US citizens crowdfund the border wall

[Andrew NDB]

It's like, really, really bothering people on a fundamental level that there are so many people out there willing to dig into their own pockets for the wall. They're pretending like they're just laughing at the people doing so but really it's just anger, pure and simple.

Social media is pretty hard to look at today, good gravy.

[Candy Kappa]

Originally Posted by MrPliggins

8 and a half million down, 991 and a half million to go..plus 4 billion. This'll happen in no time.

And another $20b, plus maintenance... maybe crowdfunding for that too?

[Vegita-San]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

It's like, really, really bothering people on a fundamental level that there are so many people out there willing to dig into their own pockets for the wall. They're pretending like they're just laughing at the people doing so but really it's just anger, pure and simple.

Social media is pretty hard to look at today, good gravy.

it has been for the last two years.

it's not just trump derangement syndrome... at this point it's degraded into derangement syndrome.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Even if the wall isn't paid with tax-money, the project can hopefully be stopped before completion if Donald Trump loses in November 2020.

Meanwhile, time for a great song from days when walls were demolished and people didn't want anything to do with them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4RjJKxsamQ

[Vegita-San]

I just don't think a wall will be that effective.

Are there not ALREADY barriers/walls around to keep people out? yet somehow they get in. A wall would just stand as a symbol against illegal immigration more than anything.

[Andrew NDB]

My thing is, a better wall may or may not be 100% effective... but it is doing something to deter illegal immigration. As opposed to nothing. As opposed to just talking.

At present illegal immigration costs well over $100 billion a year. If that puts even a 10% dent in that a year, it pays for itself in 3.

And Trump was pretty open about Mexico paying for the wall "one way or another." The new trade deal with Mexico does that over time, quickly. Win win, all across the boards.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

The biggest question is- what, ultimately, will be gained from it? It is unsightly, expensive, a detriment to the ecosystems along the border, and makes us look isolationist and paranoid as a nation. None of this is good. There are better ways to ensure "border security" than an ugly, environmentally hazardous, overpriced, and symbolically racist wall.

[sdp]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

And Trump was pretty open about Mexico paying for the wall "one way or another." The new trade deal with Mexico does that over time, quickly. Win win, all across the boards.

Can you explain to me exactly how the new trade deal does this? I'm extremely familiar with NAFTA and understand the not so big changes they made to it when they decided to call it USMCA for PR purposes so I'm wondering how I missed this.

[IndigoErth]

Question... Do people who donate to things on that site get their money back if something doesn't really go through with?

If it very possibly never gains near enough (esp since the goal is a far cry from the real price tag), or if there were issues still in the way of building a wall that prevents it from happening...do these people at least get their money back or is it just gone?

I see that the guy behind it is a Vet. I hope that if this proves futile and their money can't be returned that he'd at least use it for a good cause, perhaps for vets.

[Vegita-San]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

The biggest question is- what, ultimately, will be gained from it? It is unsightly, expensive, a detriment to the ecosystems along the border, and makes us look isolationist and paranoid as a nation. None of this is good. There are better ways to ensure "border security" than an ugly, environmentally hazardous, overpriced, and symbolically racist wall.

It's hardly racist.

Coming here illegally, is, well, illegal. There is a law abiding process that must be followed if you want to properly contribute to the good will of this country. The GOOD people from Mexico know how to come here the PROPER way, just like every other modern country.

We are probably one of the very few countries that treat illegals better than actual citizens in some cases. other places you're more likely to get shot rather than sent back.

[Andrew NDB]

"Illegal immigrant" is not a race.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Yet MOST of the illegal immigrants said wall would "stop" are Latino, ergo- racist. In other words, that wall was designed for ONE purpose ONLY- to keep Central and South Americans (mainly Latinos) out of the US. It's about as blatantly bigoted as you can get. It would stand as a silent declaration that "we don't want YOUR kind here". Because illegal immigrants from, say.... Russia, India, or China? Would NOT be coming over/through the stinking wall!! In other words, it is directed SOLELY toward ONE ethnicity! Which is racist. Pretty simple.

[Redeemer]

I did calculations and the average per donation is $60 or the price of a brand new video game I wonder what the highest donation is ???

[Redeemer]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

Yet MOST of the illegal immigrants said wall would "stop" are Latino, ergo- racist. In other words, that wall was designed for ONE purpose ONLY- to keep Central and South Americans (mainly Latinos) out of the US. It's about as blatantly bigoted as you can get. It would stand as a silent declaration that "we don't want YOUR kind here". Because illegal immigrants from, say.... Russia, India, or China? Would NOT be coming over/through the stinking wall!! In other words, it is directed SOLELY toward ONE ethnicity! Which is racist. Pretty simple.

I agree that we should not keep out or disenfranchise people based on their ethnicity.But that is not why we need to enforce immigration policy and protect our borders. Illegal Immigrants are a nuisance on our economy and resources. They undercut wages and take resources away from others who we really need to help. The people in Syria and other war torn countries need our help the most.....

I hate to spend more money on enforcing illegal immigration, but we need to do something... I am tired of these half-measures.... either all or nothing please!

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Redeemer

I hate to spend more money on enforcing illegal immigration, but we need to do something... I am tired of these half-measures.... either all or nothing please!

You do know illegal immigration fuels most of our blue collar jobs, right? You want any new buildings built, commercial or residential, you ain't getting university-degree blue-blood American citizens doing that. Or the food industry. Or harvesting crops.

Dirty little secret... nobody's ever gonna really put a stop to it.

[IndigoErth]

Personally I've thought for a while that we need to build some kind of large facility at the border where people can stay, with just the basic amenities via solar/wind powered electricity, some kind of renewable water system, etc. Just the basics. Food is up to them. Maybe some charities could help and perhaps if they have money with them it could be a boon for vendors on either side of the border. It would be a safe place to go for people who really need to be there -- and while there they can fill out and submit their paper work for legal entry, and if they really need to they can stay there while they wait for approval (or rejection). Obviously it wouldn't stop the impatient who don't care, but for all those who'd at least care to do it legally, it would give them a place to stay for the time being instead of just trying to storm the gates or be locked up like in a detention center.

[Redeemer]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

You do know illegal immigration fuels most of our blue collar jobs, right? You want any new buildings built, commercial or residential, you ain't getting university-degree blue-blood American citizens doing that. Or the food industry. Or harvesting crops.

Dirty little secret... nobody's ever gonna really put a stop to it.

You realize that is a bs lie you just told

Most= more than 50%

Illegal immigrants account for less than 15% of the hispanic/Latino population

So it is statistically impossible for most blue collar jobs to be accounted for by illegals.

But they undercut wages bc employers know they can pay them less bc they are illegally here taking jobs away from blue collar unionized workers.

So try again please

edit for facts. lol foreigners legal and illegal account for only 17% of construction workers lol way off from "mostly"

https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/forbrn.pdf

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Depending on your area, he is actually right. Texas has a fairly high percentage of construction and food service jobs held by immigrants. I should know- I work with a whole store full of them. More than HALF our crew are primarily Spanish-speaking immigrants, and the same is true of almost every chain restaurant in our town- which is a rural community with a lot of immigrant agriculture and construction workers. Oil fields and rock-haulers, Or even truck drivers in general. They make up a big chunk of our population here. Most speak only basic or rudimentary English- as evidenced by how often they ask "Espaniol" when ordering. Many also still have family south of the border, too. Don't know about up north, but here, at least, he is absolutely correct!

[Roseangelo]

The stupidest thing about this is that people have just given some random dude $10M with no accountability to actually build a wall. This isn't Kickstarter where you aren't charged unless you reach the goal. This guy has $10M right now.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

Depending on your area, he is actually right. Texas has a fairly high percentage of construction and food service jobs held by immigrants. I should know- I work with a whole store full of them. More than HALF our crew are primarily Spanish-speaking immigrants, and the same is true of almost every chain restaurant in our town- which is a rural community with a lot of immigrant agriculture and construction workers. Oil fields and rock-haulers, Or even truck drivers in general. They make up a big chunk of our population here. Most speak only basic or rudimentary English- as evidenced by how often they ask "Espaniol" when ordering. Many also still have family south of the border, too. Don't know about up north, but here, at least, he is absolutely correct!

How many of them are living in the nation illegally?