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Old 04-27-2018, 01:47 AM   #121
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Where do you see that?
http://variety.com/2018/film/asia/ch...or-1202781743/
http://deadline.com/2018/04/tencent-...ts-1202374522/

Tencent is only handling merchandise, marketing and distribution in China.
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Old 04-27-2018, 02:47 AM   #122
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http://variety.com/2018/film/asia/ch...or-1202781743/
http://deadline.com/2018/04/tencent-...ts-1202374522/

Tencent is only handling merchandise, marketing and distribution in China.
Fair enough. Though I'd be very interested in seeing the % of finances rendered from each of the 3 parties, as that Tenchant article makes it sound like Tenchant is the one that made this deal happen. As in... they threw in the lion's share and are shouldering the risk.

Which would make sense. Genisys wasn't profitable anywhere but China.
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Old 04-27-2018, 03:30 AM   #123
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Fair enough. Though I'd be very interested in seeing the % of finances rendered from each of the 3 parties, as that Tenchant article makes it sound like Tenchant is the one that made this deal happen. As in... they threw in the lion's share and are shouldering the risk.

Which would make sense. Genisys wasn't profitable anywhere but China.
Why would you think they were putting in the lions share? Just because of Genisys? The movie was going to be made regardless. It was already greenlit.

I’d like to know if they have any input on anything. They seem to be at the bottom of the ladder to me.
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Old 04-27-2018, 03:42 AM   #124
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Why would you think they were putting in the lions share? Just because of Genisys? The movie was going to be made regardless. It was already greenlit.
The Tenchant thing is not a new thing. We are only learning about it now. You don't get a movie greenlit with only half or less of finances in check... you get it greenlit with 100%.
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Old 04-27-2018, 04:22 AM   #125
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The Tenchant thing is not a new thing. We are only learning about it now. You don't get a movie greenlit with only half or less of finances in check... you get it greenlit with 100%.
Ya you’re probably right that the deal was made before. I still don’t see why you’d conclude they get so much control though.

Even if the deal was made from the start I think it’s pretty easy to figure either Skydance, Paramount or Fox, or a combo, invested the most since Tencent would be the newcomer and it’s an American franchise. Paramount distributed Genisys.

That first article you posted I guess kinda makes it seem they’re the main people behind it but I just saw it as Tencent wanting to get in on some of the profit because China apparently really likes Terminator.

Edit: Here’s another link about the general deal if you’re interested. It’s more about growing Skydance than changing anything.http://deadline.com/2018/01/skydance...na-1202269479/
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Old 08-02-2018, 01:45 PM   #126
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First look at the main cast of Terminator 6:



Looks like very... eh, progressive?
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Old 08-02-2018, 02:47 PM   #127
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Why is there a sixth Terminator movie in the works? Why are there any Terminator movies after the first one?

The second movie implied that you could change the future by going back in time, but somehow not erase the paradoxical child. The third said you can delay the future, but you can't change it in any other way. The fifth says you can even completely alter the circumstances and literally nothing will change.

But we saw that timeline was on a perfect loop in the first movie. Here are facts laid down by the first one.
  1. John's father is unknown.
  2. He was trained from childhood.
  3. Kyle got a crush on Sarah from a photo.
  4. Kyle is sent back because he volunteers.
  5. Sarah is stuck in a dead end job without a boyfriend during the time she could conceivably get pregnant.
  6. Kyle and Sarah bond while he protects her and they bone.
  7. Kyle dies, can't be identified because he doesn't exist yet.
  8. Pregnant Sarah escapes to Mexico.
  9. A picture of her is taken, the same one Kyle had.

It's so obvious that there's no real room for a sequel.
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Old 08-02-2018, 05:02 PM   #128
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Why is there a sixth Terminator movie in the works? Why are there any Terminator movies after the first one?

The second movie implied that you could change the future by going back in time, but somehow not erase the paradoxical child. The third said you can delay the future, but you can't change it in any other way. The fifth says you can even completely alter the circumstances and literally nothing will change.

But we saw that timeline was on a perfect loop in the first movie. Here are facts laid down by the first one.
  1. John's father is unknown.
  2. He was trained from childhood.
  3. Kyle got a crush on Sarah from a photo.
  4. Kyle is sent back because he volunteers.
  5. Sarah is stuck in a dead end job without a boyfriend during the time she could conceivably get pregnant.
  6. Kyle and Sarah bond while he protects her and they bone.
  7. Kyle dies, can't be identified because he doesn't exist yet.
  8. Pregnant Sarah escapes to Mexico.
  9. A picture of her is taken, the same one Kyle had.

It's so obvious that there's no real room for a sequel.
I mostly agree with this; I think the first film is the true classic out of the first two. Even now, I still think it has lots to unpack, thematically speaking. You could probably make some of the same points about Back to the Future.

The second still revolutionized special effects, though. I see it as more of an exercise in successful branding that happens to have an insane degree of nostalgic appeal for lots of people. A prototypical modern "summer movie" that happens to have more depth than the average film of its type.

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First look at the main cast of Terminator 6:

http://www.highlander-community.com/t6.jpg

Looks like very... eh, progressive?


The real question is, why did they decide to make John Connor a transgender twink for this new film?
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Old 08-02-2018, 06:41 PM   #129
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One promotional image out and one can already tell this is gonna suck and why. Goodbye Hollywood.
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Old 08-02-2018, 07:12 PM   #130
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Probably PG-13, too.

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One promotional image out and one can already tell this is gonna suck and why. Goodbye Hollywood.
It's almost like... this has happened before...




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Old 08-02-2018, 08:59 PM   #131
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Terminator 3 was very underrated. I know people dislike that it undoes the ending from T2 and proves the future is still set in stone, but if you view it as just a fun action movie, it's pretty entertaining. A lot of good action set pieces too and it's held up well since it came out way back in 2003.
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Terminator 3 was very underrated. I know people dislike that it undoes the ending from T2 and proves the future is still set in stone, but if you view it as just a fun action movie, it's pretty entertaining. A lot of good action set pieces too and it's held up well since it came out way back in 2003.
I agree, it is a good action movie on its own. Probably not what fans wanted and not with a particularly remarkable sci-fi plot, but it was enjoyable. Arnold was ok, not too old, the terminatrix was a cool new entry. Not sure about the guy who plays John Connor though. Marco Beltrami's score was wonderful.
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T3 was decent. Didn't like the TX controlling cars B.S., hated the super awkward/creepy/weird "You remind me of my mother!" line and would have certainly cut the "talk to the hand" business... but other than that, I really dug it just fine.
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Others have complained about that promo pic. Just stop people. There’s nothing to read into. All movies get promos that nobody gives a second thought to.

It’s ridiculous that every piece of material released for anything has to be scrutinized.

I’m 100% convinced some people are just cynical about stuff simply for the sake of it. It is absolutely a thing to be against stuff or to act like it anyway. I’m sure there’s a word for it.
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Old 08-03-2018, 12:49 AM   #135
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I’m 100% convinced some people are just cynical about stuff simply for the sake of it. It is absolutely a thing to be against stuff or to act like it anyway. I’m sure there’s a word for it.
There's probably a term for it. Like, "Fool us once..."

(just talking about the franchise at large)
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There's probably a term for it. Like, "Fool us once..."

(just talking about the franchise at large)
It’s not about this franchise though. It’s everything. I mean a basic promo pic is making the news.

I check my usual forums for updates and when I saw it was just a picture that was released I honestly thought...oh that’s it? well nothing then.

Now I find it turned into a whole matter and it’s like this turned into a topic? This generic picture with 3 characters that we already know of?
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It’s not about this franchise though. It’s everything. I mean a basic promo pic is making the news.

I check my usual forums for updates and when I saw it was just a picture that was released I honestly thought...oh that’s it? well nothing then.

Now I find it turned into a whole matter and it’s like this turned into a topic? This generic picture with 3 characters that we already know of?
What? We only know 1 of the 3 characters. The rest are... well... seem to fit certain... let's call them "archetypes"?
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What? We only know 1 of the 3 characters. The rest are... well... seem to fit certain... let's call them "archetypes"?
No I meant already knew of the actors. Not their specific details. Except Linda of course.

What do mean “archetypes”? That they’re purposely female heroes or something?
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I mostly agree with this; I think the first film is the true classic out of the first two. Even now, I still think it has lots to unpack, thematically speaking. You could probably make some of the same points about Back to the Future.

The second still revolutionized special effects, though. I see it as more of an exercise in successful branding that happens to have an insane degree of nostalgic appeal for lots of people. A prototypical modern "summer movie" that happens to have more depth than the average film of its type.
Sure, Terminator 2 is still a good movie, I'm not denying that. I'm just saying it doesn't make sense as a sequel.

If Sarah raised John to be a soldier in the first movie, that implies it's set in a stable time loop, the photo just clinched it. This means that the mission to destroy Cyberdyne in the second one makes no sense, because we already know they can't change anything.
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Sure, Terminator 2 is still a good movie, I'm not denying that. I'm just saying it doesn't make sense as a sequel.

If Sarah raised John to be a soldier in the first movie, that implies it's set in a stable time loop, the photo just clinched it. This means that the mission to destroy Cyberdyne in the second one makes no sense, because we already know they can't change anything.
I am agree - I like T2: it's a good movie, but it was absolutely unnecessary as a sequel and it's story doesn't really meshes with T1.

Hilariously T3, which I like, sort of "fixes" it.
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