Maybe Wedding Bells and Bytes is the finale, not Turtles Forever!

Leonardo_Warrior_Turtle · 08-12-2012, 08:00 PM

My reason? Karai. She attends April and Casey's wedding. In Turtles Forever, she frees her father from the ice to help enact his revenge on the Turtles, with whom she made as her mortal enemies following this exile by the Utroms at the end of season 3. At the end of Turtles Forever, she helps the various Turtles defeat Ch'rell once and for all. Maybe then she finally ended her hatred of the Turtles, thus being okay to go the wedding. Your thoughts?

*Xav* · 08-12-2012, 08:07 PM

Well there is the fact the all the Turtles Forever episodes are numbered after Wedding Bells and Bytes, the Cyber Foot are serving Ch'rell, and Cyber Shredder and Khan are nowhere to be seen, who were destroyed and captured in Wedding Bells and Bytes,.

*CyberCubed* · 08-12-2012, 08:37 PM

Why the hell does this keep getting brought up? Turtles Forever was the finale of the series and took place after BTTS. Even the episode numbering when Turtles Forever was split into 3 parts to air on TV is after BTTS.

*Andrew NDB* · 08-12-2012, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Leonardo_Warrior_Turtle

My reason? Karai. She attends April and Casey's wedding. In Turtles Forever, she frees her father from the ice to help enact his revenge on the Turtles, with whom she made as her mortal enemies following this exile by the Utroms at the end of season 3. At the end of Turtles Forever, she helps the various Turtles defeat Ch'rell once and for all. Maybe then she finally ended her hatred of the Turtles, thus being okay to go the wedding. Your thoughts?

I think it's funny that you provide proof positive of how things are, in fact, the opposite of what you're trying to pose.

*ToTheNines* · 08-12-2012, 09:12 PM

No offense, but this is mega retarded.

First of all, Splinter didn't reform until the first scene of Wedding Bells and Bytes. Plus Serling was at the wedding.

*Icebot* · 08-13-2012, 02:59 AM

Also, the lair was destroyed in Turtles Forever, it was still there in Wedding Bells and Bytes.

Leonardo_Warrior_Turtle · 08-16-2012, 12:17 PM

Okay, so all of you made valid points that I overlooked. I'm just now rewatching the entire series from start to finish in the first time in a long time. So, clearly this is just a plot hole but still makes me wonder why Karai would attend the wedding of the friends of her hated enemies.

JH24 · 08-16-2012, 12:43 PM

It is pretty strange to be honest. Although in some way, it isn't. Karai wouldn't have been invited to the wedding if the turtles and herself were still at odds with each other. The turtles probably forgave her for what she had done, and Karai was finally able to let go of her hatred towards them.

But that doesn't mean she would have to let go of her loyalty towards her father as well. In Turtles Forever, those feelings were probably separated in her mind. No bad feelings toward the turtles, but still willing to bring back her father if the opportunity presented itself.

In a way, the events in Turtles Forever allowed Karai to see how evil Shredder truly is, perhaps even finally waking her up towards the truth. She saved the turtle's lives, and maybe now she can let go of her father.

But yeah, it is kind of weird, that after becoming close enough to the turtles to be invited for the wedding of Casey and April, she would betray them like that by freeing and aiding the Shredder.

TurtleFan2012 · 08-16-2012, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by JH24

It is pretty strange to be honest. Although in some way, it isn't. Karai wouldn't have been invited to the wedding if the turtles and herself were still at odds with each other. The turtles probably forgave her for what she had done, and Karai was finally able to let go of her hatred towards them.

But that doesn't mean she would have to let go of her loyalty towards her father as well. In Turtles Forever, those feelings were probably separated in her mind. No bad feelings toward the turtles, but still willing to bring back her father if the opportunity presented itself.

In a way, the events in Turtles Forever allowed Karai to see how evil Shredder truly is, perhaps even finally waking her up towards the truth. She saved the turtle's lives, and maybe now she can let go of her father.

But yeah, it is kind of weird, that after becoming close enough to the turtles to be invited for the wedding of Casey and April, she would betray them like that by freeing and aiding the Shredder.

I'm surprised no one brought this up......
How come Karai didn't say anything when Cyber Shredder showed up at the wedding? Okay, some guy who sounds and acts like your father shows up out of the blue and you say nothing to him?!?

Edit - Wait....maybe she knew Cyber Shredder was a fake.

JH24 · 08-16-2012, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by TurtleFan2012

I'm surprised no one brought this up......
How come Karai didn't say anything when Cyber Shredder showed up at the wedding? Okay, some guy who sounds and acts like your father shows up out of the blue and you say nothing to him?!?

Edit - Wait....maybe she knew Cyber Shredder was a fake.

Good point. Yeah, probably one of those things that got lost in the episode because they had to rush through it. I was already not happy with Cyber Shredder appearing, but at the least they could have made it a two-parter or something.

But I agree as well that Karai probably assumed this Cyber Shredder was a fake. It does make me wonder if Karai was still in charge of the Foot, or if Khan was leading a Foot faction that had separated from them. I can't remember if that was ever mentioned.

*Candy Kappa* · 08-16-2012, 03:41 PM

Karai could be there as a diplomat of the Foot, making a truce

08-22-2012, 08:08 PM

Episode index has been updated with three more posts from Laird's blog! And, boy, is it a doozie! The banned episode, "Nightmares Recycled" unveiled (in fragments) at last!

08-12-2012, 08:00 PM	#1
Leonardo_Warrior_Turtle Stone Warrior Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 858	Maybe Wedding Bells and Bytes is the finale, not Turtles Forever! My reason? Karai. She attends April and Casey's wedding. In Turtles Forever, she frees her father from the ice to help enact his revenge on the Turtles, with whom she made as her mortal enemies following this exile by the Utroms at the end of season 3. At the end of Turtles Forever, she helps the various Turtles defeat Ch'rell once and for all. Maybe then she finally ended her hatred of the Turtles, thus being okay to go the wedding. Your thoughts? __________________ Last edited by Leonardo_Warrior_Turtle; 08-12-2012 at 08:09 PM.

08-12-2012, 08:07 PM	#2
Xav Foot Elite Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 2,976	Well there is the fact the all the Turtles Forever episodes are numbered after Wedding Bells and Bytes, the Cyber Foot are serving Ch'rell, and Cyber Shredder and Khan are nowhere to be seen, who were destroyed and captured in Wedding Bells and Bytes,. Last edited by Xav; 08-12-2012 at 08:12 PM.

08-16-2012, 12:17 PM	#7
Leonardo_Warrior_Turtle Stone Warrior Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 858	Okay, so all of you made valid points that I overlooked. I'm just now rewatching the entire series from start to finish in the first time in a long time. So, clearly this is just a plot hole but still makes me wonder why Karai would attend the wedding of the friends of her hated enemies. __________________

08-16-2012, 12:43 PM	#8
JH24 Hench Mutant Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 470	It is pretty strange to be honest. Although in some way, it isn't. Karai wouldn't have been invited to the wedding if the turtles and herself were still at odds with each other. The turtles probably forgave her for what she had done, and Karai was finally able to let go of her hatred towards them. But that doesn't mean she would have to let go of her loyalty towards her father as well. In Turtles Forever, those feelings were probably separated in her mind. No bad feelings toward the turtles, but still willing to bring back her father if the opportunity presented itself. In a way, the events in Turtles Forever allowed Karai to see how evil Shredder truly is, perhaps even finally waking her up towards the truth. She saved the turtle's lives, and maybe now she can let go of her father. But yeah, it is kind of weird, that after becoming close enough to the turtles to be invited for the wedding of Casey and April, she would betray them like that by freeing and aiding the Shredder. Last edited by JH24; 08-16-2012 at 12:58 PM.

08-16-2012, 03:41 PM	#11
Candy Kappa The Agenda of Existing Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Vikingland Posts: 14,596	Karai could be there as a diplomat of the Foot, making a truce __________________ devianArt Instagram Youtube Tumblr Art Blog Patreon

08-12-2012, 08:37 PM	#3
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 41,031	Why the hell does this keep getting brought up? Turtles Forever was the finale of the series and took place after BTTS. Even the episode numbering when Turtles Forever was split into 3 parts to air on TV is after BTTS.

08-12-2012, 09:12 PM	#5
ToTheNines [sic] Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 15,098	No offense, but this is mega retarded. First of all, Splinter didn't reform until the first scene of Wedding Bells and Bytes. Plus Serling was at the wedding.

08-13-2012, 02:59 AM	#6
Icebot Foot Elite Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: East Coast, US Posts: 3,191	Also, the lair was destroyed in Turtles Forever, it was still there in Wedding Bells and Bytes.

08-22-2012, 08:08 PM	#12
blotertom Guest Posts: n/a	wowhoo!!! Episode index has been updated with three more posts from Laird's blog! And, boy, is it a doozie! The banned episode, "Nightmares Recycled" unveiled (in fragments) at last!