Times you felt like your intelligence was insulted in TMNT media?

[mikey0]

Originally Posted by Prowler

In FW: The Turtles not using their weapons much despite being ninjas: I'm not sure if this is the series fault per se or due to backlash from the media and parents back in the day.

To be fair, the syndicated show and Saturday morning cartoon were 30 minute toy commercials most of the time. The intent of the first mini-series (best episodes of the program) was to sell the first wave of basic action figures and accessories in the year after it aired.

I actually have a cousin who wanted to see the allies and adversaries of the Turtles introduced from season 2 to 5 to use their weapons more. Imagine Baxter Stockman using the anti-turtle swatter in the weekday cartoon. That would have been something to see.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

How about the bad guys in the Fred Wolf series having their rayguns so weakly loaded that Leonardo could use his swords to reflect the laser rays? (I think they broke in a few episodes being hit, but not often). I think even Donatello used his bo stick for that at least once or twice.

[Utrommaniac]

Honestly, even deep into IDW, Leo being able to cut through metal like butter with his swords is a tough pill to swallow. Especially in the Krang fights. (In that same scenario, Raph being able to puncture the face and glass shield).


That's not how swords work. That's not even a little bit how swords work. That armor's metal must be pretty sh*t if it's that easy to cut apart, and it's a wonder that Krang wasn't easily defeated a long time ago if the metal is that fragile.


(Trib being able to blow a whole arm off with a heavy gun was more reasonable...and more bad@$$)

[DarkFell]

Originally Posted by mikey0

I actually have a cousin who wanted to see the allies and adversaries of the Turtles introduced from season 2 to 5 to use their weapons more. Imagine Baxter Stockman using the anti-turtle swatter in the weekday cartoon. That would have been something to see.

I would have loved to see April O'Neil pull out that gun that was concealed within her camcorder. She would have been abducted less often. (It came with her action figure.)

Heck, Krang could have had a total victory if he used that Brain Drain Gun that came with the toy version of his Bubble Walker. Even Rocksteady might have been more useful if he used his knife more. (That also came with the toy.) Even Bebop could have used his trash-can shield more often.

But, you know how people (see: parents) can get whenever weapons are used in cartoons..

[Dejablue]

Originally Posted by Utrommaniac

Honestly, even deep into IDW, Leo being able to cut through metal like butter with his swords is a tough pill to swallow. Especially in the Krang fights. (In that same scenario, Raph being able to puncture the face and glass shield).


That's not how swords work. That's not even a little bit how swords work. That armor's metal must be pretty sh*t if it's that easy to cut apart, and it's a wonder that Krang wasn't easily defeated a long time ago if the metal is that fragile.


(Trib being able to blow a whole arm off with a heavy gun was more reasonable...and more bad@$$)

Yeah. I mean this isn't QUITE as bad as stormtrooper effect but it's close. Something that happens a lot in fiction is, the more bullets are flying on screen, the less likely anyone will actually get hit.

And Swords can cut through basically anything unless the plot specifically says they can't. These are things only a few people will complain about tho. I would appreciate it more if there was a storyline where the turtles got weapon upgrades. They've already been to space, why not have a story where they forged weapons made out of rare ultra strong alien metal. Then everything they face on earth getting cut like butter would make sense.

But as it is, most readers will just go "omg rule of kewl XD"

[IndigoErth]

The original cartoon is so guilty of that stuff. I wouldn't really say I feel like it insults anyone's intelligence with it, but it's one of the things that makes me laugh because there is so much of it and looking back there is a lot that is just so unintentionally funny. (And I got the DVD set for Christmas so I'm just now giving the whole thing a fresh rewatch.)

And in that series it's not even so much that a cartoon sword can slice right through steel with ease, but that there are other moments when he tries it with other materials that should be FAR easier to cut and instead he's hacking away at it.

Likewise, one I was laughing at last night, is Shredder throwing a regular little ninja star at them, it hits a bookcase and the whole thing explodes. I will never understand how non-explosive things explode in their world. Same with Donnie whacking a piece of machinery with his bo just once and the whole thing is explodes. Things are so easily destroyed. Maybe metal is just a very weak, volatile material in their universe... lol

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Characters mutating changing clothes (Fred Wolf)

[Utrommaniac]

Speaking of the things I just said, while reading further, and looking at Splinter, Shredder, and Karai all refer to the turtles as "uncoordinated" and "lacking focus" in combat...just how were they able to fight Krang and the Rock Soldiers as closely as they did? I don't think their first encounter with literal aliens should have gone as well as it did if their skills are that bad according to the masters.

[sdp]

Turtles Forever

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Originally Posted by sdp

Turtles Forever

Do you mean those stupid mutants who were seen on the Fred Wolf Earth, and the turtles saving April O'Neil?

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by sdp

Turtles Forever

Again with this? Making fun of a bad cartoon you have nostalgia for isn't the same as insulting your intelligence.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

All this talking of 2-D Earth, 3-D Earth in Transdimensional Turtles, and the Mirage Earth in Turtles Forever and Transdimensional Turtles being like a comic. Just like the 4 Kids series, they are all meant to represent the real world.

[Candy Kappa]

When Playmates made the "Toon" Classics figures

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

When Playmates made the "Toon" Classics figures

Why? Because many of the figures didn't look like in the cartoon?

[mikey0]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

When Playmates made the "Toon" Classics figures

I think the toy makers at Playmates were feeling a little too nostalgic for Looney Tunes like parents in the 90s because of Mel Blanc’s passing, the 50th anniversary of Bugs Bunny and the popularity of the Warner Brothers catalog back then. Toon Raph and Leo are scarier than Breakfightin’ Raphael. In case you can’t tell, I’m in the camp of people that is against variants in action figure lines. I can tolerate some, but sublines of them I loathe.

Originally Posted by Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

Why? Because many of the figures didn't look like in the cartoon?

Well, in defense of Playmates, twenty seven years ago, technology was not as advance as it is right now. The 2017 NECA San Diego Comic Con exclusives were what children of the 90s wanted then, but the likenesses would not have been easy to achieve in those days. 1987 Fred Wolf cartoon accurate turtles, villains, and side characters would not have fit well into the 1988 original toyline at all. The toon turtles did not either.

[Candy Kappa]

Originally Posted by Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

Why? Because many of the figures didn't look like in the cartoon?

All of them don't look cartoon accurate nor like the 1988 action figures. The closest is the Turtles being more akin to the Retro art style while Bebop and Rocksteady are completely re-designed and what we saw of Shredder and Krang they where not accurate either.

The paint job was laughable as the minimal paint the figures had, Playmates managed to fumble it up with wonky eyes and Rocksteady's neck not painted. And the articulation scheme is terrible, a jumbled mess that shows that Playmates did not put care into where the articulation should go and why certain PoA works.

The whole Classics line was a cheap grab at the collectors marked without actually putting care into the product or bothering to make a good product. It was just a lazy tag-along on the "Classics" label that Mattel was doing with Masters of the Universe.

A proper Classics line should ahve been either screen accurate like NECA's 8-pack set or a modern update to the 1988 figures like Mattel did with MOTUC, we got neither, we got junk.

Originally Posted by mikey0

I think the toy makers at Playmates were feeling a little too nostalgic for Looney Tunes like parents in the 90s because of Mel Blanc’s passing, the 50th anniversary of Bugs Bunny and the popularity of the Warner Brothers catalog back then..

Not sure what this have anything to do with the Classics line...

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Nickelodeon Rocksteady destroying the Fred Wolf Technodrome with one single bazooka shot in the 2017 crossovers.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Originally Posted by Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

Nickelodeon Rocksteady destroying the Fred Wolf Technodrome with one single bazooka shot in the 2017 crossovers.

To be fair, it doesn't show the technodrome getting outright destroyed, and I don't think it would be destroyed considering that it has survived much worse.

I like to believe that the turtles returned it back to Dimension X without the villains, and that led into season 8 of the Original Toon.

[mikey0]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

Not sure what this have anything to do with the Classics line...

The zany cartoon tropes from Looney Tunes and several Hanna-Barbera programs were mechanisms used for the Toon Turtles sub-wave from the original Playmates line that was first sold in the ‘92 to ‘93 winter season.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

To be fair, it doesn't show the technodrome getting outright destroyed, and I don't think it would be destroyed considering that it has survived much worse.

I like to believe that the turtles returned it back to Dimension X without the villains, and that led into season 8 of the Original Toon.

But if that's the case, at least Get Shredder must have taken place first.

Order:

1). Shredder Trimumphant (the Technodrome ends up in Dimension X)

2.) Get Shredder

3). 2017 crossovers

4). Wrath of the Rat King (2017 crossovers explain how the Technodrome ends up in a black hole)

4). Rest of season 8