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Old 07-17-2019, 08:20 PM   #1
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The Quartering critisizes IDW Turtles



So this guy isn't a fan of ninja turtles. But he is claiming that because Jennika is a turtle, the entire comic must be "woke" sjw garbage. He says "what happened to the ninja turtles?" But its incredibly obvious that he doesn't read the comics.

The main criticism I see from him and others is that Jennika isn't pretty. People want her to look like Venus, when years and years ago people hated the mere existence of that character. Also how dare the reptile monster not have boobs. Am I Rite guys??

He calls the IDW comic trash even though it is devastatingly obvious that he doesn't read it. This is infuriating. He needs to keep his mouth shut. He has no idea what he is talking about.
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Old 07-17-2019, 08:43 PM   #2
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Yeah, this kinda crap pops up whenever anything related to women or any sort of inclusive content happens in comics. Best to just ignore these big babies and let them yell into their cameras.
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Old 07-17-2019, 08:48 PM   #3
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I woudn't take these youtubers seriously. They make a living on posting negative videos. In fact CNet did a hit piece about these Youtubers.
https://www.cnet.com/news/meet-the-a...ge-into-views/
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Old 07-17-2019, 09:51 PM   #4
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Yeah, this kinda crap pops up whenever anything related to women or any sort of inclusive content happens in comics. Best to just ignore these big babies and let them yell into their cameras.


I just thought that tmnt fans were the kind to be aware of the fact that turtle tits are a stupid idea best left on DeviantArt? Apparently not.
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Old 07-17-2019, 10:03 PM   #5
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[This got long, sorry.]

Cripe, what do people really expect a female Turtle to look like? "She doesn't have human characteristics! This CONFUSES me! #HATEIT"

Generally, I wasn't in support of adding a female Turtle again. I don't hate Venus, she kind of got shorted on what she really could have been (sans reptile boobs), but how they went about her is annoying and Jennika here is, at least at this point in time of very limited information and insight, miles beyond her.

It gets a little old that male characters tend to get to be normal, basic characters and everyone assumes they're a guy... but in order for anyone to feel like they can even understand that one is a girl she has to be given stereotypical gender signifiers or unnatural human ones if they aren't human.

But on the occasion where it isn't made obvious in the way that everyone is so used to, it really only matters for, what, only a minute until the media points it out? Tigress from Kung Fu Panda has always been a good (and sadly rare) example of this, imo. Because of how things typically tend to be done, did I realize at first that she's a SHE? No... But the minute they call her by her name and use "her" and she" well then you know she's a she, no big deal, moving on. (And it's cool that a tiger wasn't given weird human characteristics so an audience, presumed to be dumb apparently, can figure it out.)


Sometimes I wonder what it would be like if male characters were forced into a particular gender "uniform" so we can be SURE to know that they're guys. Like, from now on, ALL males will wear a bow tie (forget the masks, all boy Turtles get their signature colored bow ties from now on!) as a male signifying accessory; if they are a species that normally doesn't have hair, they will and it will be a distinguishable human male haircut; and 75% of their clothing color palette will consist of the color red with orange and white as complimenting highlights.



As for my own opinion of Jennika at the moment... I'm a little concerned she could end up Mary Sued (I mean the number of weapons seems a little much...?) or forced to be someone's girlfriend (other than Casey), but at this point in time I actually kinda like her. I wouldn't have thought I'd like a new girl Turtle joining the gang, but going about it from this angle is kind of cool and helps that she sort of already has a background established.

My inner child is kind of digging this, because in a way, she's kind of a long ago childhood dream vicariously come true. A lot of kids back in the day (as I'm sure kids still now) wanted to be them, girls included; though as a girl, even though the guys were just as relatable, that kiddie wish always felt a step further away. Didn't help that back then the female representation tended to be all human.

Even, as the fan kid representatives, Zach comes around and wears a mask and is the honorary "fifth Turtle," but his friend Caitlyn shows up just once and corrects Zach, saying that, no, she doesn't want to be a Turtle like the actual Turtles... she wants to be a "Turtle... like April." So, no, girl viewer, you are a girl, so you can't actually be like them.

But then Jennika comes along and is a human woman who gets to be one of them. And I have to be honest, that inner kid is, for the time being, grinning a little.


And heck, I'm not even a official reader of IDW, only just peeking at some of it now and then and have the gist of what's going on at present. Someday I'll probably pick it up more, maybe. (Will be curious to see if she ever goes through a period of doing the Foot Turtle thing herself, maybe not through brain washing but perhaps being torn between 'worlds.')
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Old 07-17-2019, 10:25 PM   #6
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I've actually been surprised over the positivity from these kinds of videos. YellowFlash, someone that is just as negative as Quartering, was actually giving it a "Looks fine to me"
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Old 07-17-2019, 10:31 PM   #7
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I always have no clue who these random youtube people are and why people care about them. They're no different than someone ranting on a message board, only it's in video form so it reaches more people.

Seriously, today's youtubers are like the old ranting posters on message boards in the early 2000's...only it's a bigger deal due to how mainstream youtube and then social media is compared to confined forums.
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Old 07-17-2019, 10:34 PM   #8
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I always have no clue who these random youtube people are and why people care about them. They're no different than someone ranting on a message board, only it's in video form so it reaches more people.

Seriously, today's youtubers are like the old ranting posters on message boards in the early 2000's...only it's a bigger deal due to how mainstream youtube and then social media is compared to confined forums.

That's the problem. People listen to these idiots and just take their word for it. Thousands of people. I actually read the comic so I can smell his horse **** through the screen.
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Old 07-19-2019, 02:14 PM   #9
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Yeah I'm not surprised by this video. I can see why it would upset some. I wonder what Peter Laird thinks of them adding a female Turtle? I did point out in the comments of the video that Turtles has been popular recently, it's not faded in popularity right now anyway. Not a fan of IDW and the sales figures Jeremy shows aren't exactly inspiring. Part of the problem with IDW's TMNT as a comic is that it borrows too much from previous iterations, in this case Venus. I just kind of wish they did more of their own thing.

I remember was it last year (?) I made a thread where I asked what would happen if they created a female Turtle, whether it was being done for SJW purposes and whether fans would end up being seen as mysgnositic for simply not wanting massive changes to the source material. I don't think many chimed in with an answer. I'm sure someone can find the thread if they wanted to.

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I always have no clue who these random youtube people are and why people care about them. They're no different than someone ranting on a message board, only it's in video form so it reaches more people.

Seriously, today's youtubers are like the old ranting posters on message boards in the early 2000's...only it's a bigger deal due to how mainstream youtube and then social media is compared to confined forums.
They get their message across more easily in visual form rather than people having to read a post. Kind of obvious.

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That's the problem. People listen to these idiots and just take their word for it. Thousands of people. I actually read the comic so I can smell his horse **** through the screen.
Nah, he's correct. IDW is rubbish.

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Spoilers, Brie Larson pops up 15 times, Captain Marvel pops up 25 times. I can get not liking the movie but this guy is absolutely obsessed with it. He's like the manifestation of all those neckbeard "anti-SJWs" who are just as bad as the people they are criticizing - actually, no, they are worse. I really don't recommend that anyone else watches that sorry excuse for a video, giving this mong any Ad Revenue in exchange for getting pissed off about dumb **** is not worth it. He's literally got nothing worth saying.
I think all those videos reporting on her rubbish behaviour to be honest is the least she deserves. I'm all for it.

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All TheQuartering videos are based on reading articles about female characters or feministe agenda. He's annonying.
Not all. He calls out corruption by game developers for short changing consumers. If he calls out feminist agendas that's because that's what's popular right now.

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While it's clear he hasn't been reading the comics, his opinion is surely based purely on the negative reception that IDW has gotten on a lot of its other comics. Being an avid reader of this run of TMNT and someone who (usually) opposes SJW influence in the comics, this comic never struck me as having any of those influences. And if it does, it manages to hide them well and weave them properly into the story.
To be fair I remember Bobby Curnow saying the decision to have a female Turtle was something they felt they had to do. Make of that what you will.

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Maybe it would hurt their masculine feels to find a girl cool, so they NEED it to be made super clear to them that "this one is a girl" so they don't accidentally go liking any "girl stuff." Not being sure enough scares them.
The argument Jeremy makes is that artist Sophie Campbell (apparently formly Ross Campbell according to the video) is just recycling her deviant art.
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Old 07-19-2019, 02:29 PM   #10
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To be fair I remember Bobby Curnow saying the decision to have a female Turtle was something they felt they had to do. Make of that what you will.
I don't think he said that. Did he say that? If so, why?
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Old 07-19-2019, 03:20 PM   #11
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I don't think he said that. Did he say that? If so, why?

It hardly matters. Why can't there be a female turtle? And technically its not even a new charactere. It's just Jennika. What rules in this universe prohibit this? Nothing far as I can see. It all comes down to the fans being anal and not liking change. Even if the change is inoffensive (at least not offensive yet).

Its just a text book example of people looking for boogymen in the dark so hard that they start making up shapes out of nothing.

For the sake of argument though I do predict that Jennika won't remain a turtle forever. The IDW team probably saw the failure of Venus as a challenge.

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Nah, he's correct. IDW is rubbish.
Prove it.

Speaking of change. Its something most fans don't want. Remember when fans were screaming because the Shredder wasn't going to be in Rise? So if nothing else IDW is giving them everything they want but with a new twist.
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Old 07-19-2019, 08:01 PM   #12
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I don't think he said that. Did he say that? If so, why?
Found it, maybe I'm misinterpreting?: http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/sho...54235&page=147

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"I can only speak for myself, but fan reaction isn't something that I ever think about, so folks reactions to Venus in the past isn't anything I worried about.

I can't speak for Tom, but I know he's felt it important to have a female Turtle for a while. I think it's as simple as that!"


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And I don't agree with the recycling sentiment either. An artist working on a TMNT comic did some original TMNT artwork on a personal basis that she later used as a starting point when called upon to come up with a professional sketch of a new TMNT character? *gasp* Shocking!
Yeah I get that of course. I think Jeremy is trying to say that it was self-indulgence. To be fair, we've all done that at some point so he's overreacting a little there.

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It hardly matters. Why can't there be a female turtle? And technically its not even a new charactere. It's just Jennika. What rules in this universe prohibit this? Nothing far as I can see. It all comes down to the fans being anal and not liking change. Even if the change is inoffensive (at least not offensive yet).
I think that's why I started a thread about this a couple of years ago because of these kind of reactions and possible arguments in case it happened.

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I wouldn't call IDW's track record spotless. But they are certainly not 'rubbish'. Far from it.
Not an IDW TMNT fan. Check the Unpopular Opinions thread on these forums.
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Old 07-19-2019, 03:16 PM   #13
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The argument Jeremy makes is that artist Sophie Campbell (apparently formly Ross Campbell according to the video) is just recycling her deviant art.
I fail to see how this is relevant.

And I don't agree with the recycling sentiment either. An artist working on a TMNT comic did some original TMNT artwork on a personal basis that she later used as a starting point when called upon to come up with a professional sketch of a new TMNT character? *gasp* Shocking!

How many different ways and colors can a female ninja turtle be drawn, anyway? It's hardly like doing a background character in Frieza's army for DBZ.

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Old 07-18-2019, 01:14 AM   #14
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While it's clear he hasn't been reading the comics, his opinion is surely based purely on the negative reception that IDW has gotten on a lot of its other comics. Being an avid reader of this run of TMNT and someone who (usually) opposes SJW influence in the comics, this comic never struck me as having any of those influences. And if it does, it manages to hide them well and weave them properly into the story. Cause I sure as hell haven't noticed it. When you've got **** like Female Thor as the poster child for blatant agenda pushing, people should be praising comics like TMNT for understanding what the term subtlety means.

Whatever though, people shouldn't be paying the guy any mind. Even among his peers, The Quartering is widely considered the Kotaku/Polygon-level clickbait of the anti-SJW space. Even people that share similar opinions don't like him cause he uses the same kneejerk reactionary clickbait tactics as the sites he often complains about. At the end of the day he's just a hypocrite who doesn't know what he's talking about.
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Old 07-18-2019, 03:52 AM   #15
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Old 07-18-2019, 04:58 AM   #17
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I absolutely loathe SJW crap. Just about as much as I loathe people who see a boogeyman lurking in every corner. Sometimes a mutant ninja turtle is just a mutant ninja turtle. She's a living nightmare, alright... For Karai and apparently for incels everywhere. #TeamJennika
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Where is turtle titty?! what SJW nonsense is this?! What about my boner?!
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All TheQuartering videos are based on reading articles about female characters or feministe agenda. He's annonying.
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