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Old 03-27-2020, 07:48 PM   #141
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How about taking shower when at home?
I guess you missed the part where I said "esp for those for who it isn't realistic to be washing it every day." I'm not some person with short, thin, quick drying hair that's no big deal to do it every damn day and who don't care about making it bad with overdoing the amount of washing.

The stupid trope of "I can't, I have to wash my hair" because it takes too much time commitment is unfortunately very true, esp outside of summer.
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Old 03-27-2020, 08:12 PM   #142
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So apparently the government has threatened to invalidate the license of networks airing a commercial critical of the federal response to the outbreak.

https://www.politicususa.com/2020/03...criticism.html

Make sure someone keeps an eye on this. Looks like we're going to get a far more authoritarian government out of this than we expected.

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The fact that it worse affects older people is not a good thing. Surely we should be doing everything we can to protect the older generation from this not breathing a sigh of relief and shrugging our shoulders and think "ah well they had a good innings".

Also younger people can die from this even healthy ones without pre-existing conditions and while cases vary with some mild they can get extreme symptoms too. It doesn't sound like the kind of virus you'd want to have just to get it over with. It can make living hellish for a long time.
This is something everyone needs to remember. There is no bright side to this. If you're sitting around thinking about how a 1% death rate isn't so bad, or that it's only old people, try this: name the people close to you that you'd like to offer up as sacrifice. Speak their names aloud into the world. Make it real. Make it public. Say, "I want (name) to die."

In addition, it looks like recovery runs the chance of life long disability. It may be the dead who are the lucky ones, if the young have to go another few decades struggling for every breath.

This whole "be optimistic" talking point is BS. Be realistic. Take care of yourself and others.
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Old 03-27-2020, 10:11 PM   #143
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In addition, it looks like recovery runs the chance of life long disability. It may be the dead who are the lucky ones, if the young have to go another few decades struggling for every breath.
Not to mention if another strain of this or something else bad comes around later... Are survivors who are left with lung damage from this going to survive that next one? It could mutate another strain and take a second harder shot at some of the people who already dealt with this one.
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I've heard reports of deaths and recoveries, has anyone heard of recoveries with permanent damage like they said? Like for example, it seems Tom Hanks and his wife recovered, did they get stuck with permanent damage,?
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has anyone heard of recoveries with permanent damage like they said?
No, not here in Italy. A lot of fake news are spreading faster than the virus.
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Old 03-28-2020, 12:24 AM   #146
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I've heard reports of deaths and recoveries, has anyone heard of recoveries with permanent damage like they said? Like for example, it seems Tom Hanks and his wife recovered, did they get stuck with permanent damage,?
Kurzgesagt made a pretty good video about the general effects of the coronavirus.

The problem we face right now is that the disease is too new to form a definite prognosis. There's news from Hong Kong that it can reduce lung function by 20%-30% in recovered patients.

National Geographic reports the same thing.

The point is: some of us may get lucky and experience mild, tolerable symptoms. Some of us may get a critical case and require intensive care. Some of us may live the rest of our lives scarred by the virus.

DO NOT sit on this. DO NOT listen to people claiming this is "fake news". Anyone who says it has lost all credibility, and we'd be foolish to follow them. Following them has lead us to this very situation.

What's certain is that this is an unknown disease with unknown capabilities. It spreads fast and could have devastating effects for anyone who contracts it. Even if you are healthy and feel like you can survive it, that doesn't mean you can't pass it on to someone who won't.

BE CAREFUL.
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Can attest to a friend of a friend my age (38 ) dying in the Seattle area for coronavirus. They gave him two different experimental treatments, intubated him and put him in a forced coma and he died last night.
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Which brings up another point:

This is going to be expensive. We do not have access to affordable medical care in the United States. People are going to need help.

People are going to need some help from time to time. Laugh and roll your eyes at me all you want, but I cannot stress this enough:

THIS IS WHY WE NEED SOCIAL PROGRAMS. VOTE FOR SOCIAL SAFETY NETS.

There will be medical bills and funerals to contend with during and after this crisis. Some families are going to lose income earners. People will be put on the streets.

DON'T LET PEOPLE SPIN THIS. Demonize the needs of the working class and this is what we get. Widespread hunger and poverty in the United States.

If you can, please find a charity that you're comfortable with and donate. And remember that anyone who says that social programs and charity are for the lazy and "moochers" have been proven wrong beyond a shadow of a doubt.
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Canada is still below 5k. You’ve passed 100k. Again, your population is only 10x ours.

As ****** as it is to pay more in taxes, I’m glad to know we’ll be getting 2k a month in help, for the forseable future. I’m happy to know, we’ve got a good handle on our situation.

Perhaps it’s time to rethink your views on ‘me and mine’.
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Canada is still below 5k. You’ve passed 100k. Again, your population is only 10x ours.
15k cases in the U.K. (although I suspect it’s at least five times this due to the nature of our testing) and 759 deaths. Our population is five times smaller than the US. If our death rate looks higher than other countries, see my previous comment, testing has been more against more likely sufferers. The number of deaths against population total is a bit better judge of response, treatment and how “well” it’s being countered. And I have this horrible feeling the US numbers are going to explode from this point...
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1% death rate isn't so bad,
Just to be clear for everyone this virus is not a 1% death rate. It is usually between 4-7% depending on the country. Of all confirmed cases world wide this virus shows a 17% mortality rate!!! To put this in perspective the swine flu had a .2% mortality rate.

I am not going off on you Voltron and I am not trying to incite an argument. I am just making sure everyone knows the severity of the virus and the situation. I am tired of people brushing the virus and situation off, even claiming it to be overblown. I mostly see this on Facebook. I know some foolish people unfortunately
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Just to be clear for everyone this virus is not a 1% death rate. It is usually between 4-7% depending on the country. Of all confirmed cases world wide this virus shows a 17% mortality rate!!! To put this in perspective the swine flu had a .2% mortality rate.

I am not going off on you Voltron and I am not trying to incite an argument. I am just making sure everyone knows the severity of the virus and the situation. I am tired of people brushing the virus and situation off, even claiming it to be overblown. I mostly see this on Facebook. I know some foolish people unfortunately

No worries. Thanks for pointing that out.

The numbers I've been seeing are all over the place. I chose a lower one to emphasize the lack of concern some people are showing. It's also one that I heard most recently.

Hopefully your friends aren't listening to the POTUS, whose misinformation has already lead to deaths.
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No worries. Thanks for pointing that out.

The numbers I've been seeing are all over the place. I chose a lower one to emphasize the lack of concern some people are showing. It's also one that I heard most recently.

Hopefully your friends aren't listening to the POTUS, whose misinformation has already lead to deaths.
Yeah I hear you, its super hard to get an exact number due to lack of testing and the fact that I am betting China lied about their numbers. No way a country that densely populated does not have numbers like that, especially considering how unknown it was at the time.

Unfortunately some of them are.....

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No, this has nothing to do with that. And nothing to do with socialist agendas. Stop making it about that. No one is not being treated.
Andrew there are tons of people not being treated!!!! People are being turned away from hospitals and testing stations bc of the overwhelming numbers! There are not enough ventilators so doctors have to choose who lives and who dies!!! This is happening not just in our country but many countries!!!

Also please stop substituting "Socialism" for "Social Welfare" they are two completely different things.
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Yeah I hear you, its super hard to get an exact number due to lack of testing and the fact that I am betting China lied about their numbers. No way a country that densely populated does not have numbers like that, especially considering how unknown it was at the time.

Unfortunately some of them are.....



Andrew there are tons of people not being treated!!!! People are being turned away from hospitals and testing stations bc of the overwhelming numbers! There are not enough ventilators so doctors have to choose who lives and who dies!!!
Same guy who thought it was just a flu. Same guy who thinks its being weaponized to tank the economy.

Same guy who argued it should be called the Chinese virus.

I mean, Maybe he’s not even him, could be Trump is secretly a huge turtles fan.
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The lack of ventilators is a VERY real thing. But this has nothing -- 0 -- to do with what healthcare you're carrying around. It's simply a lack of ventilators.
Andrew I literally said nothing about our healthcare system. I was just pointing out the fact that people are being turned away from treatment and testing. That is happening not just in this country, but many countries. It doesn't matter what healthcare system a country has this virus is still going to overwhelm us bc our lack vaccination, immunity and its naturally high morbidity rate.

I think the others are just pointing out the fact that other countries with strong social welfare programs are helping their citizens more in terms of financial stability and quality of life. It is also helping their economy. If you notice the two economies that have taken the worse hit are China and US. No other economies are free falling nearly as fast.
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Andrew I literally said nothing about our healthcare system. I was just pointing out the fact that people are being turned away from treatment and testing. That is happening not just in this country, but many countries. It doesn't matter what healthcare system a country has this virus is still going to overwhelm us bc our lack vaccination, immunity and its naturally high morbidity rate.

I think the others are just pointing out the fact that other countries with strong social welfare programs are helping their citizens more in terms of financial stability and quality of life. It is also helping their economy. If you notice the two economies that have taken the worse hit are China and US. No other economies are free falling nearly as fast.
I don't understand the point. If we had the Cuba model or whatever, suddenly there would be ventilators for all? Based on what? Why would there have been more construction/building?
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No, this has nothing to do with that. And nothing to do with socialist agendas. Stop making it about that. No one is not being treated.
Except this guy. https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/policy/healthcare/489957-teen-who-may-have-died-of-coronavirus-was-turned-away-from-urgent-care-due%3famp

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As a dual citizen who has lived all her life in Canada, I can't say we are doing perfectly here in addressing the virus. But I am supremely grateful for our socialized healthcare, which has not turned our country into some sort of Orwellian totalitarian regime. Also apparently people who have lost their jobs will get $2000 per month, which in my opinion people on disability and welfare here should have already been receiving because it is (closer) to a living wage.

The way this virus spreads and is from country to country is political. The way people and economies (which require people) manage it is political. Millions of Americans are being sentenced to death if Trump prioritizes the economy right now.

Anyway, hope everyone is staying healthy.
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I have been trying to type out a response but actually I'll second that reminder.
Everyone is being affected by this and we don't know how long it will continue or how much more impact is to come around us and or directly, can we not keep the thread where we can talk about it? It would also save it going into the other threads instead.

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I think the others are just pointing out the fact that other countries with strong social welfare programs are helping their citizens more in terms of financial stability and quality of life. It is also helping their economy. If you notice the two economies that have taken the worse hit are China and US. No other economies are free falling nearly as fast.
Bingo.

Here's the deal: Rooish makes an excellent point about this being a political issue. The rule is that politics are not allowed on the board, but try as I might there are certain members who won't stop starting political topics.

Unfortunately, that opens Pandora's Box. I really don't want that to be the case, but there's little helping it.

I'm just asking that the discussion at least remain productive and based upon general debate rules. Making strawman arguments about Cuban socialist models and other nonsense that has no bearing on the conversation will not be welcomed or tolerated. If you're unsure about what's being discussed, ask for clarification.
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