" and had to make that work with "the TMNT are in New York City".
"Hey we got this semi-finished truck slide effect, what should we do with it?" "What license can we pick up easy?"
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As for 7 month that's plenty of time to get a script written, revised, rewritten, a locked down. Before preproduction even started. And that only if they didn't start until they officially announced the sequel which is ridiculous to think they had dent already started. And that's not the day they were cast it was the day they were announced lol. that quote is from well before they started filming. And I have proof there were multiple scripts for the movie. There's a page of one version right in the visual history.
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Why would I trust people who've proven to consistently be bad at their job?
7 months would be lightspeed-levels of turnaround to go through all that. Study the business. Granted, the story isn't the focus of these films. But that's STILL a really rushed and stupid production schedule. No film where the story actually MATTERS has an entire story go from concept to finished script in that amount of time. On the other hand, if the plot is secondary to the CGI and the action scenes, to the point where "words on paper" aren't "required" anymore, well... And once AGAIN, much bigger, much more important movies were filmed completely without a script. It happens all the time. Again, study the business. Of course, then you also have movies like Fantastic 4, that DID have a script... that the director completely ignored in favor of making things up on the fly. Point being, lots of movies film without a script... they're almost universally garbage - Just like THESE movies! WOW, I never would have guessed! But the point is, it's standard industry practice on movies where "telling a story" isn't important at all next to "selling toys". And make no mistake, these movies are 100% about the latter and 0% the former. Yet you persist in thinking that THIS series of trash films is somehow being given the TLC treatment. "Nothing but the best." Gag me. Even infants aren't that naive. A page isn't a script. They didn't have a script. They most likely assumed they didn't need one. "Trust?" Try, "analyzing evidence and applying basic common sense to come to a conclusion," not, "I'm an optimist so I'll believe what I want even if it's provably false." Don't ever try and represent yourself in court. If you ignore every other bit of advice I give you, please take that one. Your ability to completely misread or disregard factual evidence that disrupts your personal narrative is staggering.
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I don't think the CG was done, per-se, but the rest of it...I couldn't agree more. I put it off to having paid money for a script, and the sleigh ride was the pitch they used to sell the concept. "there's this great scene, like nothing you've EVER seen before". They built the entire movie around the stupid snow scene, because somebody signed off on it in the very beginning. It was the stupid giant Spider of the PD production. Possibly, it was the only set piece they knew they could keep, that didn't revolve around aliens. They say you should kill your darlings, and this is a textbook example of why. Some people feel, that nothing you paid for should ever go to wast. Bay, is actually a very cheap person. He cuts corners, like my grandmother did; if you don't eat your lunch, it's your dinner. It will be your breakfast too if you don't force it down. Moldy cheese? Just more flavor. It's not stale if you toast it. Oatmeal and powdered milk will keep you warm all winter. But yeah, we absolutely got a car built around a bumpersticker. |
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Same reason why Fox HAD to be April; typically, you need One Big Scene, and One Big Name before your movie gets a green light, because it's assumed those two things are what will bring in the customers, all else be damned. So, it was, "You need that Snow Chase scene, and you need Megan Fox to play April... but otherwise, we completely don't care what you do. Go nuts."
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Oh, no no no. You're giving PD way too much credit here. They did have a script, primarily two of them.
The Fusco script and the Blue Door, both scrapped (one for a better reason then the other obviously). And then the director made scenes for three different movies, got them edited to a pre-screening for Bay. Bay under a steak dinner told Liebsman the movie was too dark and sucked, so they had to reshoot the whole thing and make yet again scenes for a 4th version of the movie. Best decisions ever. Last edited by Candy Kappa; 01-23-2016 at 06:00 AM. |
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Okay, let me clarify further: At one point, at least for the first movie, they had scripts. HAD. We knew that. But they were ultimately little more than suggestions when it came time to actually make the movie, and the movie they wrote was in no way the movie they shot and edited. Which is the next "best" thing to not having a script at all.
It was a slapdash hack job, regardless of semantics. As this one is, too! Only a fool would argue.
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First off, a trophy to Leo for everything he said here. Movies cranked out without proper shooting scripts happens all the time, and most of the time they're awful. It doesn't mean that there wasn't a discarded first draft in the mix, or that there weren't some quickly-produced dialogue pages (often written the night before shooting that particular scene). It just means that there wasn't a coherent, structured, well-written story in the first place, and they were trying to patch things up and fill in the gaps on the fly and/or in post-production. It's not unusual for a cash-in blockbuster like this to have the major action set-pieces worked out ahead of time but almost nothing else. And considering how quickly they raced this one into production, that's a smart bet here too.
I think you're confusing "trust" with blind faith. Trust is earned. And considering it's 95% the same team making this movie that made the last hot mess, why exactly should anyone trust them? They lost the right to trust. It's a-okay to be optimistic, but you also need to use critical thinking based on actual evidence. If someone offers you a fresh deluxe pizza and the delivery box is filled with rancid dog food, you'd have to be insanely naive to completely trust them the second time. That book came out a month and a half before the movie was released, timed to tie in with its promotion, and it included material that hugely contradicted the plot of the final movie. That alone tells you how poorly they planned the thing and how last-minute they were trying to patch up the holes in their terrible movie.
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I need that, too. All I've got is "Blue Door", which I only read when I'm hungover to punish myself for the indulgences of the night before and to induce vomiting.
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I noticed that the UK release date has changed from June 3rd to May 30th.
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7 months seems to be bays staple though
remember transformers 2 came out also immediately after 1 and he admitted to no script cause it was the time of the writers strike
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