How do you prefer Shredder's brother?

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 04-22-2017, 09:55 AM

Again, how do you prefer Shredder's brother?

*Tetsu Deinonychus* · 04-22-2017, 09:56 AM

Oroku Nagi. He was part of such a stunning origin story, and I like the idea that Shredder is out for revenge too.

*neatoman* · 04-22-2017, 10:42 AM

Nagi of course

*MsMarvelDuckie* · 04-22-2017, 11:25 AM

Oddly enough, I like Kazuo because it makes for such an interesting contrast. Nagi- as much as I can tell- is just more of the same as with Saki. In that origin, he was the jealous rival that raped and killed Tang Shen, thus precipitating Yoshi's retaliation- which was well-deserved. I have to wonder what Saki's rationalization for his own BROTHER'S behavior was that necessitated taking revenge on Yoshi for seeking justice when Nagi was CLEARLY in the wrong. Japanese culture is all about family honor, and Nagi would have certainly dishonored his own family by his actions, so Yoshi's revenge was justified and even the Oroku family should have been okay with that. So Saki wanting to avenge him- when he himself was so much younger and knew so little of the circumstances when it happened but woyld have been told and understood it later when he got older- was both pointless and would have been seen as further dishonor to his family. Yoshi's killing of Nagi would be considered an honor-killing. Saki killing Yoshi was not. (Especially since his brother being a rapist and murderer was already a stain on the family!)

Kazuo on the other hand makes an interesting foil for the evil of Saki. In that version Saki (and apparently his mother) is a bad seed in the family, and it makes the Oroku family moke interesting. I also like the IDW veesion, and Nick as well to an extent, for having the Oroku and Hamato families tied directing through being adopted brothers or part of the same clan growing up together. That makes sense for a ninja clan.

I have a head-canon where the three origins combine a la 2k3 where Saki not only framed Yoshi like in OT but also killed Shen out of jealousy and also turned on the Foot clan leader and took over, ousting Yoshi in the process. Kazuo became a cop to bring his criminal brother to justice and restore his family's honor.

*Candy Kappa* · 04-22-2017, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

In that origin, he was the jealous rival that raped and killed Tang Shen.

Ummm... been a while since you've read #1?

*neatoman* · 04-22-2017, 02:38 PM

... I guess the rape is implied but it's never flat out said, I'm pretty sure it just says he beat her up, so even that is kind of wrong.

*MsMarvelDuckie* · 04-22-2017, 10:32 PM

Actually never read the first issue- just going by what others have stated about the origin. But given his apparent obsession according to canon, I'd say that even if only implied it makes little difference. As neatoman said beating her to death is still a dispicable act in itself- and dishonorable to attack and kill a helpless woman who is already spoken for, regardless. So- yeah.....

Cryomancer · 04-22-2017, 10:52 PM

........dead.

*Candy Kappa* · 04-22-2017, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

Actually never read the first issue- just going by what others have stated about the origin. But given his apparent obsession according to canon, I'd say that even if only implied it makes little difference. As neatoman said beating her to death is still a dispicable act in itself- and dishonorable to attack and kill a helpless woman who is already spoken for, regardless. So- yeah.....

Neatoman didn't write that Nagi beat Shen to death... Yoshi killed Nagi before he could kill Shen.

The Oroku family (and Shen's iirc) blamed Yoshi for what happened since the pair fled Japan after Yoshi had slain Nagi leaving little to no explanation, and killing another member of the Foot seems to be punishable by Seppukku which Yoshi avoids by fleeing to America.

*Utrommaniac* · 04-23-2017, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

Kazuo on the other hand makes an interesting foil for the evil of Saki. In that version Saki (and apparently his mother) is a bad seed in the family, and it makes the Oroku family moke interesting. I also like the IDW version, and Nick as well to an extent, for having the Oroku and Hamato families tied directing through being adopted brothers or part of the same clan growing up together. That makes sense for a ninja clan.

I have a head-canon where the three origins combine a la 2k3 where Saki not only framed Yoshi like in OT but also killed Shen out of jealousy and also turned on the Foot clan leader and took over, ousting Yoshi in the process. Kazuo became a cop to bring his criminal brother to justice and restore his family's honor.

I prefer this as well. Plus, the fact that Kazuo is a "modern man", where Saki is more "traditional", but they still have areas where their lines blur - such as their beliefs in honor, though they might not always agree.

*pferreira* · 04-27-2017, 12:58 PM

Kazuo because the contrast between how both brothers lived their lives is very well done. It goes to show the life Oroku could have had if his live had turned into the same path his brother had (no Shredder). The fact that his brother coming from the Saki bloodline didn't follow the family route to crime is interesting to me even if it makes him an outcast to his family.

*Andrew NDB* · 04-27-2017, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by neatoman

... I guess the rape is implied but it's never flat out said, I'm pretty sure it just says he beat her up, so even that is kind of wrong.

Both Peter and Kevin have separately said that there was no rape. None.

View Poll Results: How do you prefer Shredder's brother?
Oroku Nagi (Tang Shen involvment)	8	44.44%
Kazuo Saki (Tokyo policeman)	5	27.78%
Hamato Yoshi as Oroku Saki's adoptive brother	3	16.67%
having at least two brothers in the same universe	2	11.11%
Voters: 18. You may not vote on this poll

04-22-2017, 09:56 AM	#2
Tetsu Deinonychus The Iron Dinosaur Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Studio Snowlion HQ Posts: 3,021	Oroku Nagi. He was part of such a stunning origin story, and I like the idea that Shredder is out for revenge too. __________________ (Image hosting by Postimage.org) And here's a list of all my old wacky threads!

04-22-2017, 11:25 AM	#4
MsMarvelDuckie I Married a Duck! Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: The bowels of Hell, Texas(otherwise known as Decatur) Posts: 8,772	Oddly enough, I like Kazuo because it makes for such an interesting contrast. Nagi- as much as I can tell- is just more of the same as with Saki. In that origin, he was the jealous rival that raped and killed Tang Shen, thus precipitating Yoshi's retaliation- which was well-deserved. I have to wonder what Saki's rationalization for his own BROTHER'S behavior was that necessitated taking revenge on Yoshi for seeking justice when Nagi was CLEARLY in the wrong. Japanese culture is all about family honor, and Nagi would have certainly dishonored his own family by his actions, so Yoshi's revenge was justified and even the Oroku family should have been okay with that. So Saki wanting to avenge him- when he himself was so much younger and knew so little of the circumstances when it happened but woyld have been told and understood it later when he got older- was both pointless and would have been seen as further dishonor to his family. Yoshi's killing of Nagi would be considered an honor-killing. Saki killing Yoshi was not. (Especially since his brother being a rapist and murderer was already a stain on the family!) Kazuo on the other hand makes an interesting foil for the evil of Saki. In that version Saki (and apparently his mother) is a bad seed in the family, and it makes the Oroku family moke interesting. I also like the IDW veesion, and Nick as well to an extent, for having the Oroku and Hamato families tied directing through being adopted brothers or part of the same clan growing up together. That makes sense for a ninja clan. I have a head-canon where the three origins combine a la 2k3 where Saki not only framed Yoshi like in OT but also killed Shen out of jealousy and also turned on the Foot clan leader and took over, ousting Yoshi in the process. Kazuo became a cop to bring his criminal brother to justice and restore his family's honor. __________________ "You IDIOTS! You've captured their STUNT doubles!" -from "Spaceballs" "Where Science ends, magic begins." -Spiral, Uncanny X-Men #491 My various stories and fan-fics are now here- https://m.fanfiction.net/u/4770494/#end

04-22-2017, 10:32 PM	#7
MsMarvelDuckie I Married a Duck! Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: The bowels of Hell, Texas(otherwise known as Decatur) Posts: 8,772	Actually never read the first issue- just going by what others have stated about the origin. But given his apparent obsession according to canon, I'd say that even if only implied it makes little difference. As neatoman said beating her to death is still a dispicable act in itself- and dishonorable to attack and kill a helpless woman who is already spoken for, regardless. So- yeah..... __________________ "You IDIOTS! You've captured their STUNT doubles!" -from "Spaceballs" "Where Science ends, magic begins." -Spiral, Uncanny X-Men #491 My various stories and fan-fics are now here- https://m.fanfiction.net/u/4770494/#end

04-22-2017, 10:52 PM	#8
Cryomancer Mad Scientist Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 1,090	........dead. __________________ Final Boss of translation group Opentrain. We do videogame comics and TMNT stuff. http://opentrain.theyear199x.org/

04-22-2017, 09:55 AM	#1
Original TMNT Cartoon Fan Overlord Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 10,155	How do you prefer Shredder's brother? Again, how do you prefer Shredder's brother?

04-27-2017, 12:58 PM	#11
pferreira Foot Elite Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 2,514	Kazuo because the contrast between how both brothers lived their lives is very well done. It goes to show the life Oroku could have had if his live had turned into the same path his brother had (no Shredder). The fact that his brother coming from the Saki bloodline didn't follow the family route to crime is interesting to me even if it makes him an outcast to his family.